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Old 04-06-2014, 09:10 AM #1
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In 3 weeks, I have had 2 root canals. The first caused me pain for 2 days and then it got better. There had been a little swelling but quickly healed without a trace left of an obvious infection.

The last root canal, done 4 days ago is quite another story. This tooth had been "sensitive" for a number of years. My dentist told me to use toothpaste for sensitivity, which did not help. I did put up with the sensitive area for a long time. It was the tooth that I felt was more infected than the first one he treated. Both are upper right molars (the last one and one beside it).

Prior to my root canals, he filled the tooth and told me it was a very deep filling and I would be sensitive for a long time. To me, it did not feel like just a sensitive tooth, but I'm not a dentist. So I waited.

A week before the first root canal, something broke off the tooth at the very back. I'm not sure if it was part of the filling, or the tooth itself.

So I returned to the dentist and was told I needed root canal work done.

The tooth I just had done on Wednesday made my face swell out to 3 times it's normal size! I was in excrutiating pain. He had given me Toradol but it was not working. Then he gave me penicillin and it didn't make the pain go way. Then he gave me another antibiotic to take alongside penicillin. Still nothing.

My pain was 9 out of 10 when I reached the ER department 2 nights after the root canal. (Dentist's office closed because it was night)

They told me I needed to see a dentist. grrrrr. I was released with Hydromorphone, which is helping.

The swelling is going down, but still swollen enough to have me worried. I am supposed to see the dentist tomorrow because he had taken the temporary filling out to let it breath. (No infection in the tooth because no puss) He felt the infection was now in the bone.

I'm really afraid of seeing the dentist tomorrow, yet I know that I cannot go around with a tooth that has no filling, temporary or otherwise.

What should I do? I'm really scared.

Thank you so much.
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Hi lealynn,

If you are interested in learning the facts about root canaled teeth and how they can affect your health you can google both of these reliable sources :
Dr Mercola and root canals.... Dr George Meinig and root canals.

This statement that you wrote your dentist said needs to be clarified:

<<I am supposed to see the dentist tomorrow because he had taken the temporary filling out to let it breath. (No infection in the tooth because no puss) He felt the infection was now in the bone.>>

Pus is not the only indicator of an infection. It is usually indicative of a very severe, long term infection which is where this tooth is headed. First let me inform you that there is no such thing as "letting the tooth breath"... that is 100% bogus. He took the temporary filling out because the hundreds of tiny canals that are not accessible contain dead infected nerve tissue and they are severely inflamed from the bacteria residing inside of them. This is causing a build up of toxic gas inside of the tooth. He left the tooth open in an attempt to reduce the pain and swelling from the inflammation inside of the tooth. However, the tiny canals will continue to contain infected nerve tissue for the life of the tooth and leaving the tooth open has no bearing on these canals. It does however allow the large canals to drain which may reduce some of the pain/swelling but it also means the bacteria is draining into your mouth and being swallowed. From a systemic stand point you can imagine this not a healthy predicament to be in. I suggest that you rinse vigorously with warm salt water several times a day to reduce some of the bacteria being ingested.

Another statement I want to clarify....
<<< He felt the infection was now in the bone.>>>

In your case in order for the bone to be infected, the tooth needs to be infected. The bacteria that causes the infection to spread to the bone is residing inside of your tooth... actually both of your molars. If these teeth were to be extracted more than likely there would be pus in the bone. Another concern is that these teeth are in close proximity to your sinuses. Some molars are in direct communication with the sinus... yours may or may not be. Chronically infected teeth which pertains to ALL root canaled teeth can infect the sinuses and beyond.

I know you are scared and unfortunately your dentist has sold you on root canal treatment without giving you ALL of the information.

Before you proceed with more of this root canal treatment, arm yourself with some knowledge given by Dr Mercola and Dr Meinig.

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In 3 weeks, I have had 2 root canals. The first caused me pain for 2 days and then it got better. There had been a little swelling but quickly healed without a trace left of an obvious infection.

The last root canal, done 4 days ago is quite another story. This tooth had been "sensitive" for a number of years. My dentist told me to use toothpaste for sensitivity, which did not help. I did put up with the sensitive area for a long time. It was the tooth that I felt was more infected than the first one he treated. Both are upper right molars (the last one and one beside it).

Prior to my root canals, he filled the tooth and told me it was a very deep filling and I would be sensitive for a long time. To me, it did not feel like just a sensitive tooth, but I'm not a dentist. So I waited.

A week before the first root canal, something broke off the tooth at the very back. I'm not sure if it was part of the filling, or the tooth itself.

So I returned to the dentist and was told I needed root canal work done.

The tooth I just had done on Wednesday made my face swell out to 3 times it's normal size! I was in excrutiating pain. He had given me Toradol but it was not working. Then he gave me penicillin and it didn't make the pain go way. Then he gave me another antibiotic to take alongside penicillin. Still nothing.

My pain was 9 out of 10 when I reached the ER department 2 nights after the root canal. (Dentist's office closed because it was night)

They told me I needed to see a dentist. grrrrr. I was released with Hydromorphone, which is helping.

