[ScaredGal]

I read somewhere that B12 an hour before a Novocain shot helps in making the Novocain more affective , anyone ever hear of this , if it helps I am all for it , as I remember as a kid the shots did not numb me one single bit , also makes me wonder if he did this on purpose

[Bryanna]

Sacred gal,

Do you honestly believe that your child hood dentist did not numb you completely on purpose?? Why would he do such a thing??

Bryanna

Originally Posted by ScaredGal

I read somewhere that B12 an hour before a Novocain shot helps in making the Novocain more affective , anyone ever hear of this , if it helps I am all for it , as I remember as a kid the shots did not numb me one single bit , also makes me wonder if he did this on purpose

[Cordy39]

Originally Posted by Bryanna

Sacred gal,

Do you honestly believe that your child hood dentist did not numb you completely on purpose?? Why would he do such a thing??

Bryanna

Probably not on purpose Bryanna but I have encountered some dentists who are severely lacking in compassion and empathy.

I had one who dentist who instead of giving me antibiotics to clear an abscess, then drilling into it, decided to go ahead there and then with no pain injections even. He drilled right into the pulp then started using files in and out of it, you can imagine how excrutiating this was.

When he saw my eyes watering, not from crying but from how they react when you suffer great pain he said, 'Stop being so ridiculous'. Tbere was absolutely no medical urgency to go ahead and drill into the tooth and I'm sure most dentists thesedays would be shocked at this kind of treatment.

Needless to say I never went back to him and quite likely could have reported him for malpractice. I mean who woukd go ahead and do such a thing when there was no urgency and without pain relief.

So no, I don't think they inflict pain intentionally but I do believe some haven't a clue when it comes to understanding other peoples suffering.

[mrsD]

There is a dentist in my neighborhood who does not use any novocaine. He is quite old now, and possibly retired. But it was a common topic of conversation, how he would not use Novocaine for many years in my area!

I personally cannot imagine it but I do think it does happen.

This is a little off the track but the topic of psychopathy does come up more these days than in the past. This word is broader than what first comes to mind as "serial killers"...etc.

Here is Forbes article about it and the most common occupations they are found in:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellycla...t-psychopaths/

Notice Surgeon? I think Dentist is similar.

To be able to do that job one has to inflict discomfort or pain on people and sensitive types would just flinch at that. We have a surgeon distant relative and he is really "something" and even hard on his dogs!

I am a bit puzzled by the clergy listing however!

But much of our National financial crisis could be linked to psychopathic CEO's stealing from everyone! There is a good book about this
in business, called Snakes in Suits.
http://www.amazon.com/Snakes-Suits-W.../dp/0061147893
I read this book when it first came out at our library....it is really
good! I recommend it highly to learn about this personality trait.
They are pretty common, and we all run into them in our lives, so best be prepared!

So I am not surprised that there could be dentists who inflict pain.

And I am so happy with my current Dentist whom I've had for 30 yrs! He is gentle, explains what he is going to do, and does not cause unnecessary pain in the chair! I can't even feel the needle for the novocaine! I am blessed!

[Bryanna]

Hi Cordy,

No doubt about that... there definitely are dentists who lack in compassion and empathy. Just as there are physicians and nurses who do the same. Anytime a patient is in pain from a procedure they have a strong feeling of violation and helplessness. Usually this experience is never forgotten. I'm going to re post your statement and then explain why that dentist may have done what he did.... but under no uncertain terms should he have continued.

<<<I had one who dentist who instead of giving me antibiotics to clear an abscess, then drilling into it, decided to go ahead there and then with no pain injections even. He drilled right into the pulp then started using files in and out of it, you can imagine how excrutiating this was.>>>

ANTIBIOTICS CANNOT CLEAR AN ABSCESS THAT IS CAUSED BY A TOOTH. THE INITIAL TREATMENT, THE OFFERING OF ANTIBIOTICS AND THE DETERMINATION TO NUMB THE AREA OR NOT DEPENDS ON WHETHER IT IS AN ACUTE OR A CHRONIC INFECTION. WITH AN ACUTE INFECTION, THE LOCAL ANESTHETIC WILL NOT OBTAIN ADEQUATE ANESTHESIA AND ANYTHING THAT IS DONE TO THAT TOOTH WILL HURT. WITH A CHRONIC INFECTION, THE LOCAL ANESTHETIC GENERALLY WORKS WELL AND SHOULD ALWAYS BE GIVEN. SOMETIMES, THE TOOTH APPEARS TO BE NON VITAL AND WHEN THIS IS THE CASE THE DENTIST OFTEN CHOOSES TO FORGO THE ANESTHETIC AS IT WOULD NOT BE NEEDED. HOWEVER IF YOU WERE IN THAT MUCH PAIN...... OBVIOUSLY THE TOOTH HAD SOME VITALITY AND HE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED WHAT HE WAS DOING TO REASSESS THE SITUATION! HIS COMMENT ABOUT YOU BEING RIDICULOUS WAS TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR WITHOUT QUESTION!!

