[anaimperial]

does anyone know how to pass a hair folicle drug test? same day.

[Lara]

Is this a trick question?

How about not using drugs for 90 days in anticipation of the next test?

[DiMarie]

Originally Posted by anaimperial

does anyone know how to pass a hair folicle drug test? same day.

If you are not joking, then the information is you can not pass one. The drug information goes back the life of your hair.....Unless you shave your body and then you can kiss medications goodbye for the failure to comply.

In my law enforcement background I never used it, but I have see it ordered by judges. I am a caseworker now and have clients that have been ordered to comply.

[Bobbi]

First, I want to state: I don't use illicit drugs (only medications for pain and OTC medications my physicians have on-file as having suggested I take)...

My question is: What if a patient is not using illegal drugs, such as marijuana, but someone else does and has no respect for others whom have said things such as: "Don't do it around me"? But, the person is so self-centered that the person tokes away anyway, all-the-while knowing others are being tested for the presence of THC. Don't the folices retain residue for over 6 months?

I went to my doc and, before labs were ordered, I had to explain to her that someone did just that... lit up and toked away though the person was told not to do it; since she knows me, she understood. Like it mattered that anyone told the person of the possible chaos it could create for others. And, I was not the only person whom told the one lighting up, "Don't do it." (I'm not passing judgement, only saying, for those of us who are randomly tested - within the terms of our care to make sure it's not discriminatory toward folks whom have had substance issues - and who do not make use of marijuana, it comprises our care. That is something that was made patently clear to the person as well.)

Some, I gotta say, only care about oneself. To heck with what may result for others .

The crap stinks, and... it also interferes with some prescribed meds. But try to tell that to a pot-head. After all, their responses often differ; it's for their "health" after all. I wonder how they'd feel if they lost their care providers, which is a risk to people around them when they decide to strike up and to heck with everyone else.

Anyway, possibly, the person asking the Q. isn't "using," but may have been exposed... despite efforts to avoid it. Sometimes? Others just don't care about anyone but themselves.

[DiMarie]

Bobbi,
I am not sure what your doc explained, or his testing....(ask if you can read the companies literature, or look up the site) but unless you inhaled and it went into your blood stream the drug testing, test ppm, and it would not show positive. You would have to have a high reading to show. It may show but it would not be a positive test. For example, If I remember they look for 1000 ppm for cocine, under and showing metabolites, it is likely a false positive test.

the follicle testing is done as the hair grows and nourishment from the body feeds it, there is whatever the drug is traveling through the body systems to make hair grow. The length of the hair is how far back, but after awhile I don;t think it is reliable. It is reliable for many months though.

If anyone has a positive test, there are legit false positives as the test I have seen use, test or metabolites of drugs, not the single drug itself. When a recent drug test was taken for medical, the doctor had to note that recent dental work was done. This helped as when it came back for metabolites for Cocaine present, the scientist could then retest with the knowledge not to bias him, to look for cocaine. The second test concluded it was not cocaine.

The anesthesia that was used for root canal had left it in the body.
be up front about all meds, even the over the counter ones. I have seen test that people using seraquol had a positive but low ppm for metabolites of cocaine.

Thesetest are not 100%. Always immediately retest, make sure it is not a inexpensive test....make sure it is a GOOD one. It is not fair to people in pain for a doctors office to use a dip test and show only metabolites that will risk whether they are labeled drug seekers. A scientific lab will be the best bet, as the retest will always break down.

One thing too, these test are sensitive enough to pick up codine in cough syrup, let them know so they can test the PPL to rule out illegal drugs. Also the cold remedies and cough with alcohol in it, like Nyqual, will test positive for alcohol for those that are test like CDL drivers or employment test.
Recently they had 33 new hires at a place I am familiar with; 28 failed the drug test for hire......
Also., you would have to eat a ton of poppy seed bagels to get a high ppm to establish drugs. That is why our Juv probation department switched to scientific testing to avoid a good defense attorney stating that argument. You can get false positives on cheap test from what I heard in the argument. OR the argument was raised and cast resonable doubt.

In a date book, any med from another doctor, keep a list, name and dose. refer to it when asked for a drug test...if you take over the counter at that time mention it, if dental work, mention that. Even if you take health food stuff...
Most test are fine for folks, just routine.
Pee adn send to lab, and OK. as long as the doctor has a list of EVERY med you take, took, even if someone gave you a vailum, they last long in the system.
Di

[Bobbi]

Wow! Great info. you've related, Di... I thank you sooo, sooo much! .

Though I've never tested positive (accurate-positive or false-positive) for anything other than what my docs Rx - and I do make sure that they cross-reference each other in the event that one might, somehow, make a slippage, I've some friends who also don't "use" but... being exposed to some, they ended up testing positive for stuff they said they've never used.

Maybe... high concentration of some things? latch on and linger?

After reading all the paperwork, and agreeing with the terms of my care, I was so fearful I'd lose my treatment providers after being exposed to weed that I discussed it with my doc before labs were even ordered. She knows: I already had to "work through" my own issue with taking Rx'd meds. Be darn'd if I am going to injest something for the heck of it.

I wish that one doc could just Rx all my meds. Because one cannot, I do make sure they "cc" each other on reports, lab results, etc.

No matter, though... excellent info. you've shared, Di.

I hope to avoid people in the future who determine they really could care less of how their choices can effect others' health care.


P.S.: In the terms of the "contract" I signed with one of my docs, it asks whether a patient either directly or indirectly uses, i.e., marijuana - for medicinal or recreational use. The doc doesn't ask to form a bias or base treatment on how one answers, but is very up-front about needing to know. When "trace" shows in lab results, therein, lies the prob. after affirming "no" to the questions.

I just know, I'd not do anything to ever put someone else's treatment at risk and possibly create a huge source of conflict.

[kimmydawn]

This is really good information to know and for others to know when dealing with pain management.

My dr's office will test randomly, though not often. I think I've had two in 3 yrs. When they did the last one and she asked me ANYTHING I'd taken, she even wrote down motrin. That made me curious.

I asked if they do this often and if they're just checking for drug abuse, etc. She said, not only do they look for elicit drugs, they also check for levels in prescribed meds from there to make sure they are being taken as prescribed...especially if the person gets them filled regularly. She went on to explain that it's sad, but many will sell their meds and not take them themselves and the tests help them to find those cases. She said it's all part of abuse. Those that do abuse couldn't if so many weren't selling. My neurologists office works hard in the fight against drug abuse, so I thought that was pretty cool.

They've explained that I tell no one but hubby about my medicine (though it's not strong, it's attractive "out there"), and that I keep it hidden. They tell all patients that.

Thought it was pretty cool that they care so much.

This is just personal experience. I'm not getting into the right or wrong of things...just my experience with pain management.

KD

[Lara]

It is helpful information and thanks very much for that!
I hope my first reply didn't seem flippant. It reads a bit that way now, but at the time I wasn't meaning to be flippant. I was quite serious. I just wasn't aware that it would even be possible to remove traces of drugs (including medications) from the hair follicles on the same day as the test.

[kimmydawn]

I didn't read it that way Lara.

I have a friend who used the "special shampoo" the night before her morning test and it worked. She told me it was made by the same company or person who developed a hair follicle test, so...

Whatever is accurate, I know this. She is a daily pot smoker and she passed. Must be good stuff.

Love,

KD

[Lara]

Wow, that's interesting.
Must have some sort of chelation properties in it to draw something out of a hair follicle. I wonder what else it would draw out, like minerals etc..
Thanks KimmyDawn. I honestly never knew that.