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Thelma 09-06-2006 10:55 AM

'doc'

When you take starting this site to that level of handing a man nails when he needed them it makes you sound very kind and caring.

But when you had no contact with the man and you then decided to take the hammer and your nails and build a house across the road almost the same as his what would you expect him to do.

He paid a lot in time and effort to build his house and now because of a shortage of nails you have decided to upsurt him.

Could you have not reached him in some way because as you have said he lives or works, I forget eactly what you said, just down the street from you.

Walk over and ask him personallly.

You didn't ask anyone and that is my problem with all the protestations of caring and concern which to me is a misnomer.

Sorry but that is what you get for talking to me lol

farside 09-06-2006 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Thelma (Post 3521)
'doc'

When you take starting this site to that level of handing a man nails when he needed them it makes you sound very kind and caring.

But when you had no contact with the man and you then decided to take the hammer and your nails and build a house across the road almost the same as his what would you expect him to do.

He paid a lot in time and effort to build his house and now because of a shortage of nails you have decided to upsurt him.

Could you have not reached him in some way because as you have said he lives or works, I forget eactly what you said, just down the street from you.

Walk over and ask him personallly.

You didn't ask anyone and that is my problem with all the protestations of caring and concern which to me is a misnomer.

Sorry but that is what you get for talking to me lol

It was very nice of DocJohn to try to reach John at all. Why are you saying he didn't try hard enough?

I for one appreciate him stepping into the gap to help out all the stranded BTer's. Why are you giving him such a hard time Thelma? You sound suspicious when it should be clear to any and all that he did a REALLY nice thing here, with no ill intent or malice or anything but altruistic motives to help us all. Why does he need to constantly explain himself to you?

He doesn't deserve this constant barrage from you Thelma. He's explained himself over and over again as a result of your accusations and suspicions. This man deserves a medal, not criticisms. He stepped INTO the gap when one became apparent to him. He didn't have to do it, I can't imagine any professional "accolades" that he'll receive for spending his time to do it. I just can't fathom any reason except generosity towards all of us.

Give it a rest please Thelma? He doesn't deserve this constant attack and nitpicking questioning his motives.

He's a good guy, he showed it by his actions. No explanation necessary. As far as I'm concerned we owe him a huge THANK YOU, not to cast his actions under a cloud of suspicion.

clouds z 09-06-2006 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by annie (Post 3449)
actually this would make for an interesting poll. since i was worrying about fragile posters in another thread i suppose i owe an explanation of what i really meant.

physically i am definitely fragile. i am elderly, crippled by a drunk driver for fifty years, and constant falls and my new Deep Vein Thrombosis make daily living pretty scary.

neurologically i am fragile. constant seizures, i never know when i am going to get on the wrong bus or burn the house down. my brain is simply not reliable.

financially i am fragile. the average monthly rent in my low income area for a single room is more than the minimum monthly SSI. fortunately i have a lot of credit, but one large vet bill could make me and the cat homeless.

emotionally? NAAAAAH. i am very tough emotionally. no family but blessed with friends. not at all fragile emotionally.

one out of four ain't bad.



i hate drunk drivers -sorry you got hit

breath test is zero allowed in slovakia
if we lived there we may have normal lives

mountains ,accordian music, and beer but no drunk driving

usa has turned to hell on earth-then again there are lots of nice people who will help- some hope is out there

Thelma 09-06-2006 11:54 AM

Should be obvious by now. Why are you here? Why are any of us here?

And the really important question is why does it matter to anyone?

dorry 09-06-2006 12:17 PM

I get the impression that some ppl are worried that others might just like this forum better. Who cares who goes back to BT or stays here?

With the touted "bazillion" members over there, I seriously doubt awol members will make a dent.

The disks were supposed to arrive yesterday, so it should be 'any day now' :D

This is just the kind of place I've been looking for. Works for me. If it's not your cup of tea, that works for me too.

And I am sick of the inneudos to docjohn's motives AND that we all need "counseling" because we prefer here. LMAO!!

