[amitsa]

Hi,

I am Amit from Mumbai,India. I am 40 ,diabetic since 2008,major depression since 2002. I had a root canal done on my lower left 5 teeth in December 2009. It was OK for the first 2-3 years but then I started to get neuralgia (severe nerve pain) on left side of my head. Also my root canaled tooth had started to pain severely as there was periapical abscess.
So in march,2014 I got the failed root canal extracted. The dentists in India are all very mediocre .There are no biological dentists here. She pulled out my root canaled tooth that had decayed but did not pull out the periodontal
ligament. Nor did she scrape out any bone which may have had any cavitations. She just gave me antibiotic dose of Cefadroxil 500 mg for 5 days and said everything would be OK.
My neuralgia grew worse and
there was sort of numbness in my head since the tooth was extracted. The area under the tooth where there was abscess used to pain with a kinda burning sensation. I noticed the tooth next to this removed tooth
Lower left 4 had become brittle and was paining. So I got it removed 5 days before. Even this time she hasn't removed the ligament or even the bone.
Since last 3-4 days, I see my head neuralgia and numbness has increased. I get night sweats and fever. The wound is healing good. I just started to do some research on dental procedures only 3-4 days before and
I realized what a mess the dentists here have made of me. I am really worried. I feel the ligament from first root canal tooth must have retained the bacteria which caused my adjacent tooth to rot.

I am extremely extremely worried. I feel the toxic bacteria are playing havoc on me. I dont know how if ever I am going to come out of this.

Can anybody tell me why this has happened ? What are my options now ?

Can I come out of this ? Or is it the end of the road for me ? Can I hope of any recovery ?

I have become all the more depressed.

Thanks.

Regards,
Amit.

[Lara]

Hello Amit.

Welcome to the NeuroTalk Support Groups.

I'm very sorry you are experiencing so many problems. If you have a fever the past few days and you're feeling so terrible, please go to your doctor.

I hope to read that you're feeling better soon. You're probably feeling more depressed because you feel ill.

I'm sure it's not the end of the road as you say!

[amitsa]

Hi,

I would anyway be seeing my doctor . What I want to ask is if the periodontal ligament is left in place ,what does it transform into ? Does it dissolve in the body or is it still there and a haven for the bacteria as Dr Hal Huggins says?
How may I know if there are any bone cavitations formed ? Does it show up on an OPG ? I heard if bone cavitations are small ,it is detectable only by Cavitat. Will I have to get the surgery done again by opening the socket and getting the ligament and bone cavitations removed if any by curettage ?
I have one question that always troubles me. I see even on this forum there are innumerable problems associated with root canals - they all fail some day. There have been three eminent dentists in the past Weston Price,George Meinig and Hal Huggins who died recently. All three of them have shown how dangerous root canals are and their toxic effects on the body. They contribute to several degenerative systemic diseases like Alziemers,ALS,Multiple sclerosis,auto immune diseases,cancer. Why aren't root canals banned by the dental associations like the ADA etc ? Root canals ,mercury amalgams are extremely toxic and produce terminal illnesses. I fell root canals should be banned. Nobody understands the suffering a person affected by its ill effects goes through. What is more important ? A person or his tooth.

Regards,
Amit.

[amitsa]

Hi,

Can somebody answer my ques if the periodontal ligament is left in place and bone cavitations if any not scraped,what might happen ? How dangerous is it ? I am really worried because all dentists here in Mumbai blindly follow the dentists in the West.

Should I go for resurgery ?


-Amit.

[Bryanna]

Hi Amit,

One major problem that occurs with root canaled teeth is the proliferation of infectious bacteria traveling into the periodontal ligament and bone from the infected necrotic nerve tissue that remains trapped inside the hundreds of inaccessible tiny canals. If the tooth is removed but the ligament and diseased bone is not, then the infection will continue to thrive even though the tooth is gone. Therefore, any tooth extraction requires the removal of the perio ligament and diseased bone to allow a positive outcome. Any diseased bone or tissue left in the area can contribute to a cavitation.

It is important to also know that any root canaled or infected tooth that is not extracted can also lead to a cavitation in the jaw bone as the infection travels into the ligament and beyond. When a root canaled or infected tooth has been retained in the mouth for any length of time, the risk of developing a cavitation even prior to the removal increases with the length of time that the tooth has been retained.

Any surgery performed any where on/in the body including the mouth needs to be sterile from the point of entry to the last suture. Leaving any remnants of debris or necrotic tissue or bone is not only unacceptable but it can have an impact on the immune system.

Cavitations are infections in the bone and they travel due to the vascularity of the bone. Any number of health problems can result from the spread of infection.

