[tammy09]

Hi,im 23 yrs old female from india, im a law graduate, 4 months back i hv had a root canal performed on my upper front tooth +1 on the right side.. The root canal was performed after 15 days of my toothache and 4 days after swelling on that area and my dentist had told me that my tooth is fractured as i was hit up on my face n nose.. my dentist performed root canal... it was a single sitting root canal... my tooth was put to drain.. my doctor had told me that my tooth will drain all the pus/infection itself and told me to come after 5 days and on 5th day he filled my tooth but during those five days i had a sensation of infection getting in my nose/sinus area and ears.. ct scan of my ears was done last month but it was normal and pns xray was also done it was also normal.. then what would be the problem ? i get pain in my ears most of the time and also i hv deeloped intolerance towards loud sound.. i get a little balancing problem whenever i hear something loud like a horn or dj or even a dog's bark.. i also experience ringing of my ears and pain in my nose where i felt tht infection.. i was not having all these problems before and no doctor is able to diagnose it and i dont want to remain like this for my lifetime. pls help me .

[tammy09]

No help ??

[Koala77]

I'm sorry that you're still waiting for a reply tammy09, but unfortunately this forum sometimes has periods when it is rather quiet. I do hope that some-one will be along soon to help you out.

I wish I could help you myself tammy09 but I can't .... but I would like to welcome you to Neurotalk just the same. Hoping that you get some answers soon.

[dbpei]

Hi Tammy,
I am sorry for what you are experiencing. I hope that someone will be able to help you. For what it is worth... I have had lots of ear symptoms along with dental symptoms for quite a while now. It is a long story, and I am not sure whether it is relevant to your situation. But I will share anyhow. I apologize in advance for the length of what I am about to write.

In January of 2011, I suddenly lost almost all of my hearing in my left ear. This was followed by roaring tinnitus in that ear and hyperacusis (sensitivity to sound). Shortly after his, I started to experience small internal vibrations or tremor-like feelings in my head and extremities. I also had balance issues and it felt like my head was too heavy for my shoulders! I noticed that I was very fatigued, could not multi-task, and cried easily. Something was definitely not right.

I went from one doctor to the next and was put on a short course of prednisone with the hope that my hearing would return. I saw my PCP, a neurologist, 2 ENT's and neurotologist. They ruled out acoustic neuroma and other things like Lyme disease and MS. I did have one lesion that the brain MRI showed, but it has not changed since that time, so the doctors believe it is a venous malformation that I was born with.

Fast forward... I later learned that I DID have Lyme disease. The testing is not always accurate for this and later testing did show that I not only had a lyme infection, but other tick born co-infections (Rocky Mountain spotted fever, erlichia and anaplasmosis). I have always loved gardening and do recall a few tick bites through the years, but no bulls eye rashes... I went to a lyme specialist for help with this and she felt that I had likely had lyme disease since 2006, when I experienced a strange summer flu. My immune system was fighting it off all those years, but in 2011, my body could no longer manage this illness. That is when I lost my hearing and other symptoms started to develop. With my hearing loss came some nerve damage, that has caused me to lose half of my vestibular functioning on the same side as my hearing loss.

I had LOTS of dental work done in the few years before my hearing loss. My teeth would bother me and the dentist could not find anything wrong with them. I was referred to endodontists, and there would be pain and sensitivity in ALL of my teeth in those locations! So I unfortunately did have a couple of root canals done as well as a dental implant on a tooth that had a failed root canal.

Recently, I learned that one of those teeth that had a root canal had become badly infected. I developed a fistula in the roof of my mouth near the tooth. The bone became infected as well. I had this tooth extracted a couple of weeks ago. I am still experiencing very strange ear symptoms with this. It includes a sensation of fullness or fluid in my ears (especially on left side), strange tinnitus that changes with certain movements as though there is a hole in the bones of my ear. Sometimes people's voices and my own voice really bother me, as though sounds are coming out of a pair of bad speakers with static or buzzing. My guess is that this is from inflammation of the 8th cranial nerve. I also have some ear pain and the sensation of a thick fluid that is moving slowly in my skull - often in the vicinity of my mastoid bone, sinuses, crown, and left side of my face. I believe these are points that the trigeminal nerves go to.

My oral surgeon doesn't know what to make of my symptoms, because they are so strange. My ENT blames this on lyme disease. I wish I knew how to get rid of these symptoms and to avoid any further hearing loss or infection. I was treated for a whole year on antibiotics and don't want to do that to my body again. I have been taking herbs and supplements to boost my immune system. With this latest infected tooth, I have been on Augmentin for one month now. Today was the last day of my prescription. I still feel as though there is an infection in there. I am still waiting for the pathology report of the extracted tooth and bone tissue. Perhaps that will shed some light. (I will post if there is anything we learn...)

