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Old 09-06-2013, 01:50 PM #1
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Default Calcified tooth pulp & canals? Abscessed?

I have been following these discussions for some time now. The guidance and gentle persuasion that Bryanna so kindly offers is deserving of a humanitarian aware

I have multiple dental problems but I will try to break my situation into small pieces so as not to overwhelm.

Several months ago, I was referred to an endodontist for assessment of a maxillary first molar. I agonized over the prospect and finally thought of it as a temporary fix; so that the neuromuscular dentist I am seeing could progress with "tensing" and an orthotic to balance my bite. The molar was needed as an anchor for the orthotic teeth. I trusted his judgement and proceeded with the root canal.

The root canal was a tedious procedure taking 5 hours in two sittings because the canals were calcified. I broke out in an intensely itchy and raised rash on my jaw and down my neck on the same side as the root canal. I have multiple other teeth that intermittently ache and other calcified canals, the full extent unknown because they have not all had periapical xrays as yet, and my dentist is not in any hurry to find them it seems. There are no cavities but the pulp of the tooth seems to be the issue.

1. Can you tell me what the best treatment for calcified canals would be? Should they be left alone? Are they abscessed and should they be removed if root canals are declined?

2. I was curious about the rash. The endo had not allowed sufficient time to complete and his next patient was waiting. He went straight to the filling after chipping away at the calcium deposited in the root.

3. I wonder if this tooth will be a problem to remove? The endo was a man of few words but he did say the tooth root was close to the sinus.

I really am not sure about the direction this treatment is going because my dentist is one who believes in "saving" the teeth. A video clip plays in his waiting room with an illustration of how removing teeth can cause the remaining teeth to shift and alter the "bite". I welcome your thoughts and insight.

(Tried hard to be brief. Sorry for the length of this.)
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Old 09-06-2013, 03:22 PM #2
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Hi Susie QRS,

Your post was fine... not too lengthy or over whelming at all!
Also, thanks for the kind words I do try to help here as much as I can.

Let me just let you know that I have been in dentistry for 35 yrs as a licensed chair side assistant... etc.

The first thing that pops to my mind is.. get all of the xrays of your entire mouth done before you proceed any further. Unless you had a blaring toothache, you should never have any tooth root canaled without seeing the health of the other teeth first. The main reason is because when attempting to "retain" a tooth, it is imperative to see what is going on with the adjacent teeth as they may be in a similar or worse situation than the tooth in question.

Secondly, why was this tooth root canaled? Do you have an xray of it that you could post here? Just make sure your name is not on it.

Calcified canals in "healthy" teeth indicate that some form of an anomaly (not normal) had taken place. This could occur in utero or during the formation of the teeth or from trauma (even a chronic bruxism habit)... or could be a hereditary condition. Do you have other teeth with calcified canals?

I will repost your questions and answer them in bold type.

<<<1. Can you tell me what the best treatment for calcified canals would be? Should they be left alone? Are they abscessed and should they be removed if root canals are declined?>>

THERE IS NO DENTAL TREATMENT FOR CALCIFIED CANALS. CALICIFIED MEANS CLOSED OR NON EXISTENT. SOME MAY BE PARTIALLY CLOSED WITH LITTLE TO NO LIVE TISSUE IN IT. WHEN RC IS PERFORMED ON A TOOTH WITH CALCIFIED CANALS THE ACCESS IS BASICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. WHAT OFTEN HAPPENS IS THE INSTRUMENTS PERFORATE THE WALL OF THE TOOTH IN TRYING TO MAKE AN ACCESS THAT DOES NOT REALLY EXIST. IF THE TOOTH BECOMES INFECTED, THE ONLY CURE WOULD BE TO REMOVE IT. IF THE TOOTH REMAINS QUIET AND HEALTHY... NOTHING SHOULD BE DONE TO IT. AGAIN, WHY WAS THIS TOOTH ROOT CANALED?

<<2. I was curious about the rash. The endo had not allowed sufficient time to complete and his next patient was waiting. He went straight to the filling after chipping away at the calcium deposited in the root.>>>

YEA, I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THAT ALSO. THAT COULD BE FROM ANY NUMBER OF THINGS. ARE YOU PRONE TO HIVES OR RASHES? DO YOU HAVE ALLERGIES OR SENSITIVITIES TO LATEX OR CHEMICALS? DO YOU HAVE ANY AUTO IMMUNE CONDITIONS?

<<<3. I wonder if this tooth will be a problem to remove? The endo was a man of few words but he did say the tooth root was close to the sinus.>>>

THIS TOOTH MAY BE A BIT CHALLENGING TO REMOVE DUE TO THE LACK OF VITALITY IN IT FROM THE GET GO. TEETH WITH CALCIFIED CANALS TEND TO BE A BIT MORE BRITTLE. HOWEVER, AN ORAL SURGEON WOULD BE THE ONE TO SEE TO REMOVE THIS TOOTH, NOT A GENERAL DENTIST.
A WORD OF CAUTION.... THE BACTERIA FROM THIS TOOTH CAN EASILY TRAVEL TO YOUR SINUS IF THE SINUS IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY OF THE ROOT OF THE TOOTH. YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF THIS BUT ALL ROOT CANALED TEETH ARE UNHEALTHY BECAUSE THEY ALL HARBOR BACTERIA AS IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO STERILIZE A TOOTH.

