lost the whole post argggghhhhhh charlie brown

yes we have our own gravitational pull, but our solar system is also manipulated by this super massive black whole as are other stars in the Milkyway, i love talking science, me and deb go at it a lot lol

I always watch shows like this or read books like those, I have always been a self taught person, like a long time ago I was reading "The Chariots Of The Gods", while I recouped from a broken back. After reading it i thought, hmmm wonder what he based his ideas on and dang near read all the books he used as his main resources. Books like 'Epic Of Gilgamesh', the Quran, Bible, the Mayan book Popol Vuy, the Hindu book Bhagavad-Gita(yes I am the same person that asked if you ever read 'zippy the pinhead' comics lol). The one thing that scared me was they all had a Flood story all of them. and they all described the gods ascending, fiery thunderous bright lights strong forceful ascensions. then one morning a few years later I was delivering papers as a part time job along with my full time, but one morning the shuttle took off and they had it on the radio, and the person described the shuttle almost like it was described in those books, I had to pull over i got the heavie weebies so bad it was freaky, it was a goose bump moment, sorry to go OT, sue me lol

oh man, Frank

I am a huge Gilgamesh Fan...I am going to have to pique your brain about it sometimes...

and yes to the flood theory and I have read something about that but I have to go find it...

ooooh...this is so awesome...you are a very smart dude, Frank!

my eyes are about to shut and my brain has shut and probably will come back and read some mumbo jumbo that I've posted without doing research or making sense...LOLOL

you and everybody have a great weekend and I will have to go and read up on some stuff and so we can "go" at it...LOLOLOL

:D

BTW, never read Zippy the Pinhead comics but now you've got me "curious" LOLOL I will have to go look it up, thanks!

hi Frank, I had remember that I read an article that debunks the massive black hole's gravitational pull on galaxies (unless they are within the radius) and did some search. While this one seems to be outdated and I've read both supporters and detractors of the theories you've posted(thank goodenss NT was down, I learned a lot of stuff today. LOLOL) For me, mathematically, this article makes more sense to me.

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/que...php?number=150 (and yeah, it has "curious" in it's address name :rolleyes: LOL)

As with every theory that is out there about our universe. A lot of them are just theories and I am open to all theories so I am not throwing away your view yet, actually. The more I read about it I do tend to agree with you and its supporters. However, I am still with the group that agrees that our solar system has its own relativity of gravitational pull within itself (I'll try to explain my view at the end of this post) It has been very interesting reading up on them and I can say that I am only more confused than ever...LOL (But did LEARN some stuff)

This is what is great about these discussions, we can all chip in on our ideas and then go look for things to support or unsupport the ideas. :)

btw, which Gilgamesh books have you read? The one that I really love is:

Gilgamesh: By John Gardner and John Maier.

John Gardner wrote the "Sunlight Dialogues" which you might find interesting.

He died in 1982 in a motorcycle accident. However, he did left his last work, a typescript of Gilgamesh which he painstakenly translated mainly from "Sin-leqi-unninni" (who's been credited of marrying the Sumerian and the Akkadian versions of Gilgamesh together) to be published and John Maier did a good job helping to see it to print.

(don't quote me on this but I think the Akkadians conquered the Sumerians and not sure why that is of any significance except for another fun trivia. LOL)

anyways, they printed out all the texts that were found up to that point and included the original texts (translated, of course) in the book. All cuneiforms, complete, incomplete or what not were all included.

To me, they did a great job explaining the text (which was written in prose) and it is a great read. Small paper back.

It talks about that Noah-like dude, Utnapishtim, in more depth than some of the other versions I've read. And it explains the conflict of Ishtar a bit more. And then it goes into more depth about Enkidu.

http://www.amazon.com/Gilgamesh-John...9561752&sr=8-1

I still haven't found my book about the flood being in all major religions but I am almost certain that I did read that Gilgamesh (in Cuneiform and considered by many to be the first novel) was where the very first flood was mentioned (in writing) and then it trickled down onto other religions (I am NOT turning this into a religious talk, folks, just what I've read. :) )

anyways, just thought you might be interested.

If you have any books that you really love that you think I might be interested, throw the titles my way. :)

I'd love to read more on whatever ideas...it's really exciting to learn!

