exactly Doody and this is already happening so we are really asking members to please put a hold on this until we know how we are going to allow it

We certainly want to preserve the posting record and arent in any way trying to stop that from being done...many here have a very looooong history on the old boards and even going through to today's BT and NT and so we are very understanding and supportive of that.

But

there are MANY ramifications from this, from copyright to people's personal wishes over their old posts as well as the problem with so much personal info, like email addys being in those old posts....people arent realising when they copy these posts and paste them here that the personal email addys of others are showing, along with THEIR posts!
That is something we really cant do

anyway

we will wait for Doc to come on when he has investigated this fully and he will give his directive

:)

Shakes head at Doody who is once again sucking up to the admin. :D

Well, I have such mixed emotions about old BT. I logged into the old SOS forum (thanks to someone who posted those urls) and it saddened me because I missed so many people who were apart of our family there..to the best of my knowledge only dear Pter has passed away so there is hope that the others will find us.

I'm pretty sure that trying to copy and paste will just confuse people, unless it's strictly informational, ie: meds, symptoms...etc.

Hi Alfie

I can't see putting any of the medical information or treatments on here from there unless I had far far more medical training than I or anyone else I know does. It would not be ethical and subject to the law where I am sure some sort of charge would lie.

I probably should not have even suggested it but this is really a shadow of BT and it's status as an entity on it's own is a stickey wicket at best.

Stupid i guess............and don't even think senility lol

:D Well...um... :D

Oh no, Thelma, I don't think it's stupid at all!

This is still a board in its infancy, as far as I'm concerned, even though it's almost a year old, or is it a year old now? I can't remember. :rolleyes: It'll take time to build up a strong base.

I know I quote other places often, but always try to remember to give recognition to where it came from.

BT lost me under its current leadership and moderation system. :mad: I'll search the internet high and low to glean information before I ever go back there.

"Well Thelma", she said. "I think I'm older than you are so we won't talk about senility". *grin. I can only speak for me and I honestly do not feel like a shadow of anything.

thomas wolfe was right, you really can't go home again and I frankly, wouldn't want to, having been there and done that.

What I do want to do is offer encouragement, hope and support for anyone who is in need. I want people to know that I honestly give a dam if they are hurting, suicidal, lonely....a cyber hug is better than no hug at all.

And I'm glad you brought it up...TALKING about it is my "thing"! :winky:

A couple of random thoughts...

By default in the U.S., authors own whatever they write unless they have specifically agreed to something that says otherwise (e.g. in a Terms of Service agreement or the like). So while someone may claim a different agreement, unless they can prove you agreed to something other than your retention of ownership of your own words, they are *yours* and yours alone to do with as you please.

Now, in the case of BT, they claim something different, yet the registration when a new user signs up makes no mention of this claim, nor does their TOS (which I couldn't find, since the bottom link to their terms of service is still broken!). So, even though BT claims a Creative Commons license for their work, it's unlikely that it would be found to be legally binding to its members, since its members are never asked to agree to such a license when they signed up to the forums in the first place.

Having said that, the CC license BT is claiming says you can go ahead and copy and redistribute anything you find on their site as long as attribution is given (e.g., "Originally posted to BrainTalk by so-and-so person."), it's for non-commercial use (NT is non-commercial), and you can't alter or build upon the post you're copying (basically, you need to copy it whole).

So, having said that, I'd say that for limited amounts of copying, especially that which is meant to educate or inform other members, I'd say you're welcomed to do so. If it is of another member's work, though, I would definitely get that member's permission first, when possible, since that would just be common courtesy to do so.

John

I'm not in the USA and I don't wish ANY of my posts to be copied randomly on any threads or posts by people without my knowledge and my permission.

INTERNET COPYRIGHT LAW

Copyright law in Australia is administered by the Copyright Law Branch of the Information and Human Rights Division of the of the Attorney-General's Department.Copyright law is set out in the Copyright Act 1968. The law also includes court decisions which have been made since that date which show how the Act can be interpreted and applied in different situations. An organization called the Australian Copyright Council offers information and training which helps to clarify the many different forms of copyright.

In 2001, the Copyright Amendment (Digital Agenda) Act 2000 was passed and this amendment sets out copyright protection regarding material found on the internet. As well as the general Australian Copyright Act 1968 and the more recent amendments made specifically for the internet, there is also a treaty called the Berne Convention which involves over 100 countries from around the world. This treaty allows Australian copyright owners to be protected in most other countries in the world. It also allows protection for authors from other countries to be covered by copyright law in Australia. In 2004, some changes were also made to the Copyright Act with the implementation of the Australia-United States Free Trade Agreement (AUSFTA).

The laws which relate to copyright in Australia are very complex and cover all areas of intellectual property including the internet. Copyright is a type of intellectual property and the law gives exclusive legal right to the individual, or anyone assigned or employed by them, to protect the expression of their ideas including how that information can be copied and also whether or not that material can be distributed to the public. Copyright laws also outline what information can be copied for personal use and what can or can not be distributed to the public.

All work which is original and created from ideas which have not been copied from other people’s work is automatically covered by copyright law as soon as it has been recorded in some way. In Australia there is no actual copyright registration system and copyright is free and automatic, however, rights can vary depending on the type of work. Ideas can be expressed in many different forms. These include written material such as newspaper articles, emails, computer programmes, song lyrics, poems, e-books and website text on the internet. It also includes dramatic works, musical works, films, compilations and directories, sound recordings, videos and computer programmes. Rights can vary for different types of work. One example is that copyrights for musical and literary works are different from the rights for artistic works.