I think it speaks for the fact that many of us are not co-dependent on any website. We're adults and can make choices all by ourselves. Quite a concept.

DocJohn 09-06-2006 12:32 PM

'Thelma,' ummm, I did ask. I even asked our shared colleagues. All I got was silence in response.

indigogo 09-06-2006 12:33 PM

braintalk 1
 
When I click on the BT1 site, the message page is gone - only blank.

Wonder if this means they are working on it?

moose53 09-06-2006 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thelma (Post 3538)
Should be obvious by now. Why are you here? Why are any of us here?

And the really important question is why does it matter to anyone?




It's OK, ((((((Thelma)))))).

I wish "they'd" let you be. But, that's like trying to control someone else's environment -- I learned a long time ago--can't do that...my Daddy actually taught me that you should hang all the coat hangers in the same direction so you could grab your clothes and get out fast in case there was a fire.

Well...it took my neighbors getting burned out to realize that nobody gives a dang about the clothes. We had enough trouble getting a baby, a toddler, a woman with severe MD and a bed-ridden old man out -- nobody gave one hoot about the dang clothes.

Whether you believe it or not, Thelma, SOME OF US recognize the hurt and wish you weren't hurting and wish we could help.

THAT'S why we care. Bless you dear Lady.

Barb http://chocolate-moose.p5.org.uk/MIN...ding-hands.gif

Mizz Piglet 09-06-2006 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by farside (Post 3530)
It was very nice of DocJohn to try to reach John at all. Why are you saying he didn't try hard enough?

I for one appreciate him stepping into the gap to help out all the stranded BTer's. Why are you giving him such a hard time Thelma? You sound suspicious when it should be clear to any and all that he did a REALLY nice thing here, with no ill intent or malice or anything but altruistic motives to help us all. Why does he need to constantly explain himself to you?

He doesn't deserve this constant barrage from you Thelma. He's explained himself over and over again as a result of your accusations and suspicions. This man deserves a medal, not criticisms. He stepped INTO the gap when one became apparent to him. He didn't have to do it, I can't imagine any professional "accolades" that he'll receive for spending his time to do it. I just can't fathom any reason except generosity towards all of us.

Give it a rest please Thelma? He doesn't deserve this constant attack and nitpicking questioning his motives.

He's a good guy, he showed it by his actions. No explanation necessary. As far as I'm concerned we owe him a huge THANK YOU, not to cast his actions under a cloud of suspicion.

I whole heartedly agree with Farside and many others here that have camped out on DocJohn's doorstep. Look at all the postings since BT1 went down. There are more positives than negatives. People need a safe haven to flock to and this is what many have done here on BT2. Thelma, why are you so down on DocJohn? Has he hurt you? He owes you no explanation. Let it go. What efforts have you made to contact JL?
I personally tried and so have others and no responses. What are we to think? Get a grip. I think you owe the Doc an apology. He has let you in his campsite and your still roasting your marshmellows. When and if BT1 returns you can hop right over there. No one is keeping you here. No one is keeping anyone here. The choice is yours.

Curious 09-06-2006 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by indigogo (Post 3557)
When I click on the BT1 site, the message page is gone - only blank.

Wonder if this means they are working on it?

i just checked...got the same message dated 8/24/06

stumps 09-06-2006 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Curious (Post 3585)
i just checked...got the same message dated 8/24/06

I have been getting the blank white screen since early morning UK time, now late evening still the blank screen, so approx 12 hours so far in that state of nothing.

DocJohn 09-06-2006 06:46 PM

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Since BT and John Lester's motives have been attacked repeatedly here, why would it be inappropriate to do the same for this site where at least the people are present to respond?
I'm not sure anyone has "attacked" JL/BT1's *motives* so much as expressing frustration with the lack of communication, reliability, and a *seeming* disregard for the seriousness of the responsibility they have undertaken. Notice I choose my words very carefully, because I don't want to be misunderstood or generalized into "attacking" someone's "motives." I, to this day, believe that JL and BT1 had nothing but the best motives in all the world in running BT1. I just get a feeling (and I may be entirely wrong) that it doesn't take a priority in his life to ensure they're running smoothly. As I've said many times, that's fine. Just be honest with the community, communicate with them regularly, and if possible, find other resources to help you out.

