[chrisinireland]

Bryanna you sure seem to know what your talking about with teeth and all you effort and information posted is greatly appreciated indeed please know that! i have a dead tooth at the top left from (incisor) and it was infected and there now is quite a large bone hard lump above that tooth, i was told that a root canal would clear it but as im a holistic person i have researched all about root canals but this lump is there because the tooth is there still and it is in the bone right? , how can this be cleaned out and made infection free completely?

Chris

[Bryanna]

Hi Chris,

Thank you for your kind words. I try to help as much as I can.

I have a sense that you already know what I am going to say but......
The only way to remove the infection is to remove the source...... which is the tooth. As long as you have the tooth, irrelevant of what is done to it, you will have the infection.

There is access to the tiny canals inside of the tooth. Therefore there is no way to clean them out meaning they will always harbor necrotic nerve tissue. This bacteria eats through the tooth and the ligament and travels into the jawbone. Based on your description, the bacteria has already proliferated into the jawbone. To have an apicoectomy done... this is a barbaric surgical procedure in which a window is made in the jawbone above the tooth and the infected cyst is somewhat scraped out.... does nothing to cure the infection inside of the tooth. So the method of "cleaning it out" via an apicoectomy is useless, painful and very expensive. In fact the apico actually causes further trauma, injury and inflammation in the already diseased jaw bone.

I know this is not what you had hoped to hear...... however, it is the truth of the matter and your dentist may or may not inform you of this at this time. Usually a dentist will inform the patient about this after the procedure fails. I know that's not comforting to hear..... but again it's the truth.

You said you have done some research on root canals.... have you seen this article by Dr Mercola??

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ot-canals.aspx

We're here if you have more questions....
Bryanna

Originally Posted by chrisinireland

Bryanna you sure seem to know what your talking about with teeth and all you effort and information posted is greatly appreciated indeed please know that! i have a dead tooth at the top left from (incisor) and it was infected and there now is quite a large bone hard lump above that tooth, i was told that a root canal would clear it but as im a holistic person i have researched all about root canals but this lump is there because the tooth is there still and it is in the bone right? , how can this be cleaned out and made infection free completely?

Chris

[threeputt]

Chris
I will post what I went thourgh and what Byranna suggested to me. Yes she does know what she is talking about also. I can 100% assume you of that. All Dentists want to save your teeth, that I know. Its their job. I also would think if a tooth can be saved then by all means please try to save it. If you tooth is infected there are things that Dentists do to try and save them. The success rate is very low in most all cases and they all know that.

In my case I had a canine tooth that was infected and the Oral surgeon give me one last choice to do an Appico on it after I was already in the chair ready for the extraction. Bryanna had already told me they would suggest this because its their job. I told them I knew about the success rate and being I am almost age 66 and had that infected tooth for way to long just snatch it out. After it was removed he said I made the right decision. He also called my local dentist and told them the same thing which impressed me about him. They called me yesterday and told me that.

What Bryanna is telling you is if you want to be 100% sure the infection is removed then the only for sure way is extract that tooth. I know you do not want to hear that but it is the truth. The infected tooth that I had removed was full of infection and should have been removed years ago. Instead they did an Appico on it many years ago and now I have a large V sized area in my gum from years of infection that eat away at the bone. If they would have removed that tooth years ago I could have saved probably 2 grand I spent on it trying to save it.

I know you can read on the internet where dentists do root canals everyday with great success. I will tell you what a good Dentist friend of mine told me many years ago. Pass on those root canals. He was one of the smartest and best dentist in our area and he knew what he was talking about. He came up way before the root canal fad started. He died about 7 years ago at the age of 78.

Ask you dentist if there is anything that will 100% save an infected tooth. Then ask them if you remove it will the infection be gone? I would like to know their answer.

Bryanna has seem this type thing for 35 years and again I can assure you she knows what she is talking about and she will not lead you in the wrong area. I am a witness to this first hand. I wish I could repay her because she saved me probably $ 800 of my hard earned money.
Tom

[chrisinireland]

Hi Bryanna

Yes I sure understand regarding the tiny tubule canals in the tooth heres another few points regarding such, 1, the tooth in question has been filed down to a stump for a crown so would there be as many of the canals accessibility and 2, this specialist endontic suggested that he would fill the tooth with a substance call Biodentine with is kind of like a calcium hydroxide which apparently expands somewhat once it is inserted into the main root canal however I am wondering how this would work with the periodontal ligament, overall bottom line is get the tooth extracted period right 100%?

[chrisinireland]

Hi

Thank you so much for your feedback on this subject, greatly appreciated. Yes I do now understand that the only way to be free from infection is get the tooth removed though im sure you have heard of specialist people say you need the ligament removed as well as some on the bone socket scraped away to avoid any possible infection of cavitation there right, whats your view on this? or im of the opinion that when the tooth is removed it will naturally clean and heal itself hence it can drain fully etc.