<<I really am not sure about the direction this treatment is going because my dentist is one who believes in "saving" the teeth. A video clip plays in his waiting room with an illustration of how removing teeth can cause the remaining teeth to shift and alter the "bite". I welcome your thoughts and insight. >>

I AM APPALLED AT ANY DENTIST SHOWING THAT TYPE OF VIDEO IN THEIR OFFICE. THE ONLY PURPOSE OF THAT VIDEO IS TO SELL ROOT CANALS AND DENTAL IMPLANTS. IN DENTISTRY THE WORDS "CURE" OR "SAVE" WHEN PERTAINING TO A ROOT CANALED TOOTH MEANS NOTHING MORE THAN "RETAIN". THERE IS NO DENTAL PROCEDURE OR MEDICAMENT THAT CAN CURE AN INFECTED TOOTH OR A TOOTH THAT HAS BECOME UNHEALTHY DUE TO THE CALCIFICATION OF THE CANALS. AND ALL DENTISTS ARE FULLY AWARE OF THIS FACT.

I apologize for being so blunt. It is your right to be properly informed and never forced or persuaded into a procedure especially when you have not been given all the facts. I often say ... I hope to live long enough to see dentistry become an honest profession. :/

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I have been following these discussions for some time now. The guidance and gentle persuasion that Bryanna so kindly offers is deserving of a humanitarian aware

I have multiple dental problems but I will try to break my situation into small pieces so as not to overwhelm.

Several months ago, I was referred to an endodontist for assessment of a maxillary first molar. I agonized over the prospect and finally thought of it as a temporary fix; so that the neuromuscular dentist I am seeing could progress with "tensing" and an orthotic to balance my bite. The molar was needed as an anchor for the orthotic teeth. I trusted his judgement and proceeded with the root canal.

The root canal was a tedious procedure taking 5 hours in two sittings because the canals were calcified. I broke out in an intensely itchy and raised rash on my jaw and down my neck on the same side as the root canal. I have multiple other teeth that intermittently ache and other calcified canals, the full extent unknown because they have not all had periapical xrays as yet, and my dentist is not in any hurry to find them it seems. There are no cavities but the pulp of the tooth seems to be the issue.

1. Can you tell me what the best treatment for calcified canals would be? Should they be left alone? Are they abscessed and should they be removed if root canals are declined?

2. I was curious about the rash. The endo had not allowed sufficient time to complete and his next patient was waiting. He went straight to the filling after chipping away at the calcium deposited in the root.

3. I wonder if this tooth will be a problem to remove? The endo was a man of few words but he did say the tooth root was close to the sinus.

I really am not sure about the direction this treatment is going because my dentist is one who believes in "saving" the teeth. A video clip plays in his waiting room with an illustration of how removing teeth can cause the remaining teeth to shift and alter the "bite". I welcome your thoughts and insight.

(Tried hard to be brief. Sorry for the length of this.)
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I just want to add my 2 cents to this discussion. I am not in the dental field, but I was horrified to hear there was a vidio of RC. This is a highly expensive and worthless procedure. That film was to sell you on doing the RC. You said he was a man of few words, well I would have a few things to say to him! No excuse for lack of verbal, other than he is not telling you the truth, that is why he is quiet. We patients don't ask enough questions. No tooth should have that RC, especially not having all the films to really take a look, like the teeth next to the one being worked on. As far as the rash goes, he should have had some concern for your welfare, not just oust you out because someone else is waiting for him.
Please seek another professional. Bryanna is so right about all of this. My dentist knows about these things too, and has talked to me about RC the right way. I had several teeth removed last year, and I was glad to do it. Yes teeth shift when there is an empty space. An appliance can be made. I have a nesbit. Simple device that works great. Sorry to rant, I just don't like it when someone isn't really being told the truth and is treated poorly in my opinion. I hope you can get the right kind of resolution and truth. I wish you all the best, I really do. Wish you were in my neck of the woods, I would send you to my dentist in a heartbeat. ginnieemonstrati on:
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Thank you Bryanna And Ginnie for your responses to my predicament. I am posting an xray from yet another earlier dentist of my "calcified tooth". I will elaborate further in a following post to give you more background. I hope to get a panorex that would show the total picture of what I am dealing with.
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Hi Bryanna,

I would so much appreciate your reading of my xray. The xray should be the upper left quadrant where I only have two teeth now and those two teeth would support the orthotic that my dentist would use to replace my 4 front teeth, canine and bicuspid. This xray was of course before the RC took place. I don't have an xray of the completed RC but the dentist(as always) said it "looked good". The pain in my upper left quadrant has not changed.

He did want me to return to the endo and have the opposing molar on the bottom root canaled as well. The canals are totally calcified on this tooth but I have refused. I could not endure that again. When I was at the endos office, I chatted with the receptionist and asked her if she saw many teeth such as mine. She does see it more often in older people but they did treat a 10 year old with a single front tooth that was calcified so it seems that they somewhat do them routinely.

I am in a state of paralysis at the moment not knowing whether to proceed with this expensive treatment to correct my bite. I do not think it is neuralgia that I have as I can pinpoint individual teeth that ache.

Several years back I was referred to a prosthodontist and had aggressive equilibration done on my existing dental work. This "treatment" seemed to be more of an assault than it was treatment Many crowns were perforated in the procedure. Amazingly enough, any new dentist that I see does not question how it came about that my crowns are perforated.

The panorex that I have is two years old and is on disk. There seems not to be a way to remove my personal info.....
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