John

Steve 09-06-2006 08:07 PM

I just saw
 
John Lester tonight on the street, walking into a restaurant! I was tempted to ask him what was up, but I didn't want to scare him off. He doesn't know me, but I recognize him from his pictures on the Web.

ZombieSlayer 09-06-2006 08:21 PM

I don't know if there is any truth in this.

Ok is that clear? Hope so ;) :D

I got an email (actually quite a few) from people who were in BrainTalks chat rooms sometime yesterday evening. Chat Moderator #1 came on and said that Mr. Lester plans on having the forums up sometime during the weekend and that the discs did arrive on time.

Again, I don't know if this is true or a rumor....but it's the latest news I've heard.

Posted here since the question was raised.

Bobbi 09-06-2006 08:24 PM

That's clear, ZombieS. - and thank you for sharing what the CM stated :D.

annie 09-07-2006 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unknown (Post 3475)
Hi, Annie,

I assume that when people are talking about "fragile" here, they mean emotionally, since this, or any forum, can't make financially, physically, or neurologically fragility any worse or better..

people on this forum have most certainly made my fragility better.

barabara the moose has several times found important financial resources for me. health care resources, housing. once she found a program for me so that i don't pay anything for my medicare, no premiums. believe me that helped my financial fragility.

liam on the social security disability forum on BT1 answered many questions for me on social security, as he did for anyone who posted there. several people were made homeless over problems with social security. liam has prevented much financial fragility for people applying for social security disability.

in epilepsy we have frequent threads on solving physical problems. usually there is a thread running on how to live around seizures. the two most helpful posters on how to cook without burning the house down are howdydave and david hosobuchi (firehorse) both of whom have had amazing burns caused by cooking during seizures. there is also help on taking showers, driving, many other activities directly impacted by seizures. many posters have helpful information on how to function physically.

in the computer forum here you will find a thread with dorry and zombie slayer helping me to get rid of flash on my new computer. i have photosensitive seizures and flash triggers them. they spent a great deal of time solving my problem. because they have helped me many times in the past to set my computer so that it doesn't trigger so many seizures, i panicked when i got the new computer and braintalk was down, i depend on them for help solving physical problems. don't get much more physical than a computer.

on this forum in another thread curious is offerring me her health club expertise on both exercise for the physically fragile and diet for the hum digestively fragile.

many of the posters in the epilepsy forum take meds and/or have had surgery and/or use a vns. we have many discussions on the pros and cons of these, as well as alternative medicine solutions for our neurological fragility. there is always someone to help a new surgical candidate thru the experience and explain what everything means.

we all also do a lot of educating. sue directly teachs in schools about epilepsy. rocking4epilepsy has an epilepsy awareness organization which helps children and adults. we all talk to people and try to explain epilepsy. we all try to help others with our same neurological fragility, because in this situation knowledge is what makes us less fragile.


Quote:

Originally Posted by unknown (Post 3475)
I expect that lots of people on MS forums are fiancialy, physically and/or neurologically fragile, but I assume the postings issues have to deal with emotionally/psychologically fragile.

in order to solve a problem you must first define it.

i haven't read on the MS forum. but maybe if you looked around on the other forums you would find many people actively solving the problems of financial, physical, and neurological fragility.

and of course my solution for emotional fragility is very obvious: hugs and chocolate.

artist 09-07-2006 01:42 AM

What a lovely message, Annie.

Heart-warming, thank you.

all the best.

indigogo 09-07-2006 09:04 AM

Great!
 
Annie -

Your post is one of the best I've ever read on BrainTalk - old or new!

Cheers to you!

~scrabble 09-07-2006 09:12 AM

Way to go, Annie!

I'm glad you have been able to find so much support and assistance at BT.

Thank you for sharing.


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