Hi this is my first forum post ever yay. Been reading everyone else's for years.
I have pain everywhere, but wanted to get some help with facial/tooth pAin I've been having for a few years. My upper jaw hurts from canine to wisdom tooth. The cheek hurts same side, feels like there is a pressure in there. Recently the ride side of nose has started hurting up to my eye and last two days the eye has started hurting. I have a root canal on the first premolar after my canine. It has recently been redone. No change. No one knows what could be causing this pain. I've have four courses if antibiotics which sometimes seem to help. So my dentist thought it was probably the rc tooth. Been to endo he says there is no sign of infection around the tooth, he redrilled everything got what he said were potential branching nerves. I felt pretty good for three days after he did this, then I ate something chewy and all the pain was back.

The trouble is no one knows for sure what tooth if it is even a tooth is bothering me. At my recent appt the endo suggested this isn't tooth pain at all but nerve pain. He's sending me to a neurologist(?) for pain.

Personally I just want to start pulling teeth to try something. Only he tells me it phantom pain and extraction won't help. Any ideas? There is a constant dull pain, and if I do a lot of chewing it gets worse. Sometimes I think it's the wisdom tooth it is a bit over exposed. Other times it feels like it could be all three teeth on a row premolars and first molar. My jaw on the same side also hurts often.
Thanks everyone

Welcome Pamissotired.

Someone will be along to help.

Hi Pamissotired,

I am in the dental field and can offer you some information here.

First let me say that many dentists, in spite of the chronic infection and inflammation in all root canaled teeth, do not consider root canaled teeth to be unhealthy. With that said, they focus on the "carpentry" aspect of dental care more so than the biological or pathological aspect.

I am going to re-post some of your thread and reply to you in bold type as this makes it easier to follow.

<< My upper jaw hurts from canine to wisdom tooth.>>
THIS IS TYPICAL WHEN THERE IS AN INFLAMED AND/OR INFECTED TOOTH AS THE INFLAMMATION IS IRRITATING THE DIFFERENT BUNDLES OF NERVES THAT CONNECT TO THE TEETH.

<<The cheek hurts same side, feels like there is a pressure in there.>>
THIS TOO IS TYPICAL AS THE INFLAMMATION IS ALSO PRESENT IN THE LIGAMENT THAT SURROUND THE INFLAMED TOOTH MAKING IT SWOLLEN. SIMILAR TO HAVE A SPLINTER EMBEDDED IN YOUR FINGER AND THE SURROUNDING TISSUE GETS SWOLLEN AND SORE.

<<Recently the ride side of nose has started hurting up to my eye and last two days the eye has started hurting.>>

THIS INDICATES THAT THE INFLAMMATION AND BACTERIA MAY BE SPREADING INTO YOUR SINUS.

<<I have a root canal on the first premolar after my canine. It has recently been redone. No change.>>

NO SURPRISE THAT YOU HAVE A ROOT CANALED TOOTH IN THAT QUADRANT OF YOUR MOUTH GIVEN THE SYMPTOMS THAT YOU ARE HAVING AS ALL ROOT CANALED TEETH ARE CHRONICALLY INFECTED, INFLAMED AND UNHEALTHY. RETREATING THE TOOTH WITH ANOTHER ROOT CANAL DOES NOT REMOVE THE INFECTED NERVE TISSUE FROM INSIDE OF THE CANALS THAT ARE NEVER ACCESSIBLE.

<< No one knows what could be causing this pain. I've have four courses if antibiotics which sometimes seem to help.>>

YES THEY ACTUALLY DO. HOWEVER THEY ARE FOCUSED ON THE "CARPENTRY" ASPECT OF THE TOOTH AND NOT THE BIOLOGY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH YOUR TOOTH. ANTIBIOTICS WILL, FOR A LIMITED TIME, TEMPORARILY SUBSIDE THE INFLAMMATION BUT CANNOT CURE THE INFECTION. AGAIN, ALL DENTISTS KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE.

<< So my dentist thought it was probably the rc tooth.>>

HE'S RIGHT. BUT HESITANT TO TELL YOU TO REMOVE THE TOOTH.

