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06-22-2012, 03:41 PM | #21 | |||
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Hi bbano,
The most common dental problems seen in every dental office have to do with root canaled teeth or areas of the mouth where root canaled teeth use to be. Even once the tooth has been removed, there will still be at minimum, remnants of bacteria lingering in the jawbone. Sometimes the bacteria is more extensive than others due to the longevity of the infection and/or the immune system of the patient. Most people are unaware not told that they have a problem until they develop a large swelling. The warning signs of an ongoing infection are similar whether the tooth is still present or extracted, with a few exceptions.....bad breath, bleeding or inflamed gum(s), sour or salty taste, achy or tenderness felt in one area moreso than another, the on/off formation of pimples (called fistula's) high up in the gum area along the bony ridge, loose tooth (teeth) or crown, gum recession, deep pocketing, temperature sensitivity, swelling.....etc. If the dental implant was placed in bone that was not healthy and/or the sinus was perforated or the mandibular canal was nicked during the placement, then you will experience symptoms similar to those of an ongoing tooth problem. Dental implants placed in healthy bone with no complications, do not feel like anything.... there is an initial sensation during chewing of the "tooth" being firmer than a natural tooth because there is no ligament surrounding the implant as there is with a natural tooth, but that sensations subsides in time. Obviously, you feel that your overall health is being affected by this dental issue. Did you inform the ENT, the allergist, the jaw specialist, and the chiropractor that you had a root canaled tooth extracted prior to the dental implant? Did you by chance give them the history of that tooth prior to the root canal, meaning was the tooth infected or broken.. and for how long? Was it root canaled once... twice? Also, how long after the extraction was the implant put in? Did the dentist place bone graft material prior to the implant placement? All of these things give the history of the longevity of the problem and they are meant to give them a clearer perspective of what may be going on there. Bryanna Quote:
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06-22-2012, 04:52 PM | #22 | |||
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Hi Becdedo,
Please don't apologize for a lengthy post.... have you seen some of mine? LOL! Your words....are typically heard in every dental office, every single day.... <<<<I have a tooth (I believe its #13) that had a root canal 10 years ago and never really got better. The dentist who did the work told me at 6 months that pain that long wasn't unusual and everything was fine.>>>> Your tooth is obviously infected and it most likely ties into at least some of your on going sinus problems. Root canal therapy cannot cure an infected tooth irrelevant of how many times it is performed. The main reason is due to the millions of microscopic canals that every tooth has, of which there is no access to. So irrelevant of how many times the root canal is performed, these canals continue to harbor necrotic, infected nerve material. Thus the pressure, thus the inflammation, thus the pain.... thus the on going infection. The roots of tooth #13 can be very close if not directly into the sinus membrane. Because your tooth has had a long term infection, the chances of the bacteria proliferating into the sinus is increased. What makes that occurrence even more likely is the apicoectomy (a surgical root canal) that you had by the oral surgeon 3 yrs ago. Do you recall him saying anything about a sinus communication? Becdedo, your tooth is the source of a severe, long term infection. The only way to stop the proliferation of the infection is to remove this tooth. I would urge you to NOT have this tooth removed by anyone working in a dental clinic or dental school. It will most likely be a complicated extraction and there may be a need to go into the sinus at the same time. This type of oral surgery requires a very experienced oral surgeon, not a student. I also urge you to NOT wait to have this done. I'm sorry this is so blunt, but you have a severe infection that needs to be tended to asap. NO antibiotic is going to cure this infection, it may not even subside the pain for very long. The pain you have now is worse than it will be after the extraction because once the tooth is out, the source of the problem will be gone and the pressure will be less. Please see an oral surgeon asap. Bryanna Quote:
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06-22-2012, 06:28 PM | #23 | ||
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Thanks for your Reply Bryanna. I know the oral surgeon and the second dentist I saw this week both said that the roots sit right under the sinus cavity and that is why when one acts up the other soon follows. I have been begging to have the tooth pulled but haven't found anyone willing to do it for me because, "its a good tooth, we can save it." To which I usually reply, "I don't think it wants to be saved. Lets put it and me out of our misery and just pull it." It's reassuring to have my gut feeling backed up and hear that if I go for root canal #3 I'll just be prolonging the infections and pain. I have been trying to find someone who will set up some sort of payment arrangement with me so I can get the work done but so far no luck. I am starting a new job with dental insurance so hopefully I can get the work done soon. I did notice today that the pain and swelling are better overall, however I've developed a round lump under my eye on my cheekbone. It's warm and painful to the touch. I had cellulitis in my leg after a spider bite several years ago and it reminds me of that. I'll keep up with my search for someone to take out the tooth and thanks again! While it makes me feel less alone to see so many others having the type of problems, it seems to also say something about how the dental industry in the US pushes for more expensive, less effective treatment. Or maybe it's just me and the bad experiences I've had coloring my view.
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06-22-2012, 08:36 PM | #24 | |||
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Grand Magnate
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Becdedo,
No, you are not an isolated case at all and your view is not skewed by any means. If I had a nickel for every dental patient that I know to have experienced your exact situation...... no lie, I'd be a millionaire. That's how common this is. Does that make it okay to (mis)treat people this way... absolutely not. I think you may be running into roadblocks for a few reasons: 1) You have to emphatically state that you want this tooth removed and you are not willing to treat it any further. This statement would be interpreted as a definitive decision from you and show that you are not willing to let anyone talk you into any further nonsense. 2) Finances are a huge issue in dentistry. Dental fees for most procedures have become unaffordable for many people and it can be a temporary hardship when you are in need of emergency treatment. However, when you seek cheaper treatment at a clinic or school, you need to be careful that you are not taken advantage of and that the treatment is not inferior. 3) If you are not an established patient of a particular practice.... and this goes for not having a referral from a dentist to an oral surgeon.... the worst thing you can do is ask the surgeon for a financial break in the fee or if you can make a partial payment and pay the rest at another time. The office assumes they will never see the rest of the money and that's because they have been burned many times. In your case, your surgery is going to be complicated. You need a reputable oral surgeon and unless you are willing to pay his fee at the time of service, you are going to have a hard time finding a good one. I don't agree with this way of doing business... I believe everyone is entitled to honest, quality dental care. But that is not how the dental profession works.... not by a long shot. I cannot emphasize enough that you should not wait to seek care of this problem. The new swelling under the eye is indicative of advanced inflammation... this is going to get worse, not better. Waiting until you have dental insurance may not be in your best interest. Please reconsider. I wish you the best of outcomes.... Bryanna Quote:
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07-10-2012, 10:48 PM | #25 | ||
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I have been going through the same pain as your wife for 3 yrs.It all happened from a cap on my tooth.Been to many dentist,Dr specialits,Cat scan ,MRI,Bone Scans and not just once many times.The only thing they can come up with is it Chonic pain,maybe nerve damage.They removed tooth with cap still not better pain moved to next health tooth.They have me on Chonic pain medicine 5pills a day,it does not work that great.The only thing that help is to wear a teeth whitening tray over the bottom teeth on left side.I do not have TMJ been ruled out, and see no dental problem.It really sucks to live this way. I hate taking all these pills too,what are the pills doing to are body.How is your wife doing ,did any Dr find the answer yet??
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