I do have to tell you, after all the readings I've done today on Black holes, it's made this already huge black hole of mine bigger...think I have enough gravity to pull my sanity in? LOLOLOL

Oh, BTW, I did read something very interesting today which I never knew...black holes used to be called :Frozen Stars

it wasn't until John Wheeler called his theory "black holes" that black holes became popular...always cool to learn something new! :D

:thud:

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btw, Frank

I do want to say that I am still with you on the super black hole being the main gravitational pull. But I still do believe that our solar system has it's own gravitational pull.

while there are many reasons, the main one would be: If the black hole is so strong, it would make not only the sun, but each planet and asteroids and comets and belts revolve around the black hole rather than the sun.

so IMHO I still think that our solar system as a whole, gravitates(revolves) around the black hole as one entitity (as you've mentioned. :) )

Let me see if I can attempt to illustrate this. LOL

If I use "S" for Sun and each planet's first letter for this equations, i.e. "E" for earth. (And I'll avoid the asteroid belts and others to avoid confusion on my part but I'll throw in Pluto for good measurement. LOL)

so S{m,v,e,m,j,s,u,n,p} (all the planets inclusive in the Sun)

and BH will equal black hole

so BH [S{m,v,e,m,j,s,u,n,p}]

anyways, this has been a great learning experience, thanks for bringing this up. I've had a lot of fun researching today. :D

Bonjour Who Moi!!!

Comment sa va aujourd-hui?

Now I'll put my question into english and I CAN'T WAIT FOR YOU TO ANSWER.

In all honesty, how do you think life began on this planet?

Get crackin!!! lol

Melody

:thud:

Mel, I don't think I am smart enough (heck, I don't even think I am smart enough in the first place. LOL) to even tawk about how life began on this planet...

plus, we'd then have to consider the religious aspect of what some might define how life began and then...well, it would just be too beyond my black holed brain to even comprehend. LOLOL

I think it should be explained by people a lot smarter than I am..and there are tons of people here that are! LOLOL

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But, I will tell you how life started pour moi:

My dad was hitting on my mom one day by making eyes or something, and then you know, the earth moved under their feet and the heavens shook (so they said, could be just a cheap bottle of ChampAGONY. LOL)

and then there was this little tiny tadpole looking thing, his name was "Bob"

he was a really good swimmer, he swam at the speed of light so someone called him: lightning Bob.

when the gate opened, Bob got ahead of everyone and he was really proud of himself, he didn't know where he was going, really...but he just knows that he's been preparing his whole life for this...

then he bumped into this round thing that was really huge, blocking Bob's way...so Bob looked up and saw this round Egg looking thing making eyes with him...and he asked her politely,

"ma'am, would you mind moving? I have to keep on swimming..."

"why Bob, where are you swimming to?" she asked

Bob didn't know the answer but he's always known about the Holy Land that his friends talked about...it was called the "Bmow" (B is silent)

(most of Bob's colleagues were dyslexic)


So Bob said, "I am going to MOW"

The Egg then smiled..

"mow?? Are you a good mower??"

Well, Bob didn't know what a mower was but he was not going to admit that he wasn't a good mower, so he said yes, he was...

The Egg then said, "OK, I will pay you 10 bucks if you stick around and mow my lawn for me."

At that time, 10 bucks were a lot of dough. So Bob stuck around, lost his tail and now, some 40 and some change years later

here I am about to go outside to mow the lawn for FREE...

:thud:

You are one funny tadpole!!!

Melody

Moi, with the way you skirted that question you would make one heck of a politician LOL ...Sue

Ah, but what if gravity is not a "pull" from within, but a wave from without?

I miss the Geezer. He would have been all over this discussion.

me thinks it might be both, actually. I was just thinking about something similar last night....

what if gravities are like personalities?

what if the black hole are only attracted to the Stars and NOT the planets?

that would make sense cause whenever I try to attract Jennifer Aniston, she runs away from me and goes to Brad da Pitts...*pout...

but seriously, wonder if Gravity has more to it than we know or can define it? We know it manipulates weight (not mass) and we know it has pulls, but if it just pulls, how come things aren't crashing? There might just be a PUSH as well??

see, very smart diversion!! Wish the geezer was here also!! :hug:

and sue, *pow....LOL

mel, set sue straight, will ya?? See if you can throw a pedegg at her and make her gravitate toward your pasta maker...LOLOL

OK, who wants to take a crack at ancient technology? like the Egyptians, Mayans, Greeks?