<< Been to endo he says there is no sign of infection around the tooth,>>

THE ENDO KNOWS THAT ORAL INFECTIONS WITH RC TEETH RARELY SHOW RADIO GRAPHIC SIGNS OF THE INFECTION UNTIL IT HAS PROLIFERATED WAY BEYOND THE TOOTH. UNLESS THE TOOTH HAS DECAY OR RADIO GRAPHIC PATHOLOGY LARGE ENOUGH TO BE SEEN ON A DENTAL X-RAY, THE TOOTH WILL LOOK "NORMAL" RADIO GRAPHICALLY. THE HUNDREDS OF TINY CANALS THAT HARBOR DEAD, INFECTED NERVE TISSUE CANNOT BE SEEN ON DENTAL XRAYS UNTIL THE CANALS BECOME DECAYED FROM THE INFECTION.

<<He redrilled everything got what he said were potential branching nerves.

IRRELEVANT OF WHAT HE DID TO THIS TOOTH, HE WAS NOT ABLE TO ACCESS THOSE TINY CANALS. SO WHAT HIS STATEMENT ABOUT GETTING EVERYTHING OUT SIMPLY MEANS... HE FOUND BACTERIA, DEBRIS AND SOME NECROSIS INSIDE OF THE CANALS THAT WERE VISIBLE TO HIM AND HE WORKED ON CLEANING ALL OF THAT OUT.

<< I felt pretty good for three days after he did this, then I ate something chewy and all the pain was back. >>

HIS TREATMENT AND THE ANTIBIOTICS TEMPORARILY REDUCED THE INFLAMMATION WHICH GAVE YOU SOME TEMPORARY RELIEF. AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE A SPLINTER EMBEDDED IN YOUR FINGER WHICH HAS BECOME INFLAMED AND INFECTED.... REMOVE A PIECE OF THAT SPLINTER AND THE AREA FEELS A BIT BETTER... ONLY TO BECOME INFLAMED ALL OVER AGAIN BECAUSE THE SPLINTER IS STILL PRESENT.

<<The trouble is no one knows for sure what tooth if it is even a tooth is bothering me.>>

YES THEY DO KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEM HAS ORIGINATED FROM. WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS WITH RC TEETH IS THE INFLAMMATION AND THEN THE BACTERIA SPREADS TO THE ADJACENT TEETH AND IN UPPER TEETH INTO THE SINUS.

<<At my recent appt the endo suggested this isn't tooth pain at all but nerve pain. He's sending me to a neurologist(?) for pain. >>

AT THIS POINT YOU MAY HAVE SOME NEUROLOGICAL ISSUES GOING ON WHICH MORE THAN LIKELY HAVE ORIGINATED FROM THIS DISEASED, INFLAMED TOOTH AS IT SET OFF A PATTERN OF INFLAMMATION AND POSSIBLE PROLIFERATION OF BACTERIA THAT HAS MOVED BEYOND THE TOOTH. TO KEEP THE TOOTH MEANS TO KEEP THE INFECTION. THE LONGER THE TOOTH IS PRESENT THE MORE WIDESPREAD THE PROBLEM WILL BECOME.

<<Personally I just want to start pulling teeth to try something. Only he tells me it phantom pain and extraction won't help.>>

AT THIS TIME IT IS NOT WISE TO REMOVE ANY OTHER TEETH OTHER THAN THE ONE THAT IS ROOT CANALED AND DETERMINE IF THE BACTERIA HAS SPREAD TO THE ADJACENT TEETH AND/OR THE SINUS. IT COULD TAKE MONTHS FOR THE PAIN TO SUBSIDE COMPLETELY AFTER THE TOOTH IS REMOVED AS THE BRANCHES OF NERVES ARE INFLAMED AND IRRITATED. EXTRACTING THE TOOTH WILL CAUSE ADDITIONAL IRRITATION AND TRAUMA THAT IS USUALLY TEMPORARY AND REMOVING THE TOOTH IS THE ONLY HOPE OF REMOVING THE SOURCE OF THE ORIGINAL AND ONGOING PROBLEM.

<<There is a constant dull pain, and if I do a lot of chewing it gets worse. >>

THIS IS DUE TO THE BACTERIA TRAPPED INSIDE OF THOSE TINY CANALS AND TO THE INFLAMED PERIODONTAL LIGAMENT. THINK OF THE SPLINTER EXAMPLE.....