The swelling is going down, but still swollen enough to have me worried. I am supposed to see the dentist tomorrow because he had taken the temporary filling out to let it breath. (No infection in the tooth because no puss) He felt the infection was now in the bone.

I'm really afraid of seeing the dentist tomorrow, yet I know that I cannot go around with a tooth that has no filling, temporary or otherwise.

What should I do? I'm really scared.

Thank you so much.

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Hi lealynn,

If you are interested in learning the facts about root canaled teeth and your health you can google both of these reliable sources :
Dr Mercola and root canals.... Dr George Meinig and root canals.

This statement that you wrote your dentist said needs to be clarified:

<<I am supposed to see the dentist tomorrow because he had taken the temporary filling out to let it breath. (No infection in the tooth because no puss) He felt the infection was now in the bone.>>

Pus is not the only indicator of an infection. It is usually indicative of a very severe, long term infection which is where this tooth is headed. First let me inform you that there is no such thing as "letting the tooth breath"... that is 100% bogus. He took the temporary filling out because the hundreds of tiny canals that are not accessible contain dead infected nerve tissue and they are severely inflamed from the bacteria residing inside of them. This is causing a build up of toxic gas inside of the tooth. He left the tooth open in an attempt to reduce the pain and swelling from the inflammation inside of the tooth. However, the tiny canals will continue to contain infected nerve tissue for the life of the tooth and leaving the tooth open has no bearing on these canals. It does however allow the large canals to drain which may reduce some of the pain/swelling but it also means the bacteria is draining into your mouth and being swallowed. From a systemic stand point you can imagine this not a healthy predicament to be in. I suggest that you rinse vigorously with warm salt water several times a day to reduce some of the bacteria being ingested.

Another statement I want to clarify....
<<< He felt the infection was now in the bone.>>>

In your case in order for the bone to be infected, the tooth needs to be infected. The bacteria that causes the infection to spread to the bone is residing inside of your tooth... actually both of your molars. If these teeth were to be extracted more than likely there would be pus in the bone. Another concern is that these teeth are in close proximity to your sinuses. Some molars are in direct communication with the sinus... yours may or may not be. Chronically infected teeth which pertains to ALL root canaled teeth can infect the sinuses and beyond.

I know you are scared and unfortunately your dentist has sold you on root canal treatment without giving you ALL of the information.

Before you proceed with more of this root canal treatment, arm yourself with some knowledge given by Dr Mercola and Dr Meinig.

Bryanna
Bryanna,

Thank you for going to all the trouble of getting back to me! I did quickly look at the writing of Dr. George Meinig DDS and noticed the information he was speaking of was written many years ago.
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lealynn,

Exactly many years ago. Dr Meinig was one of the original founders of the American Association of Endodontics as he was an educator and prominent endodontist. After he read and researched the 25 years of findings of Dr Weston Price, he changed his entire perspective on what he had been taught in dental school and what he had been teaching to others for many years regarding the systemic connections between root canaled teeth and our health. The reason Price's and Meinig's work had been covered up from becoming public was due to monetary greed amongst the executives of the dental profession. These large dental associations made it perfectly clear to their dental colleagues that this topic was not up for discussion between a dentist and his patient.

I've been in the dental field for over 30 years and I can attest to that coverup first hand. The only reason more people are becoming aware of it now is not because the mindset to remain quiet amongst the profession has changed.... it is because the public now has easy access to the information via the computer!

The information given years ago about this topic remains exactly the same today. Due to the anatomy of the tooth, nothing has changed to alter the inevitable outcome.

I hope you decide to learn more about this so that you can make an informed decision about your dental treatment. Only you can decide what is best for you.

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Thank you for going to all the trouble of getting back to me! I did quickly look at the writing of Dr. George Meinig DDS and noticed the information he was speaking of was written many years ago.
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lealynn,

Exactly many years ago. Dr Meinig was one of the original founders of the American Association of Endodontics as he was an educator and prominent endodontist. After he read and researched the 25 years of findings of Dr Weston Price, he changed his entire perspective on what he had been taught in dental school and what he had been teaching to others for many years regarding the systemic connections between root canaled teeth and our health. The reason Price's and Meinig's work had been covered up from becoming public was due to monetary greed amongst the executives of the dental profession. These large dental associations made it perfectly clear to their dental colleagues that this topic was not up for discussion between a dentist and his patient.

I've been in the dental field for over 30 years and I can attest to that coverup first hand. The only reason more people are becoming aware of it now is not because the mindset to remain quiet amongst the profession has changed.... it is because the public now has easy access to the information via the computer!

The information given years ago about this topic remains exactly the same today. Due to the anatomy of the tooth, nothing has changed to alter the inevitable outcome.

I hope you decide to learn more about this so that you can make an informed decision about your dental treatment. Only you can decide what is best for you.

Bryanna
Hi again Byanna,
I was not able to finish the first note because I updated before I had finished typing and I lost most of it!