Originally Posted by threeputt

Chris
I will post what I went thourgh and what Byranna suggested to me. Yes she does know what she is talking about also. I can 100% assume you of that. All Dentists want to save your teeth, that I know. Its their job. I also would think if a tooth can be saved then by all means please try to save it. If you tooth is infected there are things that Dentists do to try and save them. The success rate is very low in most all cases and they all know that.

In my case I had a canine tooth that was infected and the Oral surgeon give me one last choice to do an Appico on it after I was already in the chair ready for the extraction. Bryanna had already told me they would suggest this because its their job. I told them I knew about the success rate and being I am almost age 66 and had that infected tooth for way to long just snatch it out. After it was removed he said I made the right decision. He also called my local dentist and told them the same thing which impressed me about him. They called me yesterday and told me that.

What Bryanna is telling you is if you want to be 100% sure the infection is removed then the only for sure way is extract that tooth. I know you do not want to hear that but it is the truth. The infected tooth that I had removed was full of infection and should have been removed years ago. Instead they did an Appico on it many years ago and now I have a large V sized area in my gum from years of infection that eat away at the bone. If they would have removed that tooth years ago I could have saved probably 2 grand I spent on it trying to save it.

I know you can read on the internet where dentists do root canals everyday with great success. I will tell you what a good Dentist friend of mine told me many years ago. Pass on those root canals. He was one of the smartest and best dentist in our area and he knew what he was talking about. He came up way before the root canal fad started. He died about 7 years ago at the age of 78.

Ask you dentist if there is anything that will 100% save an infected tooth. Then ask them if you remove it will the infection be gone? I would like to know their answer.

Bryanna has seem this type thing for 35 years and again I can assure you she knows what she is talking about and she will not lead you in the wrong area. I am a witness to this first hand. I wish I could repay her because she saved me probably $ 800 of my hard earned money.
Tom

[Bryanna]

Tom....

Thank you for all of your kind words

I am so glad you were open to the information I was giving you..... in spite of the information that your dentists were giving you. Like you said.. the dentist confirmed the tooth needed to come out..... after the fact.

Bryanna

Originally Posted by threeputt

Chris
I will post what I went thourgh and what Byranna suggested to me. Yes she does know what she is talking about also. I can 100% assume you of that. All Dentists want to save your teeth, that I know. Its their job. I also would think if a tooth can be saved then by all means please try to save it. If you tooth is infected there are things that Dentists do to try and save them. The success rate is very low in most all cases and they all know that.

In my case I had a canine tooth that was infected and the Oral surgeon give me one last choice to do an Appico on it after I was already in the chair ready for the extraction. Bryanna had already told me they would suggest this because its their job. I told them I knew about the success rate and being I am almost age 66 and had that infected tooth for way to long just snatch it out. After it was removed he said I made the right decision. He also called my local dentist and told them the same thing which impressed me about him. They called me yesterday and told me that.

What Bryanna is telling you is if you want to be 100% sure the infection is removed then the only for sure way is extract that tooth. I know you do not want to hear that but it is the truth. The infected tooth that I had removed was full of infection and should have been removed years ago. Instead they did an Appico on it many years ago and now I have a large V sized area in my gum from years of infection that eat away at the bone. If they would have removed that tooth years ago I could have saved probably 2 grand I spent on it trying to save it.

I know you can read on the internet where dentists do root canals everyday with great success. I will tell you what a good Dentist friend of mine told me many years ago. Pass on those root canals. He was one of the smartest and best dentist in our area and he knew what he was talking about. He came up way before the root canal fad started. He died about 7 years ago at the age of 78.

Ask you dentist if there is anything that will 100% save an infected tooth. Then ask them if you remove it will the infection be gone? I would like to know their answer.

Bryanna has seem this type thing for 35 years and again I can assure you she knows what she is talking about and she will not lead you in the wrong area. I am a witness to this first hand. I wish I could repay her because she saved me probably $ 800 of my hard earned money.
Tom

[Bryanna]

Hi Chris,

The dentin tubules are located beyond the dentin throughout the entire tooth... including the root structure. People often think that once the top portion of the tooth above the gumline (referred to as the crown of the tooth) is shaved down that there is no tooth structure remaining. The fact is that the roots of the tooth are still present and they have the same anatomical components as the crown portion of the tooth.

I am posting a link of a very detailed diagram of a tooth. The black curvy lines throughout the tooth represent the dentin tubules. So you can see how there would be no access to these canals..... imagine these tiny canals harboring necrotic nerve tissue. That's a lot of bacteria! The "passageway for nerves and blood vessels" called the root canal (labeled on the right of the diagram) are the only areas that are instrumented during the rc procedure. At the end of each root, you will see how the blood vessel connects from inside of the tooth through a hole directly into the blood vessel in the jawbone. During a root canal procedure, these vessels are severed and the hole at the end of the root is plugged up. Therefore the tooth is no longer nourished by the blood. So imagine what happens to the nerve tissue inside of the dentin tubules when there is no longer and nourishment. The periodontal ligament outlines the entire root structure of the tooth and it requires blood to remain vital. Once the blood supply is cut off, this ligament will no longer be vital and it too becomes necrotic tissue. This sets off a chain reaction of inflammation causing an ischemic response in the bone.

