As far as I'm concerned, it's done then. I should add that I'm not final say, but I really don't see an issue with it at all.

I agree with you. There are some very complicated threads that go on, and don't always see every aspect/angle of the conversation flow, so a quick "flag" could be really helpful.

Yep, I know you aren't referring to spam or anything. I'll add another thing. I doubt we'll do it when it's the first post in a thread as well...with no responses yet.

Deal?

I'm in!

KD

Deal!

Can't find a handshake icon, so you'll just have to be hugged ;)
all the best :hug:

hugs work for me ;)

i'll post the final word on the new proposed mod/admin action soon! I want you to know exactly what to expect, but more importantly what you can count on to happen. :)

kd

Artist,

Thank you again for the request which is evolving into, what I think, a good solution to thread management and understanding for the readers.

We do have a concern about thread integrity and history...people changing history during a tiff, etc. It was still happening, but in a different form, yes? History was being changed with little to no awareness to the reader.

We don't always see these things and having them pointed out constructively only helps this site be what we all need (for the most part and realistically).

Based on my understanding of your request, and the need for thread integrity and history, it's been agreed that future mod/admin procedure when removing an entire post from an active thread, will include:

Leaving the frame of the post needing deleted in its entirety (time, username, etc.) and leaving a note stating either 1) This post has been removed per guidelines; or 2) This post has been removed at the request of the poster.

This way anyone reading will know why a thread has potentially changed direction, understand the following post appearing to "come from nowhere", etc.

When we make a simple edit without taking the entire body, there will still just be the edit remark in the bottom of the post.

The one time we won't do this practice is if the post is the first post in a new thread and there have yet to be responses. In that case we'll just move the entire thread if inappropriate.

It's not often that we remove an entire post. We usually try to edit, after first asking the poster to *if they're online*. However, the times we do remove the entire body is usually when editing would completely change the context, it would leave it chopped up or confusing to read, or there's really nothing there to leave that is within guidelines. Again, in this instance, we'll leave a *note*.

I hope that helps with understanding threads and knowing what you're reading is accurate historically.

With respect,

KD

Many thanks to all the NT admin for your understanding in this matter, I am most grateful for your perception and for giving thought to finding a working solution so quickly.

I believe your solution will go a very long way to giving both transparency to mod actions and history (yes, good word, exactly so) to overall threads. This in turn will give a much clearer understanding of threads when post removals are made.

I applaud you for, as ever, listening well.

We are lucky to have all of you working with us and for the betterment of the NT forums.

Thanks a bunch :Tip-Hat:

all the best!

(((Artist))) Aren't these guys the best?

I read with interest and agree with you. It's confusing when a post is edited. I was wondering if we, ourselves, can delete our own posts, but I don't think so?

I remember a couple of times myself editing my own posts which completely threw people off later on in the thread. You can get confused as to what everyone is talking about after an original thread has been altered.

I like the idea of the powers-that-be leaving a reason for an edit or removal of a post.

Only problem is when we ourselves edit our posts and throw the rest of the thread off, but it happens!

Thanks for bringing it up.

Again, Doc John and the mods here are so awesome. I knew they wouldn't leave you hanging out there to dry, and I am SO GLAD you aren't leaving. The place just wouldn't be the same!

:hug:

but...it doesn't take MUCH to cornfucious doody!! ;)

cool beans, mods. :cool:

:p :p :p

I know I'm coming in late on this, I've been on vacation! :D
Artist, thanks for bringing this up, and mods, thanks working on a solution. I have, in the past, received an email notification of a post, gone to the thread, and not found the post. The ones I remember from recently, I can well understand why they would have been edited or removed, whether by a mod or the poster, since they were, well, virulent, is about the best word I can come up with. But it definitely made it odd, having received the emailed post that then turns out not to be there. Rather like the poem:
Yesterday upon the stair
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today
Oh how I wish he'd go away.

Having some kind of acknowledgement in the thread will definitely get rid of the problem of the "man who wasn't there."
Hugs,