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Old 01-20-2013, 05:45 PM #11
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Montos,

Without any doubt whatsoever... do your own research... there is no way to rid the tooth of formocresol. Yes, the cotton pellet is dipped in the liquid and then gently tapped on a cotton gauze pad so it is not dripping wet. Ask yourself this... if the cotton pellet did not have a significant amount of formocresol left on it when she pakced it in your tooth... what would have been the purpose of using it in the first place?? Your "good guy" dentist did not want to speak ill of the emergency dentist. They cover each others back.

My background in dentistry to date is 35 yrs of four and six handed chair-side assisting, dental radiography and patient advocacy. I have not seen formocresol used in dentistry in over 15 yrs. Why? Because it is horrifically toxic to not only the patient, but to every one who breathes the vapors. Although it is still taught to dental students in some dental schools, so are mercury fillings. The dentists who concerned about the systemic affects of toxins like formocresol do not use it in their practices.

The formocresol literally leaches out of your tooth into your tissue, into your bloodstream, into your brain........ it knows no barrier. Can this make you ill? Yes.

You are wasting your time if you consult with an endodontist. They are the ones who advocate root canal therapy irrelevant of the systemic consequences. They do this for a living and a very lucrative living at that.

The longer the tooth is present... the more widespread and permanent the problem. In addition to this toxic issue, all root canaled teeth are infected because there is no access to the tiny canals which will continue to harbor infected nerve material. So ask yourself this...... am I comfortable living with a chronically infected, inflamed and toxic tooth that is only 4 inches from my brain?

Also, please be careful when bloggers on the net who have no educated background in dentistry give you their version of what is happening to you or what will happen to you. Please don't let anyone scare you from using your own intuition about what is best for you..... everyone is unique in that we all come away with a different response or different point of view to something that may or may not be similar. Unfortunately, people are horribly misinformed about dental treatment and without the proper knowledge their statements are sometimes a bit misconstrued.

Your best bet is to see an oral surgeon and explain your concerns about the formocresol. You are not looking for him to point blame or negligence in any direction... you just want to be informed about the systemic consequences of this being used. I have assisted on thousands of extractions of teeth and many in your condition .... I have no doubt that this tooth is black as coal and very sick.

I have no reason for posting anything here that is not factual. These are not my opinion, they are fact. Do your research on formocresol toxicity.

Let us know how you make out...
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Bryanna,

Thanks for the response. Yeah, if I had known she was going to use formocresol I would have bolted. My understanding is that they dip cotton in it and wring it out so it's just the vapours and not actually liquid like they still use on kid's teeth (which I can't believe!).

My regular dentist, who is a pretty decent guy, said he took extra care to irrigate the tooth before filing. (he personally does not use formocresol or amalgam and I never considered asking the first emergency dentist since she was quite young and I just assumed)

My question is that at this point if the formocresol or the calcium hydroxide or the gutta percha has injured the nerve would extraction make the situation worse?

I now have burning sensations that move from my cheek to my forehead to my jaw (the entire trigeminal distribution) and this scares the crap out of me. If I never see a dentist again it will be too soon. I just don't want to make things worse.

I go to an endodontist on tuesday. What do you suggest I ask them?

You have seen this before? Have you seen it go away?
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Bryanna,

Thank you for your opinion. Yesterday the burning went down but now I am in terrible pain that moves from my upper tooth to my lower teeth to the front of my ear. It is almost as bad as when I first went for the root canal only nothing helps to take it away.

I'm just afraid that if this tooth is close to the nerve and this is the cause of all my problems then might not extraction make this worse?

How big a procedure is extracting a this molar? I've read it can cause a hole into the maxillary sinus that can be quite bad. I just don't want to replace one problem with a bigger one.
I don't care about the cost or the pain of the extraction, I just don't want this to get worse.

So you have seen people like me get better from this? Could this be a sinus infection perhaps?

God this sucks.
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Montos.