I am going to see a holistic dentist who has written a book on Whole Body Dentistry in August. I hope it is okay to post names here. He is Dr. Mark Breiner. I am praying that he will be able to help me. From what I understand, dental problems can become systemic - as can Lyme disease. They both can harm your immune system and cause further damage to other organs and the nervous system. The challenge is to figure out how to stop them in their tracks...

It sounds like your ear symptoms are very recent, following the dental work. I hope that you will be able to find someone who can help you. Lyme disease does exist in India. It has spread all over the world because of bird migration. Although it is unlikely a cause, it is a possibility. Please keep us posted and feel free to private message me.

[Darlene]

Tammy,

It is great to have you come and be with us. You will fine a great number of dear friends to listen when you are in need of ears. Please, just let us know how we can help you out. You will find out we are supportive and relaxing place.

Please keep us up to date on your situation. Again welcome, looking forward to seeing you around. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

[Bryanna]

Hi Tammy,

I am currently the only one on this site who is knowledgeable about dentistry and what I do here is voluntary. I do my very best to be here as often as possible in between working and taking care of my family. So I apologize for the delay in my reply but I hope you understand.

You wrote:
<<< my dentist performed root canal... it was a single sitting root canal... my tooth was put to drain.. my doctor had told me that my tooth will drain all the pus/infection itself and told me to come after 5 days and on 5th day he filled my tooth but during those five days i had a sensation of infection getting in my nose/sinus area and ears.. >>>>

THE INFECTION CANNOT DRAIN FROM A TOOTH MAKING THE TOOTH HEALTHY AGAIN. IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WERE TOLD, IT WAS INACCURATE. ONCE A TOOTH IS INFECTED, IT REMAINS INFECTED IRRELEVANT OF WHAT IS DONE TO IT BECAUSE THE MICROSCOPIC CANALS CANNOT BE CLEANED OUT. THESE CANALS ARE NOT ABLE TO "DRAIN" AS THEY ARE FILLED WITH NERVE TISSUE THAT CANNOT BE ACCESSED OR REMOVED. WHEN A DENTIST LEAVES A TOOTH OPEN TO "DRAIN" THIS INDICATES THAT THE BACTERIA IS ABUNDANT AND IF HE CLOSED UP THE TOOTH YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN IN TREMENDOUS PAIN AND QUITE POSSIBLY ENDURED A LARGE SWELLING. THE ONLY WAY TO REMOVE THE INFECTION IS TO REMOVE THE SOURCE OF THE INFECTION WHICH IS THE TOOTH. YOUR SYMPTOMS MAY VERY WELL INDICATE A SYSTEMIC INFECTION IS BREWING. CT SCANS NEED TO BE SPECIFICALLY "DENTAL" IN ORDER TO PICK UP JAW BONE INFECTION.

I know this is a scary situation for you but you need to understand that this tooth is very unhealthy and is going to be a constant source of infection because there is no procedure that can make it healthy again. Perhaps you could talk with your dentist about removing it and discuss what replacement options you would have.

I wish you well........
Bryanna

Originally Posted by tammy09

Hi,im 23 yrs old female from india, im a law graduate, 4 months back i hv had a root canal performed on my upper front tooth +1 on the right side.. The root canal was performed after 15 days of my toothache and 4 days after swelling on that area and my dentist had told me that my tooth is fractured as i was hit up on my face n nose.. my dentist performed root canal... it was a single sitting root canal... my tooth was put to drain.. my doctor had told me that my tooth will drain all the pus/infection itself and told me to come after 5 days and on 5th day he filled my tooth but during those five days i had a sensation of infection getting in my nose/sinus area and ears.. ct scan of my ears was done last month but it was normal and pns xray was also done it was also normal.. then what would be the problem ? i get pain in my ears most of the time and also i hv deeloped intolerance towards loud sound.. i get a little balancing problem whenever i hear something loud like a horn or dj or even a dog's bark.. i also experience ringing of my ears and pain in my nose where i felt tht infection.. i was not having all these problems before and no doctor is able to diagnose it and i dont want to remain like this for my lifetime. pls help me .

[tammy09]

Originally Posted by Bryanna

Hi Tammy,

I am currently the only one on this site who is knowledgeable about dentistry and what I do here is voluntary. I do my very best to be here as often as possible in between working and taking care of my family. So I apologize for the delay in my reply but I hope you understand.