Copyright laws do not protect us from other people making work that is similar and calling it their own. We can also read other people’s work and translate or modify that work into our own words by following certain guidelines. In this situation it is very important to show correct referencing. This will make it absolutely clear that the work of another person has been accessed or read and that our work may contain similar ideas but it cannot be the same. This can deter people from copying or using that property as their own. In order to prove legal ownership in some countries overseas it is actually necessary to show that a notice of copyright has been attached to a work. When we want to protect our expressed ideas in the various forms available on the internet it is important to use a copyright notice stating our name and the date that the work was made and specific guidelines outlining what can and can not be done with our work.

It is important to remember though, that there is a certain amount of copying which is considered to be fair under copyright legislation. However, copying of a substantial part of material can break copyright laws. Substantial doesn’t necessarily mean a large amount of the material referring to size. Substantial in this context can also mean an important part of that work, something that makes that work distinctive from other works, or something that is essential to that work

The actual amount of information which can be copied does vary. Most sites will show guidelines regarding copyright stating how much information, or which part of their information can be downloaded, re-posted, forwarded, or printed and exactly what a user can or can not do with that information. When a copyright notice is posted on information on the internet this is called express permission. This type of permission also applies if the user contacts the copyright owner or the webmaster of a site and is given permission to use their material as long as they follow the specified guidelines for reproduction.

If a website does not have a notice regarding copyright a user should contact the owner of the website and ask permission before copying or using any of their material or before linking to their website. Some websites will show information which does not belong to the webmaster of that site, so then it is the responsibility of the user to check with the actual owner of the work posted on that website to check what rights apply to their work.

When a user makes a website or posts their own intellectual property or ideas on the internet there are several ways to make sure that their work can be protected from other people using that work as their own. The most important way to do this on our own websites is to display a copyright notice stating very clearly what can and what can not be done with our work. In some situations it is also possible to use digital watermarking and digital rights management software to protect our work.

Implied permission doesn’t set out copyright quite as clearly. Many news sites on the internet, for example, will show icons which allow us to show print-friendly versions of the site, or icons which allow us to email to others. This implies that the information can be shared without clearly stating that fact in an attached copyright notice.

The public domain comprises information which is not covered by copyright and which is freely available to the public. This can happen when a copyright expires when a certain period of time has lapsed after the death of the author of the work or it can mean that the work was never covered by copyright law and has been distributed on the internet for public use or modification. A large amount of software has been designed specifically for the public to download at no cost and without copyright. It is usually stated on the download site that the software is in the public domain. Once again it is our responsibility as a user to check for any notices which imply that the software is public domain and we should not assume that because there is no notice that we are free to copy, download or modify material. Some software available on the internet might not be legitimate

One area of the internet that has been gaining a lot of attention recently is the downloading of music files or MP3 files. File sharing allows people to make files available to others on a network. Some internet websites where music files are shared across a network have suggested that downloading their files is legal. This is not always true and we should be aware that we cannot download another person’s intellectual property without their permission. Many major record companies are now offering downloads from their own websites. Some of these are free and some of them are not. Once again it is our responsibility as the user to check if we are breaking the law before we download files through P2P software.

Copyright law is very complex and especially so in the area of the internet. It is most important for everyone who uses the internet to have knowledge of basic copyright law because this can ensure that we can legally safeguard our own expressed ideas as well as the ideas expressed by others.


Lara.
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http://www.ag.gov.au/agd/WWW/agdHome...25704C001A561E
Copyright Law Branch - Australian Government Attorney-General’s Department

http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/pdfs/f...ets/ausfta.pdf
Australian Government - Australia – United States Free Trade Agreement
Examining The Impact on Intellectual Property
IP Australia, January 2005

http://www.copyright.org.au/
Australian Copyright Council - Online Information Centre

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/c...act/ca1968133/
Commonwealth Consolidated Acts - COPYRIGHT ACT 1968

http://john.curtin.edu.au/society/glossary/
Archives & recordkeeping glossary
John Curtin Prime Ministerial Library, Australia

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../glossary.mspx
Glossary of Networking Terms for Visio IT Professionals

i have brought this up before, but have not seen an answer. i might have missed it.

but how do you get permission from somebody that might not be around? or passed away? how are you going to prove you got permission? people have different usernames. some have joined here and had to pick a new name because the name they were using on obt was already taken. or they just chose a different one here.

there was some very awful posts made on that forum. they were allowed by the admin and mods there. good people were banned and those disgraceful and demeaning posts were left. so what this mean is that those can be posted here. :(

yes

I have to add that I agree with what Curious has just said.

this is a very delicate area, as Lara's post above clearly shows..... and there are many here who really do not want to be reminded of some of the past on the old boards...some are here because they were very wounded there.

nomatter the legalities and logistics on this, I would like to personally plead with everyone to be VERY sensitive before posting links or quotes from some of the old posts.

where I share in the BT roots, and have many friends here who I met there, and many friends too who have chosen to stay there only, yet I also know the vast majority have moved on here, and would prefer to stay looking forward, not back when it comes to personal posts.

Archived medical/research/treatment etc info is certainly very useful but again, where do we draw the line between what is personal to some. The medical data may also be outdated and could potentialy cause harm.

Just as DocJohn has said, common courtesy should stop all from posting words that were someone elses, and again, I urge all to be careful about NOT posting those email addys and other personal info showing on the old archives.

We also have many new members who do not share our BT history and we need to consider them too when making posts...

So please, again as a fellow member and one with roots at BT too, I am really asking members to be sensitive to each other with this old stuff.......