<<Sometimes I think it's the wisdom tooth it is a bit over exposed. Other times it feels like it could be all three teeth on a row premolars and first molar. >>

IT IS THE IRRITATION AND INFLAMMATION OF THE BUNDLES OF NERVES, ETC. DO NOT LET ANYONE CONVINCE YOU TO ROOT CANAL THE REST OF THOSE UPPER TEETH. THAT WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM BUT IT WILL CERTAINLY MAKE IT A WHOLE LOT WORSE. YOUR WISDOM TOOTH COULD HAVE SOME ROOT EXPOSURE WHICH COULD FLARE UP FROM EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS GOING ON IN THAT QUADRANT OF YOUR MOUTH.

<<My jaw on the same side also hurts often.>>

AGAIN THIS IS FROM THE INFLAMMATION. IT IS ALSO LIKELY DUE TO SOME GRINDING OR CLENCHING OF YOUR TEETH THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE OF. ANYTIME WE HAVE AN INFLAMED OR ACHEY TOOTH WE TEND TO CLENCH DOWN ON IT TO MAKE IT FEEL BETTER. SIMILAR TO RUBBING A BRUISE OR BUMP ON YOUR LEG. THIS CLENCHING OR GRINDING CAN FURTHER IRRITATE THE TOOTH LIGAMENTS, FACIAL MUSCLES AND TMJ JOINT.

A neurologist will prescribe medication to mask the pain which will do nothing to alter or cure the problem with the rc tooth. Typically medications are monitored, changed, dosages are altered and before you know it you are on a cocktail of meds while the original problem is still brewing in your head. After awhile, the irritated nerves in the face can become irreversibly damaged and irrelevant of removing the tooth, the neurological problem will become permanent. This is why you may have read here or elsewhere of people having their rc tooth removed only to continue to suffer with some form of neuralgia. The two missing facts generally associated with that scenario is that the rc tooth was retained in the mouth long enough to cause irreversible nerve damage and the extraction of the tooth at that point in time caused unrepairable damage due to the disease that was already present in that bone and surrounding area.

When you decide to remove this tooth, it would be best to see an an oral surgeon for the removal and not let your general dentist perform the extraction as the os is more experienced and knowledgeable about the nerve correlation.

If you want to learn more about the biology and systemic connection of rc teeth .. google Dr Mercola and George Meinig with the words root canal. You can also buy the book entitled The Roots of Disease, Connecting Dentistry to Medicine by Dr Robert Kulacz and Dr Levy.

I hope this information is helpful to you.

Thank you Brianna I love your posts how you always address everything mentioned very refreshing.
I am curious any idea how to tell if I have permanent nerve damage? That sounds scary and awful. My biggest fear is I will have this pain forever.

The tooth beside the rc often hurts it has two big fillings on the sides. I'm told it looks fine but could be a problem? I wouldn't want to have any work on it though, anyway to rule it out for sure? Food couldn't be getting stuck in it? As my problems seem to flare up if I eat things with little seeds. I am now scared to eat blueberries strawberries raspberries pears chewy chicken, lol, crazy.

I most likely grind my teeth, I consciously all day force myself to relax my jaw but I often clamp down on that wisdom tooth because it sticks out? Whatever the cause my jaw muscles are always tight I get regular massage/chiro doesn't help. I have been considering trying to find a tmj specialist, I have no idea how to find someone who is actually a specialist and not just self proclaimed. Though if I got rid of this other pain perhaps this would be a non issue. Any suggestions for finding a good dentist would be appreciated. We live in the middle of nowhere not many options around and driving hours to try different places isn't really an option I would drive hours for someone who is for sure good.
Anyway thanks again I think I will phone my dentist and ask to be sent to an oral surgeon.
Don't think I should take the endos advise and wait a month for the ligament to settle down? ( personally I hate waiting). This thing is like a constant itch I can't scratch. Doesn't hurt too much just it never lets up.

I've experienced a complicated situation involving simple dental work that went wrong. A crown on a cracked tooth with an rc tooth next to it. My cracked tooth was root canaled...what a horror. Then, I had it removed...the pain remained. I do not believe I had one single good dentist...although I went from dentist to dentist begging for help and was willing to spend anything for good care. Instead, I spent a LOT of money for horrible care and ended up with permanent pain and ill health.

I know my recent dental care was HORRID and I'm beginning to suspect the entire industry is wracked with LIARS, cheats, unprofessionalism, cheapskates and cruelty...and this has been going on for decades. Just IMHO.

