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12-12-2011, 10:46 PM | #1 | ||
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Okay, here goes:
1, 3 and 4. Dental procedures were on 30 and 21. # 30 had a crown and they (dentist and endo) decided it needed a root canal - unfortunately, the canal was calcified so after two sessions the endo decided that the tooth would fail as root canal - not possible. So tooth was extracted by oral surgeon with plan for an implant. That side of mouth has had a block 4 times (2 for rc, one for tooth extraction and one for implant insertion) - my understanding was that it was a long lasting block. I specifically asked and was told that articaine or septacaine was used. Each time it seemed that they had to use 3 cartridges for anesthetic doing both a block and then infiltration (I think it is called). On the other side, tooth #21 was part of a 3 unit bridge, so bridge was cut off and then options were a 4 unit bridge (as #21 was removed) or 2 implants. This side also was anesthetized 4 times again articaine was used. 2. No mercury 5. I never get ill, however, I had the flu shot this year and had a reaction that needed to be reported - hot flush, weakness, nausea about 3 hours after injection. Was fine the next day. 6. Seems like the anesthetic went away quickly and a few days later this tingling started and it has now been ongoing - since June after extraction. First it was on the right side only and now on both sides. Treatment has been ongoing. 7. Initial sensation was in right upper cheek near TMJ, but I am not good at recalling exact details. It gets confusing as I was seeing dentist, endo and oral surgeon and each was doing his thing. 8. I am 65 and I do have hypothyroid, which is under control. 9. I have never had a negative reaction to any anesthetic (was actually surprised by the reaction to the flu shot this year). 10. I did have difficulty getting numb and as I said above, oral surgeon used 3 cartridges each time. He seemed surprised at the lack of total numbness after 7 to 10 minutes. The sensation is awful, again, not horribly painful, but irritating and the loss of taste is annoying. I keep chewing my cheeks and biting my tongue. With the concern being expressed I'll hold on the B3 until I hear more. But, am sure he said niacin. Also, have had 3 implants placed with bone graft on 20 and 21. # 20 implant failed and was removed along with the graft. In April oral surgeon is planning a bone graft from my lower jaw to the implant site. I am really concerned about having more dental work done, but at the moment I am having difficulty chewing the food that I cannot taste. It has been difficult and any help will be appreciated. Thanks |
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12-13-2011, 09:07 AM | #2 | |||
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Vaccine injury ...not good.
Vaccine injuries affect the nerves in some people. This can be autoimmune, or it can be due to increased inflammatory cytokines that are stimulated by the adjuvants in the vaccines which continue at high level in some people after the initial vaccine injection. This is called a cytokine storm. Anti-inflammatory response with steroids or NSAIDs may point to this type of inflammation and calm it. If you ask for a Medrol dospak, and it works some for you, that would point to inflammatory reactions. If you would like to learn more about vaccine injuries and how they happen, Dr. Blaylock is very active in interpreting the medical data on this problem which is becoming very common lately with the push to get more and more vaccines. If you are interested, check out all four of these YouTubes: This is the link to the first one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--nWrqIspnQ Part 2 after this, goes into how vaccine reactions can harm people. We have had people on these forums who developed nerve damage following vaccines. And do get the testing for B12 and D. If you use acid blocking drugs for long periods of time, OR, use Metformin daily, you could be low in B12 levels. You will want to know the results in numbers because testing lab ranges go LOW in US and you can have nerve damage at low "normals". New low level in recent medical CME's is now 400. When B12 goes low, nerve repair, cannot proceed well if at all. Your body can store about 5 yrs worth if you were doing well, but that varies from person to person. The blood tests are simple, and very useful. Many people are also low in Vit D and that upsets calcium metabolism and can cause paresthesias, as well. I would NOT follow the Niacin B3 recommendation at this time until you clarify it. The doses you quote are however, in the range for oral B12 supplementation, and safe for B12. (not Niacin). So far today we have two current posters with vaccine histories with painful Peripheral Neuropathic problems. One from Adult Pertussis vaccine and one who received the H1N1... This problem you have may initially be connected to your dental injections, and the injury may progress because of the inflammation going on in your body. But that is difficult to say. Only...7 months is too long for an initial injury to heal, so something may be going on beyond it. This is my B12 thread: http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread85103.html Please look at it, as it explains, alot. And has medical links for you to read too. We have a Vitamin forum here, that you can also visit, if you choose. http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/forum49.html The net has many good sites you can research your Niacin issue. I suggest this one to start: http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/niacin/ There is a huge difference between Niacin and nicotinamide. So when you discuss this with the doctor please be precise and write down what he says. Nicotinamide is less problematic than Niacin (B3).
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12-13-2011, 09:13 AM | #3 | ||
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I may have forgotten to mention when I had the flu vaccine - it was in September and this paresthesia was already well under way.
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12-13-2011, 09:42 AM | #4 | |||
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Do you get the vaccine each fall?