I cannot tell you if you should have the areas re-surgerized or not as there can be consequences with any type of surgery, even surgeries to fix a messed up surgery. A qualified dentist who is familiar with cavitations would be someone to consult. I would not suggest that you consult with a general dentist as it sounds like in India they may be lackin in their oral surgery education. Nor would I suggest that you have a general dentist attempt to perform a cavitational surgery. Do you have oral surgeons in your area? These are dentists who specialize in oral surgery?

Bryanna

Originally Posted by amitsa

Hi,

Can somebody answer my ques if the periodontal ligament is left in place and bone cavitations if any not scraped,what might happen ? How dangerous is it ? I am really worried because all dentists here in Mumbai blindly follow the dentists in the West.

Should I go for resurgery ?


-Amit.

[amitsa]

Hi Bryanna,


Yes. There are very good oral surgeons in Mumbai . The are normally designated as Oral and Maxillofacial surgeons and educated either in the US or UK. I will not be visiting a normal dentist any more. I have set up an appointment with an oral surgeon tomorrow. But I am really worried and repent not having gone to an oral surgeon before. I dont know how big a price I may have to pay for it. Also as you said,a resurgery may also have complications is disheartening for me. I am pretty much sure the ligament left during the removal of my first infected tooth has caused all this. I did my PET/CT scan ,MRI of the brain for nerve pain and everything is normal. The only problem I see is the dental one.

I never thought a tooth can be so lethal. It can destroy your life. I thought a tooth to be extremely insignificant. Only now have I realised its importance .It has cause me severe neuralgia (inflammation of the occipital nerves) and many other problems for which there seems no other reason. There is no history of any autoimmune disease or neuralgia in our family anywhere. I am the only person who has both of them and I am the only person in our family who has had root canals. Both these problems have started since my root canal got infected.

Therefore from my personal experience, I can assure that root canals cause auto immune disease as well as Trigeminal neuralgia. Root canals are lethal. Root canals are the root cause of all your problems. When I had my root canal, my dentist told me 'You need a root canal'. She did not let me
know about the dangerous effects it may have on your body. Most of the dentists dont know about these dangers (they are not taught about them at dental schools) and even if they do ,they would not inform you about these dangers. Because in that case you would not have a root canal. Almost all people have a decayed tooth in their life which causes pain and to avoid the pain ,one sees a dentist.So root canals are such a lucrative business for the dentist. If root canals are banned, dentists would loose more than half of
their money and that is the reason they dont want to ban it.The research done by the most famous dentist Weston Price almost a century ago has been deliberately subdued and concealed by the dental associations
like the American Dental Association for their greedy monetary motives. If you read his research, you will come to the conclusion that
if a person opts for a root canal,he is actually *admin edit*. They are that lethal. Root canals are a HAVEN for the bacteria to reproduce and sneak into your body to wreak havoc as and when they wish. They eventually destroy your immune system and your body. They are the root cause of all your health problems for whom you dont see any other reason.


Avoid root canals at all cost if you care for your health even a little. Please go for extractions as Dr Weston Price advocated almost a century ago. Keep your mouth as mother nature has given you. Do not stuff it with Gutta Perchas,Posts,Crowns, mercury amalgams,implants and other unnatural stuff. If you do, you are taking an extremely serious risk for which you may have to repent later. The dentist will never explain you how dangerous a root canal is. He doesn't care for your health or suffering. What he wants is his money for the root canal. Thats all. He doesn't care what happens once the root canal is done. Money is what he wants. Its your body and you should think what is good and bad for you.

I am writing this from my personal experience not because I liked Weston Price's or George Meinig's Focal Infection theory.

I again implore all the people on this forum - please read research done by Weston Price, George Meinig's book 'Root canal Cover up exposed' . It's true. Each and every word in the book is true. Avoid root canals at all costs even if it means having 10 teeth in your mouth (having the other extracted )and even if it doesn't look good. Remember Looks (caused by root canals) are deceptive. RCs will eventually destroy you silently.

All my brothers and sisters on this forum , I sincerely implore you again with earnest request Keep your mouth free of toxic and extremely dangerous inorganic materials. If you go for these ,you are risking your health. I am paying a heavy price for the foolishness of getting a root canal done.
I wish nobody should suffer like me. I am imploring you again - Avoid Root canals and live a longer healthier happier life.


Sincerely,
Amit.

[Bryanna]

Hi Amit,

I agree that root canaled teeth are highly toxic and cause or contribute to systemic health problems. Most people have no idea about the toxicity or health risks simply because they have not been properly, honestly informed by their dentists. The education that dentists receive does delve into the systemic connection between our oral and physical health. It also delves into the toxicology of retaining non vital and infected teeth. However, the main focus of their education is on the technical aspects of dentistry and how to sell their work.