I believe my severe and permanent pain occurred from dental work and it's been determined by oral surgeons and neurologists that the cause is damage to the Trigeminal nerve. One of the oral surgeons is also an MD...pretty cool. I trust him greatly.....he actually apologized to me for the dental profession. Odd, huh? *Correction...at least I think he has a better understanding of how dentistry can influence the body and oddly, he doesn't seem to trust dentists.

I think you should consider removing the tooth by a well respected oral surgeon and also see a neurologist, especially if your pain doesn't improve. Pam, don't panic, but some of your pain is similar to mine...so IMHO, you probably should try to make a decision soon.

Although I don't have it all worked out ... I highly suspect root canals are dangerous. I ordered the book mentioned above as well as "Root canal Coverup."

Thanks I must say though this is very scary. Trying not to be scared. I hope you get some relief.

Pam

Hi Vowel Lady,

You made a few statements that I think is only fair to clarify for the lay person so I will re-post them and give my two cents in bold type.. just easier to follow that way....

<<I've experienced a complicated situation involving simple dental work that went wrong. A crown on a cracked tooth with an rc tooth next to it.>>

ALL CROWN PREPARATIONS ARE NOT UNDER THE CATEGORY OF SIMPLE DENTISTRY. ALL DENTAL RESTORATIONS REQUIRE DRILLING INTO THE TOOTH. EVEN A TINY AMOUNT OF DRILLING CAN CAUSE BACTERIA TO MIGRATE TO THE PULP AND FURTHER.... OR NERVE DAMAGE TO OCCUR WITH THE NERVES INSIDE OF THE TOOTH. THIS RISK IS ELEVATED WITH THE SEVERITY OF THE DRILLING AS MORE AND MORE TOOTH STRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE REMOVED AS IN THE PREPARATION OF A CROWN. THE RISK ALSO ELEVATED EACH TIME THAT TOOTH IS DRILLED INTO TO REMOVE AN OLD RESTORATION AND PUT IN A NEW ONE OR DO A CROWN. UNLIKE COSMETIC DENTISTRY, FOR A CROWN TO EVEN BE SUGGESTED THERE HAS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TOOTH STRUCTURE ALREADY GONE OR THE REPLACEMENT RESTORATION WOULD SUFFICE WITH A FILLING.

THE RC TOOTH NEXT TO THE ONE THAT HAD THE CROWN PUT ON HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE "NERVE" PROBLEMS THAT YOU ARE EXPERIENCING. WHY? BECAUSE NOT ONLY WAS THIS TOOTH INFECTED AND INFLAMED PRIOR TO DRILLING INTO THE ADJACENT ONE BUT THE SURROUNDING NERVES, BONE AND LIGAMENTS WERE ALSO INFLAMED AND UNHEALTHY JUST AS THEY ARE WITH ALL ROOT CANALED TEETH. AS YOU KNOW TEETH ARE INTRICATELY RELATED TO BUNDLES OF NERVES THAT NOT ONLY SURROUND EACH TOOTH BUT THEN BRANCH OUT INTO OTHER AREAS OF THE MOUTH, FACE,..... ETC.

<< My cracked tooth was root canaled...what a horror. Then, I had it removed...the pain remained. >>

THE PAIN REMAINED AFTER THE EXTRACTION MOST LIKELY BECAUSE YOU HAVE RETAINED THAT OTHER INFECTED AND INFLAMED OTHER RC TOOTH AND/OR THE SURGICAL SITE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY DEBRIDED LEAVING BEHIND NECROTIC TISSUE.

<< I do not believe I had one single good dentist...although I went from dentist to dentist begging for help and was willing to spend anything for good care. Instead, I spent a LOT of money for horrible care and ended up with permanent pain and ill health.>>

THIS IS WHY I REFER TO DENTISTS AS TOOTH CARPENTERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN TAUGHT TO FOCUS ON THE TOOTH CARPENTRY NOT THE BIOLOGY. I INFORM PEOPLE TO NOT EXPECT THEIR DENTISTS TO INFORM THEM OF THE PROBLEMS WITH ROOT CANALED TEETH BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GO AGAINST THE TIDE AND RISK BEING OSTRICIZED BY THEIR PEERS. THE PATIENT IS THE ONE WHO HAS TO BRING UP THE SYSTEMIC CONNECTION TO THE DENTIST AND NOT BACK DOWN ON IT. THIS IS WHY I AM HERE... TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BECOME BETTER INFORMED SO THEY REDUCE THE RISK OF ENDING UP WITH A NEUROLOGICAL PROBLEM.