Vaccines are being looked at as triggers for many autoimmune issues. And not only in humans. Vaccines in cats are known to cause many diseases now. In fact they have a new adjuvant free vaccine for cats (rabies), to avoid the cancer that the older vaccines with adjuvants that are thought now to cause vaccination induced sarcoma. The distemper boosters for cats cause autoimmune kidney disease, for one. Think very carefully, and do your research before any more vaccines. Vaccines for humans may contain contaminants...other viruses in fact. Watch Dr. Blaylock's informative videos. There is even a video on YouTube now with the former head of vaccines at Merck that ADMITS to contamination in the past. (you have to look around for it --and I warn you it is disturbing). There is a nerve damage that comes from virus infections... called viral mimicry... Our PN board has links to special tests to test for various gangliosides that might be present after viral assaults. The viral reactions are usually body wide and burning, but can present in many complicated ways. This is when the body makes antibodies during an infection and when that is over the antibodies remain and attack the host and depending on protein sequences may mimic nervous tissue. One very well known autoimmune type happens with Strep and it is called PANDAs... but one of our posters at PN discussed with his specialist this "mimicry" situation is possible with other infections too, and we just don't have diagnostic tests to measure them all. Damage to the trigeminal nerves may just "happen". So you may want to post at our TN forum, as some people have bilateral trigeminal damage and discuss it there. http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/forum26.html Sorry to say, it is not an easy problem you have. But there are many people here who you can read about their experiences. We are all different, and it can be confounding to get the correct help. And sometimes there is no answer, sadly. At PN the "no answer" is called idiopathic. I think an answer to Bryanna's questions for a start, on this venue, is a good beginning, and also you can start to read the links I shared with you.
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12-13-2011, 10:10 AM | #5 | ||
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In the past I never got the flu vaccine, as I never get the flu (I mean never) even when everybody around me is getting it. However, 2 years ago my grandson was born a micropreemie and I could not be around him unless I got H1N1 and seasonal flu vaccine, which is why I started getting it. So, this is the third time that I have gotten flu vaccine. I do not plan to get it again. I have never had a reaction in the past. Perhaps another important piece of information is that I do have Hashimoto's Disease.
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12-13-2011, 10:36 AM | #6 | |||
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It sure would be helpful to get as much info on you in the beginning. Having Hashimoto's is a huge pointer to other autoimmune issues.
This is our autoimmune forum: http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/forum44.html You can use the search function at the top right of the first page of any forum to search your topic. Autoimmune disease tends to cluster in some patients. The triggers can be vaccines...as one example. But there is a dietary cause called gluten intolerance/Celiac which has with time, been shown to affect the thyroid and nerves and many other parts of the body. Some thyroid disease runs in families, and this may be an autoimmune tendency as well. Please read this link: http://sites.google.com/site/jccglutenfree/ Autoimmune issues are explained in the Dr. Blaylock YouTubes. Really that should be your first stop. This poster: http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/sh...023#post830023 He is finding positive results from steroid treatment for his supposed vaccine injury. It is also, a topic, that doctors avoid typically. So getting confirmation of a trigger of vaccines for YOU will not be easily forthcoming. The poster in the link above, is unusual in that his doctor links his nerve problems to the H1N1 vaccine. But that is not the typical way one would be diagnosed today IMO. In your case an injury during your dental work, which may have repaired itself over time, would possibly be a problem if you are making antibodies to the myelin coating of the axons of the nerves. Once injured, the nerves would attract cytokines in the body and also the antibodies. When this over-reacts, then healing is compromised and inflammation continues instead. I have some posts explaining nerves/ and nerve signal transmission here: Sometimes pictures help: http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/post828704-7.html People typically end up here after seeing several doctors unsuccessfully for a chronic problem. And often the answer is not easy to find. All you can do is read what many of us have learned over the years, and are sharing here. Eventually most people find a way to heal themselves. But it can take time and patience.
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12-13-2011, 04:04 PM | #7 | ||
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My immediate reaction is to wonder if I should start taking B12 (bought it today when I was out). However, then I ask myself if I need to first get some testing done for B12. If taking it would camouflage problems, than I may never know if I am low in B12. On the other hand, I need some help now.
I had previously mentioned that I am hypothyroid and thought that the majority of hypothyroid problems were autoimmune; guess I should have stated that. I am wondering exactly what kind of doctor I should be talking with - suggestions?? Seems it isn't a neurologist, dentist or oral surgeon. My PCP is infectious disease. Should I be seeing somebody in immunology? Is that a specialty? I consider myself intelligent, but this is truly confusing. I see drs so seldom - generally only for a yearly physical. |
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12-13-2011, 11:58 PM | #8 | |||
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Breezy,
Thanks for all the info... I am going to read and sort through it and see what I can come up with. I think I see some possible trigger points but I don't want to reply just yet, I want to review it more closely. By any chance do you have xrays that you could post of the areas that have been worked on? Bryanna Quote:
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12-15-2011, 10:21 PM | #9 | ||
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Hi: I'm a pharmacist, and I've read through these posts, and it does sound very much like you have autoimmune problems going on that could contribute to the paresthesia you now have.
Some researchers have pointed to latent effects of vaccines on susceptible individuals. Obviously, not everyone has problems from vaccines, but we almost never know who will before they receive a vaccine. The damage can show up much later, triggered by many different things. So I would not rule that out, especially since you did have the H1N1 vaccine, a particularly sloppy vaccine. About the vitamins that have been recommended to you: Vitamin D3 is so helpful for almost everything in our bodies (since it's not really a vitamin but a hormone). Get tested, but I'll bet you are low since most people are, and then get started on 5000 units-10,000 units a day, retest in 3 months. Niacin (B3) is more commonly prescribed for cholesterol, up to 6 g a day max. I don't know that I would jump on board on that one. The B vitamins, in general (with some exceptions), are meant to be taken together in balanced quantities. I don't find the same information that your doctor said about it. B12 is an exception because if you're deficient, you would supplement with just B12. You could just start on this, but get tested first to avoid wasting your money on a supplement you don't need. Our absorption of B12 from food decreases with age because our stomachs produce less acid, which is required to absorb B12. So an older person taking the same amount of B12 as a younger person will derive less benefit! Good luck to you. It's complex, and it may turn out to be multi-factorial (as I suspect). Stacy |
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12-16-2011, 07:47 AM | #10 | ||
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Originally I was thinking that I was dealing with an articaine reaction, but now I think that it may actually be mulit-faceted. I'll keep you posted. |
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