I remembered seeing the show on Archimedes (the famous ancient Greek inventor) on History Channel and then started to read up on him.

He created machines (I think computers for that time, really) that are still mind boggling til this day. They did some recreations on the show and it was really awesome...

so it makes me wonder, why do we think that we have only advanced in the past 100 years or so?? When there is a wide array of people acknowledging that even with our technical advances today, it would be hard to recreate the pyramid and other ancient structures?

Frank brought up a good point. If those people were so primitive, how did they make such accurate engineering calculations??

The pyramid was less than 1 inch in error....can you imagine????

goose bumps..LOL

What if.......our civilization was even more advanced than we could even dream to be in this day and age. Then somewhere back in time our human race made war with each other. I know that sounds crazy....we all know we dont war with each other, but what if they did. :p

So this highly advanced human race, with weapons that make our weapons look like pea shooters decide to use them against each other. The weapons destroy nearly everything on earth...in which only a few people survived. Now these people would still have the knowledge, but not the means or man power to put everything back together again. So they de-civilize back down to the tribal mentality that we all know so well.

Think about the lost civilizations in south america, and look at how we still dont a whole lot about them, or know where all of there cities are. Or even that much past the sumarians, which were starting to get together finally after who knows how long. Even the great pyramids are shrouded in mysteries because we know they are there, but how did they move those massive stones, or drill holes that our scientists today say that they were drilled with drills that turned at least 500 times faster than the fastest drills we have today.

Maybe we were at one time very advanced, and then we pulled the trigger and poof! Everything as they knew it was gone, and they did what ever it took to survive. As time went by the generations of kids lost the tech, and the nolgy. Just something to ponder.

If they figure out time travel I will be taking tours back to 50,000 bc so we can see what happened LOL. :D

exactly Allen look at the so called dark ages, in Europe, meanwhile the Muslims, they new of the stars the medical knowledge they had was still 1000 years ahead of egotistical people who think that knowledge is something new to the 20th century. Archimedes makes me wonder if he hadn't found some access to this knowledge from possibly even more ancient cultures, or the guy was unbelievable, the intellect he held was outstanding. I have a strong feeling we have forgotten more than we will ever know, I did see a show that took tree core samples and came to the conclusion that drought was the reason for the failure of the ancient natives of south america, famine disease and all things that follow in line with droughts, all I know is my bday is dec 23 and in 2012 we are celebrating it on the 20th :rolleyes::rolleyes:

i sure hope the mayans are wrong to think i will be two days short of being able to be an AARP member:yikes:

hey any one want to tackle anti matter for us lol

The Mayans predicted great change in 2012 ...it's a cycle. The Mayan calendar, I read, has ended before. Nowhere do they predict the end of the world...just great change. I could use some great change. All I gots is a quarter. LOL

Also, that would be my 33rd anniversary and the world ain't ending on my anniversary...

Anti-matter....gees. The Geezer once explained that to me...and the anti-matter bottle that had been created to contain antimatter. Thing is, I understand the bottle better than the contents. Sheesh.

Antimatter! :eek: OMG LOL now we are cookin!!!

That is something most people are familiar with if they ever watched saturday morning cartoons. The only problem with the cartoons is it seems like it is easy to use, get, or destroy stuff with LOL.

Some things most people dont know about antimatter was discovered by CERN. Busy little company :D

I was gonna type up this big explanation, but discovered I was typin in circles just tryin to make my point hahahaha! So im gonna cut and paste some of what I was going to try and explain. :)

I hope this is not too technical, I tried to find the least technical of all the stuff, but this is basically what I wanted to try and explain.

Just imagine if you had a full gram of this stuff....you would be the richest in the galaxy!! LOL

Predictions and the end of the world have always intrigued me. As I was sitting here contemplating the universe and antimatter, and I O's. I remembered a thing that I believe was called the "black box". If I recall right this scientist created this box that used random event generators. At first he wanted to see if ordinary people off the street could influence the box by using their minds to either cause it to generate a one or a zero.

Amazingly every person he selected off the street could influence the random event generator. He then made some more of these black boxes and put them around the world, then connected them all together via the internet.

Some of the things this box generated was absolutely amazing to me. World wide on certain special days these boxes would go crazy. They seemed to start going wild before major world wide events like 911, major earthquakes, and even Princess Di's death.

