Thanks Bryanna on the myrrh....I'm just so NOT wanting to do dental work...I'm exhausted from so much pain from the hip surgery and my body and DREAD anymore trauma. I may see a NEW dentist soon. Thanks again.

I've kept this area going without dental work for maybe 10 yrs.

Hello, Bryanna.

Thank you so much. You've been so helpful and I am always relieved whenever I see that you've replied. And I am going to try the home remedies. Thank you again.

I actually had a worst canker sore before and it was on my tongue, it was too bad. However I could not remember if it also disturbed my sleep because of pain.
I mean, I am afraid that the pain I am having doesn't come from this sore, since I have felt the same pain when I had my tooth pulled on August. After almost two months post op the pain was like a toothache, even worse than that. So, I visited my dentist and he told me there was nothing wrong with the socket and it has already healed, but the gums around the tooth beside it was swollen and very red, and so he took it off. And that's the issue I am going through now. Still feeling the same pain like the August extraction. I am so confused. Even if my dentist would tell me that it's just because of the sore. Your thoughts, Bryanna?

Again and again, thank you!

Xx

Hi caroline,

I completely understand your concern about adding further trauma to your system and appreciate your hesitation about dealing with this root canaled tooth as that could include decisions about other teeth related to this bridge. However at the very same time I think you realize that a chronic infection anyplace in your body can not only jeopardize the integrity of your hip replacement but it can also cause other systemic health problems.

Root canaled teeth are a chronic source of bacterial infection and inflammation. The oral cavity and the jaw bone are highly vascular which means that both good and bad bacteria living in our mouths and jaw bone continuously travels throughout our bodily systems and organs. You have managed to reduce the obvious physical symptoms of your infected tooth for 10 years, but that does not in any way mean that the infection is not present all of the time.

I am not trying to convince you to seek dental care as that is your personal decision. I am just here to inform you and others reading these posts that once a tooth is root canaled it is a constant source of infection and an absence or decrease in physical symptoms of that infection should not be misunderstood as a resolution of the infection.

I hope you know that I am here to help, not hinder
Bryanna

Hi maiamontilla,

I am going to re post some of your thread and reply in bold type. This will make it a bit easier to follow. If you are comfortable with sharing more information, please send a reply to my questions. Thanks

<<I actually had a worst canker sore before and it was on my tongue, it was too bad. However I could not remember if it also disturbed my sleep because of pain.>>

ARE YOU PRONE TO CANKER SORES? DO YOU GET THEM FREQUENTLY? DO YOU HAVE A HERPES ZOSTER VIRUS? DO YOU HAVE AN AUTO IMMUNE DISORDER? ARE YOU ON MEDICATION OR ANTIHISTAMINES THAT CAUSE YOU TO HAVE A DRY MOUTH?

<<I mean, I am afraid that the pain I am having doesn't come from this sore, since I have felt the same pain when I had my tooth pulled on August. After almost two months post op the pain was like a toothache, even worse than that. So, I visited my dentist and he told me there was nothing wrong with the socket and it has already healed, but the gums around the tooth beside it was swollen and very red, and so he took it off.>>

WERE THESE TWO TEETH ROOT CANALED PRIOR TO THE EXTRACTIONS?
WHAT IS THE GENERAL HEALTH OF YOUR TEETH AND GUMS? DO YOU HAVE REGULAR DENTAL CARE OR JUST WHEN SOMETHING HURTS?
I ASSUME WHEN YOU SAY "HE TOOK IT OFF" YOU MEAN THE DENTIST EXTRACTED THE TOOTH AND THAT THE RECENT EXTRACTIONS WERE TEETH NEXT TO EACH OTHER. IS THAT CORRECT?

Bryanna, thanks for your comments, I know what you are saying, but I'm just having a huge problem going to get all these teeth and bridge next to it removed. I've kept it under control for about 10 yrs I think.

This recent flare up about 2 weeks ago hit me with pain and I WAS considering going to a dentist, but yesterday I started with 70/30 DMSO, added some collodial silver and clove oil and have had no pain for going on two days. Have this solution in a 1 oz dark dropper bottle and add drops to that area 3 times a day or so. I've been working with DMSO for some yrs as I'm on a DMSO group and they are so helpful. Many want to save trips to dentist and some would go directly to dentist for what I'm dealing with.

I have root canaled front upper teeth with crowns and they are about 40 yrs old...never a problem....but this last job over 10 yrs ago, not the same outcome.

http://dmsobenefits.blogspot.com/201...m-disease.html

I'm not suggesting this for anyone else but what feels right for me at this point.

A friend who also had a hip replacement the same year I did and she's 10 yrs older than me, had a tooth issue a couple yrs ago and went and did all the work the dentist did and she got a crown and says she has pain there to this day.

So thanks for all your good advice and I may end up yet getting the molar dug out and whatever they need to do. Right now, no pain, all is quiet with the treatment I'm doing.

caroline,

I think it's important to clarify the issue of chronic oral infection so that anyone reading these posts gets an accurate understanding of the subject and does not assume if they apply a topical medicament that their infected tooth or their gum disease will be cured.

