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Old 01-25-2014, 09:21 AM #1
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Had operation 1982 for impacted wisdom tooth not visible in mouth as buried deep in jaw. They butchered me and damaged facial nerve. Two inch scar left numbness and burning pain in lingual and inferior alveolar nerves with referred pain throughout Trigeminal nerve. In pain long time and eventually went to homeopath who gave me Arnica and Hypericum . This worked and have used it ever since.

[B]Present day . Have TMJ , Dentist made new denture for lower mandible and all hell broke lose with compression on site of operation . After all this time pain started off again .Homeopathic not working ( so far) Doc put me on Pregabalin and been to Traditional Chinese Acupuncturist . Have read some posts of others . May God bless you with what you are going through .

I would appreciate any comments from others with similar experiences and what remedies I could try.

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Hi Johnsonsyard,

I'm sorry to hear about your oral surgery debacle. FYI, I am a huge believer in Chinese medicine/acupuncture and homeopathy.

Based on your description of when the pain started up again there could be a few things going on. One is the jaw bone may have osteonecrosis or NICO. Please google those words for information on it. Secondly and this could be alone or in conjunction with NICO, you may not have any bone covering the alveolar nerves, only gum tissue. So when something like a denture rubs against that gum tissue there is nothing to protect it from the pressure of the denture.

I am afraid that I do not know of a homeopathic remedy that would "cure" this pain as it is an anatomical problem and without the protection of the bone over the nerves any stimulation in that area is going to set it off.

I am so sorry this is happening to you. Is the denture a partial of full denture?

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Had operation 1982 for impacted wisdom tooth not visible in mouth as buried deep in jaw. They butchered me and damaged facial nerve. Two inch scar left numbness and burning pain in lingual and inferior alveolar nerves with referred pain throughout Trigeminal nerve. In pain long time and eventually went to homeopath who gave me Arnica and Hypericum . This worked and have used it ever since.

[B]Present day . Have TMJ , Dentist made new denture for lower mandible and all hell broke lose with compression on site of operation . After all this time pain started off again .Homeopathic not working ( so far) Doc put me on Pregabalin and been to Traditional Chinese Acupuncturist . Have read some posts of others . May God bless you with what you are going through .

I would appreciate any comments from others with similar experiences and what remedies I could try.

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Hi Johnsonsyard,

I'm sorry to hear about your oral surgery debacle. FYI, I am a huge believer in Chinese medicine/acupuncture and homeopathy.

Based on your description of when the pain started up again there could be a few things going on. One is the jaw bone may have osteonecrosis or NICO. Please google those words for information on it. Secondly and this could be alone or in conjunction with NICO, you may not have any bone covering the alveolar nerves, only gum tissue. So when something like a denture rubs against that gum tissue there is nothing to protect it from the pressure of the denture.

I am afraid that I do not know of a homeopathic remedy that would "cure" this pain as it is an anatomical problem and without the protection of the bone over the nerves any stimulation in that area is going to set it off.

I am so sorry this is happening to you. Is the denture a partial of full denture?

Bryanna
Hi Bryanna

Thanks for your reply . My Denture is a partial Denture as I still have a few of my own teeth at the front. The teeth on my last Denture were virtually undetectable at the back through wear and tear and I think deliberate alterations in the past. I had them 15 years.

My TMJ was starting to bother me and the Dental Hospital said I needed some back teeth to support the jaw at the back . I went along with this and well the rest is history. Its complicated as there's no way I will be able to take compression at the back on that side , so I don't know how they will tackle this situation. Next appt next week.

Thanks for you information tried to google NICO bot can't find it. Whatever the reason it's a latent time bomb waiting to erupt. If I could just get it under control again I would not make the same mistake twice . I have bi lateral TMJ and get spasm and tinnitus . The Dentist who helped before has retired. He used muscle testing methods to get things balanced . In the UK this is treated as quackery by the establishment so can't find another. I am trying out an Integrated Dentist in Scotland but means a lot of traveling.