I am not sure if this thing is still hooked up, but what they found was astounding! What it shows I think is that everyone is connected with some kind of global conscience, but it is subconscious LOL.

Man the possibilities would be endless if everyone could tap into this conscientiousness. We would possibly be able to see into the future to see if there is anything to these end of world predictions. I will be interested to see what this black box does on Frank's birthday, that is if we are still here :eek: LOL.

I remember hearing about this black box after 9/11, very interesting, you know they say we only use ten percent of our brain what if we actually use more of it?

yeah this Mayan thing gnaws at me a bit the sun will be in middle of our galaxy, the polar cap shift is also due, I dont know, shall just wait and see, maybe have a bottle of Tequila ready:yikes:

Check this out

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/0...unds-synt.html

Melding minds with computers! Now that is serious geek tawk!! :D

my brain will not be able to process a lot of these today...LOL

but tomorrow, is another day!

however, I have heard of that black box also...but glad you've brought more info, now I will have to look that up!

The Mayan Calendar is interesting and I am keeping an open mind about it although I am more like 80/20 on it...80 (skeptical, LOL)

however, if it is true, let's have a big party and just party until that major change or end of the world, whatever it may be...LOLOL, if the world doesn't end? We can at least have the fun celebrating Frank's AARP card day..

duckster, I so wished that I had a chance to meet him...would've loved to meet pick his brain...*sigh...

now, as for anti-matter...that is beyond me...but from what I've read, isn't that like "quark" splitting??

Wow, 100 quadrillion dollars....:thud:

gonna have to read up more on it when my brain isn't so jello-y...

btw, anyone here ever read up on Nikola Tesla??

dude, you find the coolest stuff!

I will have to read that tomorrow

but looks like they used Professor X from the X-men...LOLOL

isnt this what the CIA was using LSD for in the early to mid sixties, to be able to use the mind in ways like this

Yeah I think it is what they intended it for. LOL

Boy did that one cause a trip! LOL

Sometimes I wonder if our government doesnt already have a lot of the stuff we are reading about now, but have been using it for years.

I was watching that Air Force One show on the History channel, and they referred to some of the weaponry on the air force one jet as top secret. They also talked about the snipers that follow the pres and his jet for protection to each country, and said they also have technology that was top secret. I was wondering what technology could snipers use that would be top secret? hmmmm interesting.....like maybe scopes that could see through walls, or maybe see brain functions, or scopes that can see and hear through walls.

It is an interesting program. Never knew there were hundreds of people flying out weeks in advance into these countries to prepare for a US presidential visit.

hmmm i missed that one will have to keep my eye out for it sounds interesting, yeah the govt has many secrets, would love to sit in the top secret room and read read read

Wormholes. I think they're way cool and speak to time travel as being possible. But that's fitted in to string theory, isn't it?

i listened to a guy on NPR talk about building a time machine and wanting to go back to see his dad who died.

There's a thing called a paradox, time travel creates that implicitly--see the Harry Potter you can't be in two places at one time and don't let yourself see yourself thing. So if you did create a time machine, you couldn't create a paradox.

But he said he couldn't go back to see his dad. My question is why? Why couldn't you go back?

I mean seriously, if time travel is not just a theory and is a product of natural law, it IS possible and we just don't know how to do it yet, then the idea that if you went past the time/date you created the time machine would mean that it wouldn't cease to exist at the very moment you crossed that creation time/date. You'd be able to go past.

So what that means is that if I invented the machine today, I could still go back to 3 tuesdays ago if I wanted. I wouldn't have to wait for 3 tuesdays from now and go back to the day the machine was invented.

Then again, if time travel's possible, couldn't you, in theory, cease to exist if you go past the time of your birth? Or would that create a paradox of incredible proportions if you actually went back prior to your birth.

Anti-matter's way cool stuff. I think, just like nano-technology, it has interesting applications if we learn to use it.

Nano-technology's always intrigued me.

Also I love how you slow down time the further away from Earth's gravity you get. It would be fun to measure if that holds true and how FAST you slow it down if you go to a planet with a stronger gravitational pull. Does the amount of gravity make a difference on how fast time slows down or no?

did anyone saw that show on ancient flying machines that came out a couple of years ago? I can't remember if it was the History Channel or Discovery Channel. They actually recreated some of those artifacts they found from the Eskimos and the Egytians and South America and they flew...flawlessly...

here is a website on those ancient machines:
ancient flying machines

ole hooved beaky one,

more cool questions you've raised...I am not smart enough to answer those but for my own theory and big mouth...