You wrote:
<<< my dentist performed root canal... it was a single sitting root canal... my tooth was put to drain.. my doctor had told me that my tooth will drain all the pus/infection itself and told me to come after 5 days and on 5th day he filled my tooth but during those five days i had a sensation of infection getting in my nose/sinus area and ears.. >>>>

THE INFECTION CANNOT DRAIN FROM A TOOTH MAKING THE TOOTH HEALTHY AGAIN. IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WERE TOLD, IT WAS INACCURATE. ONCE A TOOTH IS INFECTED, IT REMAINS INFECTED IRRELEVANT OF WHAT IS DONE TO IT BECAUSE THE MICROSCOPIC CANALS CANNOT BE CLEANED OUT. THESE CANALS ARE NOT ABLE TO "DRAIN" AS THEY ARE FILLED WITH NERVE TISSUE THAT CANNOT BE ACCESSED OR REMOVED. WHEN A DENTIST LEAVES A TOOTH OPEN TO "DRAIN" THIS INDICATES THAT THE BACTERIA IS ABUNDANT AND IF HE CLOSED UP THE TOOTH YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN IN TREMENDOUS PAIN AND QUITE POSSIBLY ENDURED A LARGE SWELLING. THE ONLY WAY TO REMOVE THE INFECTION IS TO REMOVE THE SOURCE OF THE INFECTION WHICH IS THE TOOTH. YOUR SYMPTOMS MAY VERY WELL INDICATE A SYSTEMIC INFECTION IS BREWING. CT SCANS NEED TO BE SPECIFICALLY "DENTAL" IN ORDER TO PICK UP JAW BONE INFECTION.

I know this is a scary situation for you but you need to understand that this tooth is very unhealthy and is going to be a constant source of infection because there is no procedure that can make it healthy again. Perhaps you could talk with your dentist about removing it and discuss what replacement options you would have.

I wish you well........
Bryanna

thanks Bryanna for replying... but i dont feel any pain or swelling in that tooth now.. and i dont want to get it removed and my question is still the same ... can it cause the symptoms im experiencing in my ear and nose ? and as you told CT SCANS NEED TO BE SPECIFICALLY "DENTAL" IN ORDER TO PICK UP JAW BONE INFECTION. Doctors have taken so many xrays.. should i go for another ct scan ?

[Bryanna]

Hi tammy,

Pain is in fact not a good indicator of a problem in many physical situations, teeth included. Most of the time there is little to no pain associated with a tooth problem until the infection has spread out of control. In your case the infection has already spread, the root canal procedure itself renders the tooth chronically infected and the bacteria is finding a new place to reside... so when this new area becomes overwhelmed, the pressure will build up and pain will once again be a symptom.

To help you understand the correlation between silent symptoms and the onset of disease, here are some examples of just that.....heart disease, diabetes, lupus, enlarged heart, leukemia, cancer.... etc.

To answer your other question...
<<can it cause the symptoms im experiencing in my ear and nose ? >>

Most definitely any chronic tooth infection can and will spread to other areas of the body including the brain. The mouth is very vascular and the bacteria that resides in the mouth, below the gums, in the jawbone, travels throughout the blood stream. It can be difficult to detect until it is widespread because it finds various places to hide in. Bacteria is especially good at hiding in places that are already weak or compromised. Once the immune system becomes overwhelmed with fighting the bacteria that is when it is more likely to show up in blood work.

<<<CT SCANS NEED TO BE SPECIFICALLY "DENTAL" IN ORDER TO PICK UP JAW BONE INFECTION. Doctors have taken so many xrays.. should i go for another ct scan ?>>>

Most of the time yes they need to be dental scans unless the bacteria has already traveled to the brain or some other organ.. which then the infection would be seen on any CT scan. Even a sinus scan with multiple slices might show where the bacteria has spread to. The problem with regular dental xrays is that they are only 2 dimensional which means depending on how the film is angled determines the view that is picked up on the xray. Dental xrays are typically taken straight on which leaves many views of the area unseen. Some dentists will take a bisecting angle which shows a different view of the same area, but many do not even think to do that.

You need to understand that your root canaled teeth are not healthy and they are going to be a source of chronic infection because the microscopic canals (of which there are many hundreds of them in each tooth) cannot be cleaned out. So the nerve tissue that remains in these canals became necrotic and diseased as soon as the tooth became infected or at the time of the root canal procedure, whichever happened first.

I'm sorry to give you this news, I know you do not want to lose your teeth :/ Your dentists should have informed you that your root canaled teeth will not be cured of infection and that your symptoms are typically seen and associated with root canaled teeth. As you can understand, they are most likely not about to offer you this information now since they already performed the procedure.

I am sorry ... I wish dentists offered their patients more information before performing any dental procedure.