The pain is coming from the infected tooth. Any pain that you experience after the removal will not be associated with the tooth. It will be from the infection that has irritated the sinus and the surrounding bone. The sooner you have this tooth removed, the more likely you are to heal without long term residual pain. In your case it is not wise to have a bone graft put in at the same time as the removal because there is too much inflammation. You can do that later on after the area has healed and the pain is completely gone.

To remove this tooth is not trading one problem for another. It is getting rid of the source of your problem, period, before it gets worse.

This may be a complicated extraction because the tooth is very brittle and infected. Oral surgeons deal with this exact issue every day. At this point the sinus may or may not be involved. If you wait, the sinus will definitely be involved because the infection will spread into that area. The extraction usually does not create a problem with the sinus unless the sinus is already involved.

Yes, most people recover completely after the root canaled tooth is removed and the site is surgically debrided. Most definitely. Sometimes there are some complications that need to be treated but these are due to the long term infection. SO the sooner you have it out, the less likely you will have long term problems.

I know this sucks really bad. I hear ya! I am so sorry you were offered the root canal in the first place. I see this nonsense every day.... makes me so sad to see people go through this. Please use your intuition... let your pain guide you in the best direction.

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Thank you for your opinion. Yesterday the burning went down but now I am in terrible pain that moves from my upper tooth to my lower teeth to the front of my ear. It is almost as bad as when I first went for the root canal only nothing helps to take it away.

I'm just afraid that if this tooth is close to the nerve and this is the cause of all my problems then might not extraction make this worse?

How big a procedure is extracting a this molar? I've read it can cause a hole into the maxillary sinus that can be quite bad. I just don't want to replace one problem with a bigger one.
I don't care about the cost or the pain of the extraction, I just don't want this to get worse.

So you have seen people like me get better from this? Could this be a sinus infection perhaps?

God this sucks.
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So today was a lot of pain. I flossed my teeth tonight and I CAN SMELL THE FORMOCRESOL ON THE FLOSS. Oh crap. I need this tooth pulled now.

It has been 28 days since it was put in and syptoms have been getting slowly worse. Do you think it is too late to reverse this? I read about the sargenti paste people and how terrible that stuff is but you never hear if any recovered just the lawsuits of those who didn't.

Formaldehyde mummifies the tissues but there is no major nerves around that area are there? Can some healing take place I wonder? Oh wow. I need this done now.
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I posted a link on this forum awhile back that said if you go to an endodontist, expect a root canal. Period. That is their training, that's what they know, that is what they are very likely to give you.

I think you should trust your instincts, do your research, get opinions from dentists, oral surgeons, etc. and move forward with some plan of action.

I hope and pray you are able to secure the opinion and services of a highly trained, intelligent and caring expert and get good/safe relief.
I just said a prayer for your wellbeing.
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Montos,

BINGO..... the formocresol is present and always will be present in that tooth. It is irrelevant of the quantity, it is toxic no matter what. It is imperative to have that tooth removed and have the site surgically debrided very thoroughly as soon as possible. The longer you wait the more the toxin proliferates. You are fortunate that it's only been 28 days. People live with this situation for years because their dentist is ignorant to the systemic consequences and tells them it's not a problem. These people end up sick.... autoimmune diseases.... parkinsons.... cancer..... the list goes on and on.

I have been saying for years ...... most people have ONE thing in common and that is similar dental work on their teeth. People do not develop illness for no reason. Even if we are genetically pre disposed to an illness, we still have to be a host to get sick. Toxins play havoc on our immune system making us a host for illness.

Healing can only start to occur after the source of the problem is removed. The source is your infected, inflamed, toxic tooth. You will have to deal with the aftermath whatever it may be and you will heal. But the longer you wait, the worse the circumstances will be.

I am so sorry to give you this information. I am so sorry to be so blunt but these are the facts and you have the right to be informed of them.

Keep in touch here....
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So today was a lot of pain. I flossed my teeth tonight and I CAN SMELL THE FORMOCRESOL ON THE FLOSS. Oh crap. I need this tooth pulled now.