I would appreciate it if you could direct me to NICO .

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I'm so sorry for your pain and suffering. I went to the dentist with a minor repair and had no pain. I ended up with having my tooth pulled and VERY PAINFUL and continuous, likely permanent nerve damage.

I use a compounded cream with Gabapentin, Lidcocaine and Capsaisin in it. I rub it on my face several times a day and it is very helpful. I truly was losing my will to live before I got this cream. I still have some bad days, but nothing at all like before.

I also went to the acupuncturist at the beginning, and she did help a little.

For a short time, I had some TMJ on the opposite side of my face. There was some clicking. I used muscle relaxers and physical therapy and luckily, that went away rather nicely.

I have heard of people (mostly women) on medications for osteoporosis being at higher risk for that jaw bone necrosis. Fingers crossed that this is not an issue for you and that you find a good dentist and receive good care.

I do get my special compounded cream from a neurologist.
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Hi Nick,

I am going to give you a link that explains, in great detail, NICO and different forms of Trigeminal Neuralgia. It is a lot of information but it is written well enough for anyone to understand.

As you will see both conditions can have a number of correlating origins. The diagnosis and treatment can be very difficult... to say the least. Unfortunately, general dentists and general physicians are not extensively educated on either of these conditions and for that reason I personally believe it is best to combine conventional diagnostic tools with integrative therapies to get the most benefit.

I hope that your new dentist is able to help guide you in a more profound way so you can get the relief that you need.

http://iaomt.org/wp-content/uploads/...is-of-NICO.pdf

It is common for people who are missing their posterior teeth to end up with bi lateral TMJ problems as the fundamental structure for chewing has been taken away causing a collapse within the entire occlusal plane. This is very different than say you were missing one or two teeth in the entire arch. So your issue most likely has many "origins" and medicating one will not alter the other. So you are smart to seek varied help in dealing with your situation.

Please keep us posted.
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Thanks for your reply . My Denture is a partial Denture as I still have a few of my own teeth at the front. The teeth on my last Denture were virtually undetectable at the back through wear and tear and I think deliberate alterations in the past. I had them 15 years.

My TMJ was starting to bother me and the Dental Hospital said I needed some back teeth to support the jaw at the back . I went along with this and well the rest is history. Its complicated as there's no way I will be able to take compression at the back on that side , so I don't know how they will tackle this situation. Next appt next week.

Thanks for you information tried to google NICO bot can't find it. Whatever the reason it's a latent time bomb waiting to erupt. If I could just get it under control again I would not make the same mistake twice . I have bi lateral TMJ and get spasm and tinnitus . The Dentist who helped before has retired. He used muscle testing methods to get things balanced . In the UK this is treated as quackery by the establishment so can't find another. I am trying out an Integrated Dentist in Scotland but means a lot of traveling.

I would appreciate it if you could direct me to NICO .

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I'm so sorry for your pain and suffering. I went to the dentist with a minor repair and had no pain. I ended up with having my tooth pulled and VERY PAINFUL and continuous, likely permanent nerve damage.

I use a compounded cream with Gabapentin, Lidcocaine and Capsaisin in it. I rub it on my face several times a day and it is very helpful. I truly was losing my will to live before I got this cream. I still have some bad days, but nothing at all like before.

I also went to the acupuncturist at the beginning, and she did help a little.

For a short time, I had some TMJ on the opposite side of my face. There was some clicking. I used muscle relaxers and physical therapy and luckily, that went away rather nicely.

I have heard of people (mostly women) on medications for osteoporosis being at higher risk for that jaw bone necrosis. Fingers crossed that this is not an issue for you and that you find a good dentist and receive good care.

I do get my special compounded cream from a neurologist.
Hi Vowel Lady ,

Sorry to hear about your nerve pain and hoping things get better for you. Thank you for your information . My Doc has not yet sent me to a neurologist but I now have some information to consider if it happens.

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Hi Nick,

I am going to give you a link that explains, in great detail, NICO and different forms of Trigeminal Neuralgia. It is a lot of information but it is written well enough for anyone to understand.