I think String Theory would make time travel very possible. But everything becomes an alternative...

if that guy was able to go back to see his dad, and let's say he got into a fight the first time, and this time, he decides to be nice. Then, would there be a change of events? Would he then want to go back to see his dad TODAY?

I am reading this book now by Fred Allan Wolf. He raised a good question:

"Did the early universe have a radius? How could it even have one? Because according to quantum picture it wouldn't have had any radius until that radius was measured? who measured it? When was that measurement accomplished? And then, a few physicists have come to a startling conclusion.

It is OUR observations NOW that are determining the past.

he then states that an observation of an event now somehow sends a message backward in time and "causes" events in the past. If this is true, then what is really the past?

It would seem that there is no absolute past, because there is always the possibility at anytime that some present event will alter it."

it continues to state: "A way out of this paradox is found in the parallel universe theory.

In other words, there are parallel pasts---an infinite number of them. The past that is altered by the present is just one of the many.

Since, according to relativity, there is no such thing as absolute present (NOW, LOL) then waht is present for someone could be the past of the future for another. Consequently, it would seem that the future also communicates with the present, but which future?"

OK, while I understand this in concept...does someone want to volunteer and explain what it REALLY means?? LOLOLOL

I have a question about those airplane models.

It looks like an airplane.

So if they found the model, THEN WHERE IS THE ACTUAL FLYING MACHINE THAT THE MODEL REPRESENTS??

I mean, holy cow, something as big as a flying machine?? well, where could they possibly hide that?

It has to be somewhere.

And I'm sure you have read and seen those GIGANTIC drawings that can only be seen from the sky.

I tell you. WE HAVE BEEN VISITED.

I'm a big believer in that.

I also believe in the Butterfly Effect (and this has nothing to do with the movie).

I do think that when you change something in the past (theroretically I mean, since we can't go back (at least not yet).

But if you change something in the past, you never know what kind of an effect that might have on present day.

Life's a circle. Always changing.

Melody

Descartes walked into a bar.
The bartender said, "Beer, buddy?"
Descartes said, "I think not."
And he disappeared.

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Basically, we're buying into concepts. I guess the question is whether our concepts shape the correctness of what we perceive as true. Are there universal truths such as mathematical concepts or have we created the concept that these things are true, proven, and play out universally? Just because we've "verified" some of these things and they have thus far proved correct does not mean that they will hold true throughout the several universes.

For example, we buy into the idea that a piece of paper that we call a "dollar" has value. That it is intrinsically worth something. But the "value" of money is a concept. We place a value on it artificially. It works because we all buy into that concept. It is the same whether our "dollar" is a shell or a coin or a lovely sparkling gem. The concept of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

Or our observations now are explaining the past in a way that's understandable to us based on our perceived reality of "now."

Does this explain how we "discover" new things? Theories? Artifacts?

In theory, we can travel between those parallel universes via wormholes--ok, traversable wormholes. But you have to buy into the idea that they operate simultaneously so that you arrive at the same instant in time as the one you left. That might make the statement above true.

Wormhole: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole

It would seem that to alter things, you would have to not only create a wormhole that allowed you to travel between parallel universes but back in time too. I don't know the math, trust me you don't want me adding 1 + 1 without a calculator or fingers, and probably wouldn't be able to do it if you taught me it. But theory is one thing that I can grasp, even vaguely the mathematical concepts too, when explained as Hawking does.

Time is fluid, in other words.

It would seem to me that the answer would have to be "all of them." If there is never an absolute present, then the present that is also the past of the future for someone else (or you in a parallel universe?) would mean that it would be possible that the future could communicate with the present because it WOULD be the past of the future for someone and thus already experienced. This way the past would always be informing the present and the present would always be informing the future which would be the now for someone else currently--in that parallel universe. So if communication between parallel universes is possible, it would be probable that we could experience the future--and the past--simultaneously or at least at different instants consecutively.

Did I lose you yet? I'm not sure I'm understanding what I wrote, but I think it makes sense if you parse it out. But I'm open, very open, to being disproved since theoretically I already have been.
:D

Butterfly effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect


Similar to what some scientists argue about windmill power and possible overuse of the clean energy.....