Believe it or not, this type of dentistry is still very much practiced today by some old school dentists who figure they have been practicing this way forever and people still come to see them. I know.... "ridiculous" :/

<<<So no, I don't think they inflict pain intentionally but I do believe some haven't a clue when it comes to understanding other peoples suffering.>>>
I AGREE WITH YOU. THE INFLICTION IS NOT INTENTIONAL "MOST OF THE TIME". THERE ARE TIMES WHEN IT CANNOT BE HELPED BUT THEY ARE A RARITY.

Bryanna

[Cordy39]

Hi Bryanna

I just want to add,unfortunately, I have had a number of abscesses in the past. This was the ONLY dentist who ever did such a thing. Every single other dentist gave me antibiotics for 5 days and only then was prepared to drill into the tooth. All those times the antibiotics worked well enough for the anaesthetic to be successful. What he did was out of sheer bloody mindedness and would not listen to reason. I told my current dentist and he was absolutely appalled.

The actual worst part was those awful files being driven in and out of the tooth. I can still feel it to this today. Almost tantamount to torture with a living tooth . So I can quite understand some people's reluctance to see a dentist as sometimes these horror stories are actually true.

[Bryanna]

Hi Mrs. D,

When I was a kid back in the 60's my dentist did not routinely use novocaine and neither did a lot of others at that time. The main reason being believe it or not was because the injection hurt so bad because they had not perfected the technique yet! Thank God things have improved since then

I will never forget as a child in the dental chair how my dentist would lean down close to my face and say.... do not raise your hands, hold on to the chair instead and be quiet this will not take long!!!! I hate to tell you this but some pediatric dentists still practice this way because the thought of the injection can cause some children to get a bit unruly. Other dentists jack up the nitrous oxide so the kid is almost passed out during the procedure just to prevent the child from raising an arm or wincing in the chair. Others wrap the child in a "papoose" so they cannot move. The list of things they get away with goes on and on. Talk about being psychopaths!! I worked for only a short time in a pedodontist practice because I could not change nor conform to the nonsense.

I have worked with many other dentists over the years.... most of them were not psychopaths at all and tried to be gentle and compassionate. But some were definitely a bit "rough" with their patients and usually treated their staff the same way :/ I think sensitivity training should be a mandatory requirement in dental school )

I will look into that book "Snakes in Suits"... I have a feeling I have worked with a few of them!

Thanks for sharing
Bryanna







There is a dentist in my neighborhood who does not use any novocaine. He is quite old now, and possibly retired. But it was a common topic of conversation, how he would not use Novocaine for many years in my area!

I personally cannot imagine it but I do think it does happen.

This is a little off the track but the topic of psychopathy does come up more these days than in the past. This word is broader than what first comes to mind as "serial killers"...etc.

Here is Forbes article about it and the most common occupations they are found in:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellycla...t-psychopaths/

Notice Surgeon? I think Dentist is similar.

To be able to do that job one has to inflict discomfort or pain on people and sensitive types would just flinch at that. We have a surgeon distant relative and he is really "something" and even hard on his dogs!

I am a bit puzzled by the clergy listing however!

But much of our National financial crisis could be linked to psychopathic CEO's stealing from everyone! There is a good book about this
in business, called Snakes in Suits.
http://www.amazon.com/Snakes-Suits-W.../dp/0061147893
I read this book when it first came out at our library....it is really
good! I recommend it highly to learn about this personality trait.
They are pretty common, and we all run into them in our lives, so best be prepared!

So I am not surprised that there could be dentists who inflict pain.

And I am so happy with my current Dentist whom I've had for 30 yrs! He is gentle, explains what he is going to do, and does not cause unnecessary pain in the chair! I can't even feel the needle for the novocaine! I am blessed![/QUOTE]