The article on DMSO is very informative and I can see how a lay person would think that the author was making reference to various tooth and gum infections. However from a professional viewpoint, this article is referencing dental problems associated with gum disease called periodontal disease, not root canaled teeth. DMSO, like any other medicament cannot penetrate the dentin tubules of the tooth. In all root canaled teeth, the bacteria initially resides in the microscopic dentin tubules and proliferates from there. So when you use an oral, topical or inject able anti bacterial/antiseptic medicament in your mouth it can only reach the colonies of bacteria that partially surround the tooth. It does not go into the tooth at all. Acute symptoms may subside as the bacteria is reduced in those localized areas but the source of the infection is still the tooth and it is still filtering through the blood.

Symptoms are just a clinical sign that something is wrong. They are not an indication of the severity of a problem. This is true for various physical disorders such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc and not just tooth related problems.

Forty years ago the root canal procedure was similar to what it is today with a few exceptions. One is fancier, sharper instruments and another is the usage of formocresol. That toxin was used 100% of the time during the rc procedure up until about 15-18 years ago. It is still used today, but with much less frequency because the toxicity of it has become well known to cause health problems. I mention this because I assume from your posts here that you are concerned about your health and put a lot of time into seeking to become better informed on your health.

It is always a personal decision to choose extraction or retention of root canaled teeth and no one here is trying to convince you either way. You can only do what you feel is best for you.

Bryanna

Hi, Bryanna.

Thank you again for the reply. Here are the answers to your questions.

No, I am not prone to canker sore. The one that I had on my tongue was the only sore that I could remember (or maybe because it hit me too bad) and it happened a couple of years ago, but I'm pretty sure I'm not prone and don't get it frequently. And I don't have Herpes Zepros Virus, it's actually my first time to hear that, so I googled it and yes, negative. Also, I am not going thru Auto Immune Disorder and the only medication I am having is the antibiotic which my dentist told me to continue and it's my last day of taking those.

Sorry, I forgot to tell you that the first tooth pulled on August has undergone Root Canal, last 2012. And on July, this year, it has been aching everyday. So, I visited my dentist and have it extracted. There was pus all over the tooth and he said, it was the cause of my suffering. He even told me that the Root Canal was not succesfully done because there should be a certain "stuff" (sorry, I forgot the word) inserted in
the tooth. After the op, I thought my agony was over, but still and all, I continue feeling the burden. Until, it affects the tooth next to it (yes, the one that I first consulted with you and the one with canker sore)

The general health of my teeth and gums, I may say, is pretty fine. My gums are somewhat pinkish and other teeth are not giving me pain and I have no "black tooth". But, my bad, I don't go and have regular dental check up, not unless I am hurting. Though, I just had prophylaxis, but I don't do it every after 6 months. And I really regret that I did not take so much care of my dental health cos if I did, assumably, I am not going thru this burden.

I hope I clearly answered everything.

And by the way, Bryanna, I've noticed yesterday that my gums on the side of the socket (near the cheek) is swollen and it has a white dot on the middle. Is it just normal?

I guess everyday the amount of pain is increasing, instead of subsiding. And I am honestly tired. My dentist told me to avoid stress, but this is causing me too much of it. I also apologize if I have a lot of concerns, Bryanna, but I'm more comfortable opening up my burden with you than my dentist who loves to give me "maybe" answers.

Endless thanks.

Xx

Hi maiamontilla,

Thank you for answering the questions

When you had your dental cleaning, did the hygienist do a full mouth series of xrays? That would be 18-20 xrays. I ask that because the only way to help diagnose cavities, infection, bone loss, etc is to take xrays of all of the teeth. Without them, the visual oral examination is limited. Our teeth can look really healthy visually, but radio graphically have problems.

I think you may have something going on in that area of your mouth where the teeth have been extracted that may be related to the root canaled tooth that you had removed in August. Based on your description, that rc tooth was severely infected and it is very possible that it had infected the tooth next to it, the recently extracted one. I also think the dentist may not have cleaned out the extractions sites very well when he removed the teeth. It is imperative that a thorough debridement (scraping) of the bone be done with every tooth extraction. If it is not done, then infection will continue to linger irrelevant of taking antibiotics. Unfortunately, many general dentists do not take the time to debride the bone. The lingering pain, the swelling, the sores and now the formation of a white dot on the gums are indicative of an ongoing problem. I would recommend that you consult with an oral surgeon to evaluate that area of your mouth.

If you have not had it done already, ideally you should have a full mouth series of xrays done to help establish the health of your teeth, bone and gums. All of those xrays along with any previous xrays of the problem area of your mouth should be shown to the oral surgeon for proper and thorough evaluation.

Bryanna

Hi, Bryanna.

You are totally right. After the tooth was extracted (the one that was root canaled), he just showed me the pus and then we're done. He did not conduct xrays, too.

So, if there's something going on inside the gums, am I going to undergo gum surgery?

I am going to visit an oral surgeon today and hopefully, she is as best as you.

Thank you so much, Bryanna.

Xx

Hello, Bryanna.

I visited an oral surgeon this morning and she said, I might have an abscess and it seems that she has seen pus in my gum socket. I told her that I wanted to get an x ray since none of my medicine could heal the problem and I am too worried cos I've been taking meds for almost 3 months already and I also shared your thoughts regarding the tooth with a lot of pus, that was root canaled. So, she asked for the brand of antibiotics that I've been taking and assumed that they give no effect (since the med that was prescribed by my previous dentist was generic) and she then recommended Dalacin C. If it still won't work after 3 days, then that's the time that I would get an x ray.

Did she do the right thing, Bryanna? And if nothing changes after 3 days, what is she going to do? Is she going to open my gums? That thought pretty scares me. -_-

Xx