Bryanna

Originally Posted by tammy09

thanks Bryanna for replying... but i dont feel any pain or swelling in that tooth now.. and i dont want to get it removed and my question is still the same ... can it cause the symptoms im experiencing in my ear and nose ? and as you told CT SCANS NEED TO BE SPECIFICALLY "DENTAL" IN ORDER TO PICK UP JAW BONE INFECTION. Doctors have taken so many xrays.. should i go for another ct scan ?

[tammy09]

Originally Posted by Bryanna

Hi tammy,

Pain is in fact not a good indicator of a problem in many physical situations, teeth included. Most of the time there is little to no pain associated with a tooth problem until the infection has spread out of control. In your case the infection has already spread, the root canal procedure itself renders the tooth chronically infected and the bacteria is finding a new place to reside... so when this new area becomes overwhelmed, the pressure will build up and pain will once again be a symptom.

To help you understand the correlation between silent symptoms and the onset of disease, here are some examples of just that.....heart disease, diabetes, lupus, enlarged heart, leukemia, cancer.... etc.

To answer your other question...
<<can it cause the symptoms im experiencing in my ear and nose ? >>

Most definitely any chronic tooth infection can and will spread to other areas of the body including the brain. The mouth is very vascular and the bacteria that resides in the mouth, below the gums, in the jawbone, travels throughout the blood stream. It can be difficult to detect until it is widespread because it finds various places to hide in. Bacteria is especially good at hiding in places that are already weak or compromised. Once the immune system becomes overwhelmed with fighting the bacteria that is when it is more likely to show up in blood work.

<<<CT SCANS NEED TO BE SPECIFICALLY "DENTAL" IN ORDER TO PICK UP JAW BONE INFECTION. Doctors have taken so many xrays.. should i go for another ct scan ?>>>

Most of the time yes they need to be dental scans unless the bacteria has already traveled to the brain or some other organ.. which then the infection would be seen on any CT scan. Even a sinus scan with multiple slices might show where the bacteria has spread to. The problem with regular dental xrays is that they are only 2 dimensional which means depending on how the film is angled determines the view that is picked up on the xray. Dental xrays are typically taken straight on which leaves many views of the area unseen. Some dentists will take a bisecting angle which shows a different view of the same area, but many do not even think to do that.

You need to understand that your root canaled teeth are not healthy and they are going to be a source of chronic infection because the microscopic canals (of which there are many hundreds of them in each tooth) cannot be cleaned out. So the nerve tissue that remains in these canals became necrotic and diseased as soon as the tooth became infected or at the time of the root canal procedure, whichever happened first.

I'm sorry to give you this news, I know you do not want to lose your teeth :/ Your dentists should have informed you that your root canaled teeth will not be cured of infection and that your symptoms are typically seen and associated with root canaled teeth. As you can understand, they are most likely not about to offer you this information now since they already performed the procedure.

I am sorry ... I wish dentists offered their patients more information before performing any dental procedure.

Bryanna

thanks again but i have visited 5 dentists till now and none of them has adviced me to get that tooth pulled out.. moreover they r sayin that its all in your head.. what should i do n what should i tell my dentist now ? and my dentist is telling me that there is no need to get that tooth pulled out

[Bryanna]

Tammy,

If you think your dentists have been truthful with you and you believe your symptoms are not real... that is your prerogative. I am not here to convince you of anything ... I am here to offer you the facts that they have not offered you. It is up to you to explore them ... or not.

Buy the book The Root Canal Coverup by Dr George Meinig
He here a glimpse of Dr Meinig's biography.

Also, The Roots of Disease Connecting Dentistry to Medicine by Dr Robert Kulacz.

Here is a very informative link from a reputable source that explains just how long the "root canal" issue has been going on.
http://www.hugginsappliedhealing.com...nals-toxic.php

You need to believe in what you are experiencing and not allow anyone to convince you otherwise. As I have said... your symptoms are not unusual in patients who have infected and/or root canaled teeth. Most dentists see this situation every single day... many of them choose to re treat it (unsuccessfully) or ignore it until the patient has a severe swelling and or becomes very ill. Why?? #1.. Endodontics (root canal) is the most profitable dental procedure ... #2.. Only those brave enough to go against their peers and risk being ostracized will properly inform you.

I am so sorry you are going through this. Your case is not unusual, it is seen every day in the dental profession. I have given you the information and the resources you need to be your own advocate. What you do with it, is up to you.

I wish you all the best.
Bryanna

Originally Posted by tammy09

thanks again but i have visited 5 dentists till now and none of them has adviced me to get that tooth pulled out.. moreover they r sayin that its all in your head.. what should i do n what should i tell my dentist now ? and my dentist is telling me that there is no need to get that tooth pulled out