<< I know my recent dental care was HORRID and I'm beginning to suspect the entire industry is wracked with LIARS, cheats, unprofessionalism, cheapskates and cruelty...and this has been going on for decades. Just IMHO. >>

OKAY, YOU SAID IT. IT IS AN INDUSTRY NOT UNLIKE THE REST OF OUR HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY. IT IS THE $$$ THAT DRIVE MOST PEOPLE TO DO WHAT THEY DO FOR A LIVING AND DENTISTS AND DOCTORS ARE NO DIFFERENT.

<<I believe my severe and permanent pain occurred from dental work and it's been determined by oral surgeons and neurologists that the cause is damage to the Trigeminal nerve.>>

IT MOST LIKELY OCCURRED AT THE TIME OF THE FIRST ROOT CANAL AND IT HAS SPIRALED OUT OF CONTROL SINCE THEN. THE RC PROCEDURE CAUSES TRAUMA TO THE FRAGILE AREAS OF THE TOOTH... THE NERVE TISSUE AND BACTERIA BECOMES LODGED IN THE HUNDREDS OF TINY CANALS CAUSING THAT NERVE TISSUE TO BECOME NECROTIC .... THE BACTERIA BECOMES INFECTIOUS AND PROLIFERATES BEYOND THE TOOTH... ADD TO ALL THAT THE INFLAMMATION. THIS IS WHY IT IS SO LIKELY THAT RETAINING A SICK TOOTH WILL RESULT IN A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM LIKE NEURALGIA.

<<One of the oral surgeons is also an MD...pretty cool. I trust him greatly.....he actually apologized to me for the dental profession. Odd, huh? *Correction...at least I think he has a better understanding of how dentistry can influence the body and oddly, he doesn't seem to trust dentists.>>

IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR AN ORAL SURGEON TO CARRY A DUAL DEGREE. SOMETIMES THEY ADVERTISE IT SOMETIMES THEY DON'T. WHEN A PATIENT CONFRONTS AN ORAL SURGEON ABOUT THE RISK OF A SYSTEMIC CONNECTION TO A ROOT CANALED TOOTH, 9.5 OUT OF 10 ORAL SURGEONS WILL CONFIRM THIS TO BE TRUE. THEY ARE CAREFUL HOW THEY DISCUSS IT AND GENERALLY DO NOT OFFER AS MUCH INFORMATION AS I DO. THE HALF PERCENT OF THEM THAT DISMISS THE NOTION... ARE THE ONES WHO ARE EATING OUT OF THEIR REFERRALS POCKETS AND WON'T JEOPARDIZE THEIR INCOME BY GOING AGAINST THE TIDE.

<<I think you should consider removing the tooth by a well respected oral surgeon and also see a neurologist, especially if your pain doesn't improve. Pam, don't panic, but some of your pain is similar to mine...so IMHO, you probably should try to make a decision soon. ?|>>

IF NERVE DAMAGE HAS OCCURRED FROM THE TOOTH, IT CAN TAKES MONTHS OR YEARS FOR THE NERVES TO REGENERATE. IT DEPENDS ON HOW LONG THAT RC TOOTH WAS PRESENT, HOW MANY TIMES IT WAS ROOT CANALED, AND HOW PROLIFERATED THE INFECTION BECAME. NEUROLOGISTS ARE VERY QUICK TO PRESCRIBE A MYRIAD OF MEDICATIONS. NERVE REGENERATION CAN OFTEN BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH NUTRITION AND NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS. A NUTRITIONIST WOULD NEED TO BE CONSULTED FOR THE PROPER PATH. SOME PEOPLE WOULD CHOOSE THE MEDS... WHILE OTHERS MIGHT CHOOSE TO ATTACK IT FROM A NUTRITIONAL STANDPOINT. THAT IS WHY I MENTION IT.

<<Although I don't have it all worked out ... I highly suspect root canals are dangerous. I ordered the book mentioned above as well as "Root canal Coverup.">>

YOU ARE BECOMING BETTER INFORMED THAT'S FOR SURE! YOU WILL ACQUIRE A GREAT DEAL OF KNOWLEDGE FROM BOTH BOOKS.