As you will see both conditions can have a number of correlating origins. The diagnosis and treatment can be very difficult... to say the least. Unfortunately, general dentists and general physicians are not extensively educated on either of these conditions and for that reason I personally believe it is best to combine conventional diagnostic tools with integrative therapies to get the most benefit.

I hope that your new dentist is able to help guide you in a more profound way so you can get the relief that you need.

It is common for people who are missing their posterior teeth to end up with bi lateral TMJ problems as the fundamental structure for chewing has been taken away causing a collapse within the entire occlusal plane. This is very different than say you were missing one or two teeth in the entire arch. So your issue most likely has many "origins" and medicating one will not alter the other. So you are smart to seek varied help in dealing with your situation.

Please keep us posted.
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Hi Bryanna ,
Thank you so much for all the information. This puts more possibilities on the table. On Saturday I started to get feeling back and less pain , but by Sunday night it all came back again. I suspect its all tide in with the TMJ ? I am eating very soft food but more like a rabbit chewing on my few front teeth. I did not mention before that I also have a partial Denture up top. This has been amended to add height . I can wear this ok. Its the lower one which was also heightened at the back to give height that started things off again. I had been chewing "normally" with both Dentures when the nerve began to get irritated again . It's very red over that area with one area in particular like a deep red/blue spot from which it all originates.The Dentist I see in Scotland is an Integrated Dentist and a a member of the British Craniomandibular Group. He does Dentistry and Osteopathy. Not sure how he's going to get round this situation as like you indicated he was trying to replace my back teeth to help the TMJ?

Will let you know how things go, Wishing you well

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Hi Nick,

Yes, please keep us informed on how things are going.

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Thank you so much for all the information. This puts more possibilities on the table. On Saturday I started to get feeling back and less pain , but by Sunday night it all came back again. I suspect its all tide in with the TMJ ? I am eating very soft food but more like a rabbit chewing on my few front teeth. I did not mention before that I also have a partial Denture up top. This has been amended to add height . I can wear this ok. Its the lower one which was also heightened at the back to give height that started things off again. I had been chewing "normally" with both Dentures when the nerve began to get irritated again . It's very red over that area with one area in particular like a deep red/blue spot from which it all originates.The Dentist I see in Scotland is an Integrated Dentist and a a member of the British Craniomandibular Group. He does Dentistry and Osteopathy. Not sure how he's going to get round this situation as like you indicated he was trying to replace my back teeth to help the TMJ?

Will let you know how things go, Wishing you well

Kind Regards

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Hi , Further to my last posts have been to see Dentist who made cushion for my lower Denture to protect the damaged nerve from irritation. . It felt good for a few days , and I could feel the benefit of support. However , nerve seems to be getting irritated again . Does anyone know how to desensitise this nerve in order to wear the denture ? Would using denture periodically help with this ?

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Nick,

It makes sense for the new "cushion" inside of the partial denture to temporarily subside the pain. It is similar to if you had a blister on your foot and you put a bandade over it before you put your shoe on. The blister would feel better for a little while, but eventually it would become sore again. With a blister you can usually cure the problem by wearing a different pair of shoes allowing the blister to heal over time. In the jawbone, the bundles of nerves are covered with bone to prevent them from becoming irritated. If the bone is not present or has been removed during a surgery, then the nerves are only covered by a sheath of fibrous tissue which is not adequate enough to protect the nerve.

I am going to assume that you have had x-rays taken of this area of your mouth both before the extraction and after? Any chance you could obtain them from the dentist and post them here? If they are digital, the dentist can email them to you. It might be helpful for me to see what this looks like radio-graphically.

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Hi , Further to my last posts have been to see Dentist who made cushion for my lower Denture to protect the damaged nerve from irritation. . It felt good for a few days , and I could feel the benefit of support. However , nerve seems to be getting irritated again . Does anyone know how to desensitise this nerve in order to wear the denture ? Would using denture periodically help with this ?

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