Thank you for going to all the trouble of getting back to me! I did quickly look at the writing of Dr. George Meinig DDS and noticed the information he was speaking of was written many years ago.[/QUOTE]

sorry - I did write more but it disappeared (?)
Thank you for getting back to me. (I just posted something that obviously didn't go through) - ack, I hate when that happens.

OK, try 2:
Dr. George Meinig DDS did research from a book that was written a great number of years ago. Is there anything more current you could point me towards?

I am not questioning your qualifications per se, but I would be interested to know more about your patient advocacy work. Do you counsel patients outside of this forum?

Thank you so much for getting back to me so quickly! It is quite overwhelming and scary. I don't want to get ill from trying to save my teeth.
---------------That is what I tried to finish before I unceremoniously updated----is there anything more I can read? You do seem well versed, but since it has been so many years since technology stepped into the picture something from current research would definitely be of help-------Thanks again!
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Hi lealynn,

You are welcome.

There are plenty of articles on the subject and many of them are written in dental jargon and appear in the dental journals. I will give you a few others to look at that are in layman's terms. But first I want to clarify that the anatomy of a tooth has not changed over time so the information pertaining to the retain-ability of bacteria and systemic connection has also not changed. Each tooth has many hundreds of curvy microscopic canals that contain nerve tissue and these canals are not accessible with any hand or rotary instrument, or medicament or medication. These tiny canals called dentin tubules are only a part of the ongoing problem with root canaled teeth.

Written June 2010 shows good illustration of the anatomy of a tooth:
http://www.westonaprice.org/dentistr...-canal-dangers

This one gives easy to understand information, some may be redundant to the others I've posted but that's because the information has not changed over all the years. It also has photos of the infected teeth that are undeniably clear. The references that made up this article were dated in 60's through the 90's.
http://www.robertgammal.com/RCT/RCTDangerous.html

A book that goes into the systemic connection is called The Roots of Disease Connecting Dentistry and Medicine by Dr Robert Kulacz (dentist) and Dr Levy (cardiology).

If you want more information you can look into the focal infection theory or jaw bone cavitations called NISO associated with infected teeth.

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Hi again Byanna,
I was not able to finish the first note because I updated before I had finished typing and I lost most of it!

Thank you for going to all the trouble of getting back to me! I did quickly look at the writing of Dr. George Meinig DDS and noticed the information he was speaking of was written many years ago.
sorry - I did write more but it disappeared (?)
Thank you for getting back to me. (I just posted something that obviously didn't go through) - ack, I hate when that happens.

OK, try 2:
Dr. George Meinig DDS did research from a book that was written a great number of years ago. Is there anything more current you could point me towards?

I am not questioning your qualifications per se, but I would be interested to know more about your patient advocacy work. Do you counsel patients outside of this forum?

Thank you so much for getting back to me so quickly! It is quite overwhelming and scary. I don't want to get ill from trying to save my teeth.
---------------That is what I tried to finish before I unceremoniously updated----is there anything more I can read? You do seem well versed, but since it has been so many years since technology stepped into the picture something from current research would definitely be of help-------Thanks again![/QUOTE]
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Sorry you have had such issues with the two root canals. Bryanna and her advise is really good. I would go to an oral surgeon to have the teeth removed. I don't think it is good to retain the teeth that are causing the problems. The teeth can also cause other infections in the body, if the infection is not removed all the way. Your tooth is infected first, then it goes down into the bone. When the oral surgeon removes them, that bone under needs to be scrapped clean. It is far easier to live with a space, and have a bridge or other device put in that to retain that infection and all the pain that goes with it.
I sure hope tomorrow goes OK for you. Let your dentist know everything, and ask for a referral to an oral surgeon. Since these teeth were RC'd by him and they didn't turn out so good, I would seek that other professional. Just my opinion Lealynn. I wish you all the best tomorrow. ginnie
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Hello again Bryanna. You have again taken the time to respond. Thank you. It is unfortunate that you are quoting information from another decade. Some of the more recent information still relies on very old and proven information. The way they do studies now, differs from how they did research in the 1900's.

While I know your heart is in the right place, *admin edit* I don't mean to be blunt, if you were here you would see my compassion and understanding of your need to help others.

What bothers me most about the internet is that free advice has a cost. There is no way for a layperson to check on qualifications. It can result in a cost that can never be recovered.

On a more personal note, I was put through unnecessary stress after reading the responses here. I questioned a well respected, well versed dentist I had known for many years. I cried out in pain and felt misunderstood by him and quite alone. My family members were equally worried and felt quite helpless.

I am normally a responsible woman who never takes anything at face value online. Certainly not anything to do with my personal health care without researching it thoroughly.

Obviously my pain interfered with my reasoning.

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Again, the site seems to have taken away the majority of my post. I assure you I did not leave it hanging in a rude fashion, as it now appears.

In fact, I took the time to thank you once again Bryanna. The only thing I do want others here to know is the importance of making informed decisions based on current medical advice. The operative word is current.

Be well.
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