It has been 28 days since it was put in and syptoms have been getting slowly worse. Do you think it is too late to reverse this? I read about the sargenti paste people and how terrible that stuff is but you never hear if any recovered just the lawsuits of those who didn't.

Formaldehyde mummifies the tissues but there is no major nerves around that area are there? Can some healing take place I wonder? Oh wow. I need this done now.
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So I went the the endodontist today to evaluate my root canal. He said radiographically it looked good and then I told him my concerns about formocresol. He was an older dentist so I didn't have high hopes.

He was shocked and actually called the other office in front of me to confirm it was indeed formocresol. He kept saying how concerned he was and did nothing to aliviate my fears. When I told him he was scaring me he said "I just want to tell you the facts".

He suggested I talk to a neurologist and/or ENT about this. I told him I was going to see an oral surgeon friday and he suggested I speak to him as well since he wasn't certain if removal of the tooth would be helpful.

Needless to say he scared the crap out of me. I called my general dentist and we talked for 45minutes about this. As I say he is a nice guy. He suggested I talk to the oral surgeon as well if for nothing else but documentation purposes in a worse case scenerio. He felt that this was a simple extraction and he could do it if I wanted. Because I have been getting worse everyday I opted to have the tooth removed tonight.

He scrpaed the area thoroughly afterwards and cleaned it then did an xray that saw 2 small pieces of material in the bone which he then removed.

I still see my oral surgeon on thursday for a consultation but I felt I needed this tooth out RIGHT NOW if it wasn't already too late.

So far so good afterwards, minimal pain (after 600mg of ibuprofen) and the bleeding seems to have stopped.

THe tooth smelled faintly of formocresol, the dentist agreed with me.

I know the feelings of some people here towards root canals so I imagine endodontists are not their favorite people but the guy today was knowledgable and I liked how he didn't try to hide or make excuses for the first dentist but rather was fairly open in his condemnation "formocresol hasn't been the standard of practice for half a century".

Next stop oral surgeon and the neurologist I guess. I'm really hoping that this a sensitivity issue and that now the vapours are gone the problem may get better, even a little would be nice.

I hope I did the right thing. I'm going to take pain meds round the clock till all pain (fairly minor anyway) is gone. I don't want any nerves firing off crazily sensitizing things if I can prevent it.
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I posted a link on this forum awhile back that said if you go to an endodontist, expect a root canal. Period. That is their training, that's what they know, that is what they are very likely to give you.

I think you should trust your instincts, do your research, get opinions from dentists, oral surgeons, etc. and move forward with some plan of action.

I hope and pray you are able to secure the opinion and services of a highly trained, intelligent and caring expert and get good/safe relief.
I just said a prayer for your wellbeing.
Thanks Vowel Lady, I said one for you too.

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I am so glad you got another opinion and got that tooth removed. I didn't know much about formocresol until I looked it up. You did the right thing, just from what I read. I hope you heal quickly, and that there are no more problems for you. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers while you heal. ginnie
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No lie...I have tears in my eyes. I've come to realize that I might be developing PTSD or something akin to it when it comes to dentists sand dental issues. My friend went to the dentist the other day and I felt sadness until she told me she was "ok." My husband is the same way and I wish I was exaggerating when I tell you, he refuses to even get his teeth cleaned. Even I tell him that is foolish, but he is actually worse than myself (if that is possible). I went to a professional Monday re: getting some help for my ATN and to my SHOCK AND HORROR she told me a relative of hers is in Dental School and HE is NOT optimistic about dentists!!! He is very bright as he came from another very difficult profession and has other advanced degrees first. She reported that he told her the other day that 99% of his classmates don't seem to understand the material and he is literally terrified of what is going to become of them when they actually get their degree and become dentists. All this was unsolicited. I told her my story (the super short/unemotional version) and she told me THAT and then added to be very careful when chosing a dentist. AMEN. That is the message that I try to say here. PLEASE! And so many of us are caught off guard with pain or have faith in the dentist because, after all, he or she went to "dental school." And getting second opinion is often difficult, time consuming and/or expensive. But it is vitally important. Wishing you continued good healing Montos.
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