I always welcome and appreciate your input here. I know so many people who are in your shoes and it saddens me to know what you are going through. Don't give up learning, you will find the answers you are looking for!

Pam,

You are welcome.

If you are talking about the nerve damage in your root canaled tooth... the damage is permanent, there is no reversing it or making that tooth healthy again.

If you are referring to possible nerve damage other than your tooth, there is no way to know if it is permanent. I can tell you for certain that the offending tooth is causing inflammation to the bundle of nerves that surround that tooth that are intricately connected to other bundles of nerves.

The adjacent tooth with the two fillings could definitely be contributing factors in the pain you are experiencing. One reason is because they are compromised with those large fillings and if the fillings are old they have micro leakage that is allowing bacteria to get in underneath them. Secondly the inflammation from the rc tooth had spread to that tooth given the time frame from when the tooth was first root canaled.

If that upper wisdom tooth is elongated and you are biting into it unnaturally... the it should either be shaved down if possible or extracted as this tooth can throw your entire bite out of alignment.

You don't need a TMJ specialist... you need to take care of that rc tooth and wisdom tooth as they are the likely and immediate culprits to your ongoing problem.

Bryanna

Well I'm trying to get booked with an oral surgeon hopefully sooner rather then later I don't have much faith in things going quickly. I am so tired of pain not sure if I can handle this much longer, I'm off to the advil bottle. Here's hoping I don't get an ulcer.

They just phoned could take 6 months to see a surgeon am I sure I don't want my regular dentist to do the extraction? He can get me in Thursday.

So maybe I should start a new thread but anyone get so tired of it all? I've been to so many dr appt. specialists physio chiro massage even osteopath. Nothing is ever better or figured out. I've wasted so much of my families money trying to get some kind of relief from pain only to be disappointed. But what can a person do but keep trying? Or give up? I'm not sure I could live with all my multiple pains. (By the way the endo clinic tells me I should take advil! Like I haven't already tried advil, or been taking advil). Anyway this is my internet break down thanks for anyone who reads this. Not sure what I'm trying to accomplish but I hate constantly complaining to the people around me. They don't need my pain. So on that note yay here's hoping my dentist doesn't screw up the extraction and all my face pain will disappear. Oh yeah my stomach is burnng figgin advil. Pretty soon I will cave to my dr and be on so many pills I won't need to eat anymore.

Thanks Bryanna...
I still am confused as it (the crown) seemed like a simple procedure as I had an onlay previously. Very very little drilling was done to the tooth in question (31). It was not an rc tooth at the time. However, the crown came back so huge, the dentist drilled the hexk out of the tooth above it and that tooth thank goodness is hidden cause it looks terrible.
The crown kept on breaking...so many times, I lost count. Months went by. I was at the dentist with new crowns trying to be put in for many, many weeks. Then, she decided voila...it finally fit and put permanent cement in. BAD idea. It cracked within three minutes...I never left the office. So, one theory I have is they were having their crowns made by "Joe the discount crown maker" who works out of his garage. I had my first twinges of pain at the next appointment when she spent about an hour trying to get that thing off. Then the owner decided to put in a post....OMG! That's when I got the pain from"outer space," which caused the office to scramble because they knew I was trying to keep from screaming bloody murder.

THEN...after getting a second opinion (more stoooopid crxp) I was told to rc the tooth. .

I'm not discounting the rc tooth next to the cracked tooth as perhaps playing a role. I think many things went wrong here....and if you think about it, when I got the rc (the first one or the recent one), no one ever told me that my health might be negatively influenced.

So again, more than one thing at play here. I do think my dentists and the crown material they were using are highly suspect. I can't explain all the details...but the attitudes, behaviors, tx and decisions in that office...plus the results all seem horrid to me! The adjacent rc tooth is something I'm on my own wondering about. Also wondering if I can get any good, trustworthy, professional input locally re: that rc tooth and what my options are. My pain, poor health and ENORMOUS distrust of this profession...well, it's a lot to get through trying to find a dentist I can work with....but I won't give up. I have to find someone!!!!

The first book came in and I've started reading!!!!

PAM...
Just saw your post! Please continue posting. Maybe you should ask around for more names of oral surgeons. Try not to worry about the money. Your health is what is most important. Do what you think is best for your health. And, brush and floss regularly and AVOID SUGAR! I just saw the movie "FED UP" watch it if you get the opportunity. It's about sugar....soooooo bad for us!