I LOVE THIS ONE!!!

When a tree falls in a forest, how do you know it makes a sound?? (If there's no one to hear it??)

it is a good question, I have answered both yes and no in my life, no because to hear we need to be there and yes because, sound is a vibration in the atmosphere around us,

so even with out an ear to translate the vibration, aka, the sound. the tree still disrupts the atmosphere around said object and sends out vibrations, there just isn't an ear to translate the vibrations into an audible sound,

i tend to lean on the second answer yes it makes a sound,

another thought these vibrations that are produce, when a tree falls, scare off birds and small critters and deer

wee wee....:)


wee wee!! (and for some reason, I have an image of all those creatures running out of the woods and toward moi...LOLOLOL)

great profound thoughts, Frank...:D

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Gaz, those are good answers! I'll have to come back to it, I got phillo-doughed in the other thread and my brain is mush like oatmeal..

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Mel, you've got good perspectives IMHO...

:D

Does that mean if one walks backwards, mistakes can be undone?

Time travel is one very interesting subject. I was listening in on a art bell show one night driving home from work back in 2001. They were talking about time travel, and discussing this guy named John Titor who claimed to be a time traveler.

He kinda came and went lol. His story very interesting, not sure what to make of it myself. I read the entire thing back then, and thought I should find this stuff and share it, and read it all again LOL.

http://www.anomalies.net/object/titororiginalpost.html

I think the idea of different time lines, and parallel universe's gives endless possibilities. Sometimes I think that the things that go bump in the night are in a parallel dimension. It is quite possible that our consciousnesses move over into these other dimensions where time would be different than what we experience in this dimension.

I think out of body and near death experience is when people experience this other dimension. Makes ya wonder how much is in that dimension, and how much can they interact with this dimension from inside theirs. Then add onto that the string theory, and it makes you wonder if there is a lot more that we are not seeing. Do the other dimensions interact on more levels than we can interact with the other dimensions?

well, if we use what Allen just said and your theory, I think if we SLEEPWALK backwards...

the Steaks can be well done...

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Well, I do try. The other day I watched a marathon of ENTERPRISE with Scott Bakula. I had never seen that series. Wow, did I enjoy that.

I'm a trekker (notice I didn't say trekkie).

I also spent last night watching the Science Channel. I saw a show called "HOW'S IT'S MADE".

They showed how they milk cows. They don't need people any more. They have these cows in buildings and they are free to roam around and go under some kind of mechanical brush thing that makes the blood circulation better in their bodies. They keep the cows relaxed so they produce better milk.

Oh, did you know that cows only give milk AFTER they give birth?? The lactate for up to 10 months afterward.

Then the cow (when the udders get too filled with milk), well they know where to go, and some sensor goes near the udders, and records which cow it's milking. Yup, the cow has an identification code.

Then the device attaches itself to each udder and there's a digital readout and it says: 'MILKING IN PROGRESS". Then the milk goes from long tubes into this big vat, and if there is any side of bad milk, the whole thing is disposed of. And the vat itself tests the milk and stores it at the correct temperature.

And when the cow has no more milk, the readout says 'Milk production ends".

Then the cow (feeling content now), simply mozes back into where he can roam around freely. He's not separated from his herd because they don't want to give the cow any stress.

No human is involved in this process.

I have never seen such a thing in all my life. I said out loud to the television "This is where my skim milk comes from??? There's sensors underneath a cow that knows his serial number, and everything is scientifically digitalized???

You should have seen my face.

I had no idea. My grandfather milked cows on his farm.

Good God.

Then I watched how they make Blackboards, and Stained Glass Windows.

I'm telling you, I get an education all the time, just from watching the Science Channel.

Anybody here watch this besides me??

Melody

Vibrations.....everything gives off vibrations. That is a whole nother thing we should explore :D


Live long and Prosper.

One of my boys is a trekkier LOL He got hooked on the TV shows, and then the movies. This guy is a walking, talking star trek encyclopedia.

Here is his myspace page

http://www.myspace.com/data1701

He is a good kid, so far he has beaten esophageal cancer, and a mental disability. Thought he would never live, let alone live on his own, but he is doin it!

They are making it into the mainstream news. :winky:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24525554

Gonna be real interesting what happens there in the ensuing months.