After you review this diagram you can see..... it is irrelevant of what is done to the infected tooth.... there is no procedure or medicament to "save" this tooth from being chronically infected.

Here's the link...
http://www.mouthhealthy.org/az-topics/t/tooth.aspx

Please give us your feedback.
Bryanna

Originally Posted by chrisinireland

Hi Bryanna

Yes I sure understand regarding the tiny tubule canals in the tooth heres another few points regarding such, 1, the tooth in question has been filed down to a stump for a crown so would there be as many of the canals accessibility and 2, this specialist endontic suggested that he would fill the tooth with a substance call Biodentine with is kind of like a calcium hydroxide which apparently expands somewhat once it is inserted into the main root canal however I am wondering how this would work with the periodontal ligament, overall bottom line is get the tooth extracted period right 100%?

[Bryanna]

Chris,

Regarding the periodontal ligament...
Think of the ligament as an elastic band that provides a cushion for the tooth to rest comfortably in the jawbone. This ligament is meant to be a live nutritional blanket that not only feeds the tooth nutrition but also protects the tooth from harm. So yes, you do need to have the ligament removed and the necrotic bone scraped when the tooth is extracted. The immune system cannot be expected to clean this dead debris and bacteria out through any draining process. The necrosis has got to be physically removed or it will continue to fester.

A couple anatomical examples.....

When a child is born, there is the afterbirth called the placenta. If that were left in place, the entire abdominal cavity would become ridden with bacteria risking the life of the women.

When a orthopedic surgery does a joint replacement.... if he does not scrape the bone clear prior to placing the replacement, any residual bacteria would lead to infection, loss of joint and put the patient at an increased risk of systemic infection.

The mouth is no different than any other place in or on the body. Unfortunately the dental and medical profession need to move a bit faster in recognizing how important our dental health is for our overall health. Because that is what is truly needed for people to become better informed.

Bryanna

Originally Posted by chrisinireland

Hi

Thank you so much for your feedback on this subject, greatly appreciated. Yes I do now understand that the only way to be free from infection is get the tooth removed though im sure you have heard of specialist people say you need the ligament removed as well as some on the bone socket scraped away to avoid any possible infection of cavitation there right, whats your view on this? or im of the opinion that when the tooth is removed it will naturally clean and heal itself hence it can drain fully etc.

[chrisinireland]

Hi Bryanna

The tooth in question is number 8 upper and my own apparent holistic dentist said that because it is my front tooth and im 34 years old she said no way to loose that and definitely do a root canal, now my opinion on proper holistic dentist would not recommend a root canal period right or am i wrong there? So as I have read in some of your other posts regarding finding the right person/dentist is a nightmare almost as there are so little and as im based in Northern Ireland there is only that one person that im already with. This thing is really affecting my overall health giving me little energy and i so need a fast solution like yesterday

[Bryanna]

Hi Chris,

If you have read anything that I have posted you will understand that to do a root canal will not cure your infected tooth.

Anyone can call themselves Holistic. It is only when they practice true holistic care which basically means providing treatment that does not cause systemic health risks, that they believe holistically.

Dentists are reluctant to tell patients about the health risks of root canal therapy because they make a lot of money doing them. Amongst the dental professionals root canal therapy is referred to as the "cash cow". A dentist who is strongly convicted to the welfare of their patient will provide you with the information that I have here.

Another reason why the dentist is reluctant to suggest removal of this tooth is because it may be complicated or difficult to replace. When this tooth is removed and the bone is debrided, the end result may be a higher bone margin along the gum line. So esthetically the replacement tooth may look different than the tooth next to it. It also may not be a good site for an implant due to the infection so your replacement options may be limited to either a partial denture or a multi unit bridge. These are the things you should be talking about with your dentist.

It is inevitable that you are going to lose that tooth. The longer you keep, the longer you have the infection and the more wide spread it will become. I know that is not what you want to hear... I'm truly sorry but that is the truth of the matter. You need to decide what is in your best interest.... retain an infected tooth for an undisclosed amount of time and deal with systemic consequences or remove the tooth which is the source of infection and proceed with healing and replacement of the tooth.

I wish I could give you a better alternative..... I really do :/

Bryanna

Originally Posted by chrisinireland

Hi Bryanna

The tooth in question is number 8 upper and my own apparent holistic dentist said that because it is my front tooth and im 34 years old she said no way to loose that and definitely do a root canal, now my opinion on proper holistic dentist would not recommend a root canal period right or am i wrong there? So as I have read in some of your other posts regarding finding the right person/dentist is a nightmare almost as there are so little and as im based in Northern Ireland there is only that one person that im already with. This thing is really affecting my overall health giving me little energy and i so need a fast solution like yesterday