If dentists were to openly admit to their patients that mercury fillings and non vital root canaled teeth were toxic, not only would they lose a big chunk of their income but that knowledge would cause a huge public pandemonium. So dentists remain cautious (if not silent) about discussing the subject of toxicity with their patients. The few dentists that are forthright with the information run a great risk of being ostracized by their governing bodies, their peers and eventually the public as it is difficult to get another dentist to corroborate with information that is not "popular" amongst the profession.

I think it is important that you clearly understand that your problems didn't start because the root canal got infected. Root canaled teeth are chronically infected because the procedure does not cure a tooth infection, it does not make a diseased tooth healthy again. Therefore the irreversible problem with the tooth began prior to the root canal being done and "retaining" the tooth is what caused or contributed to the proliferation of the infection and inflammation which is what is causing or contributing to your other symptoms.

I am very familiar with the work, writings and teachings of Meinig and Price. Have you read the book The Roots of Disease, Connecting Dentistry and Medicine by Dr Rober Kulacz? He was a colleague of mine and his book offers blatant honesty and factual patient accounts regarding the toxicity of root canaled teeth.

Yes, see an oral and maxillofacial surgeon as that is who is familiar with this type of surgery. You may have to be forthright with your learned information about what you believe to be the reason for your physical symptoms. As I said before, most dentists, even oral surgeons, are clearly cautious if not quiet about discussing this with their patients. Be mindful of how your information comes across as it is best not to sound like you are accusing your previous dentist for any wrong doing as that could prohibit him from treating you. Let it be known that you are well informed and that you want to know what your treatment options are to try and improve the quality of your health. Let it be know that it is your concern for your health that motivates you to follow this through.

Stay focused, not on the torment of what you are dealing with, but on what you hope to achieve for the long term and keep a positive spirit as much as possible.

Please keep in touch with us...

[amitsa]

Hi Bryanna,

From what I conclude from your post is that Dentists are literally cheating the people for their own selfish monetary gains. It is a bad bad world. The picture is ghastly and pitiful. Most people go in for a root canal therapy with an uninformed consent. They are uninformed about its dangers which amounts to actually cheating the people. How would a layman know about its dangers. The dentist has to inform him about it. If he doesn't ,it means he is being unethical. Will the dentist consent to take responsibility for the systemic diseases a person might get due to his root canal procedure ? The answer is No. Is this what medicine is all about ? Isn't a person's life
important ? Why should a person suffer for his dentist's greed for money ? By keeping him uninformed, the dentist is literally playing with the person's health. This is a very serious issue. Has a person's life got no value ? Everyday millions of root canals are being done putting innumerable lives at stake. Dentists are creating diseased people. A day will come when you will have a society full of serious diseases. And who will be responsible for this ?


Has the dentist ever thought of what a person afflicted with serious systemic diseases due to his root canal is going through ? Has any dentist ever thought of the pain and suffering such a person is going through ? Imagine if the dentist gets these diseases ,how would he feel ? I dont agree with you that I had neuralgia before my root canal. All my problems have cropped up only after this root canal mess. I have tried Oxcarbazepine for my neuralgia. I am currently taking Pregabalin 150 mg daily for my neuralgia and that too isn't helping because the root cause is the bacteria. Who is responsible for this? I think it is the dentist who did my root canal without informing me of its HIDDEN dangers. I have fever every other day and get night sweats which my haematologist said are due to the borderline auto immune disease. Who is responsible for this ? *admin edit*

I know if you are a whistleblower,you will be ostracized by the dental associations. I suppose that was the case with Meinig. But I respect Price,Meinig and Hal Huggins. They are the REAL dentists. Because they
considered public health above their own monetary interests. The rest are just money makers or I would call them Dental terrorists not dentists. I would rather live like an Ostracized dentist than a Dental terrorist.I would personally give preference to public health over my monetary interests. I will have peace of mind that way.

I beg and request all my brothers and sisters on this forum. Avoid root canals.
Avoid root canals...... I wish I could write this a million times.
Dont compromise your health with degenerative diseases for this dangerous procedure. Whats the point in living a life full of deadly systemic diseases just for the sake of a tooth.

Dont fall a prey to your dentist's allurements and suggestions for a root canal.
Take the back seat and think. Read and do research before you want to go for this procedure if at all you do not believe in me.Gutta percha can never seal off the root canal no matter how hard one tries. There are innumerable accessory canals through which bacteria are going to reach the apex of the tooth. The dentists never inform people about these accessory canals.
As Dr Hal Huggins says in some people, root canal may be asymptomatic for decades because they have a very good immune system. Even then a RC will put an UNNECESSARY HEAVY burden on your immune system.
It will have to fight the bacteria day and night UNNECESSARILY. It is uncalled for. It will eventually shorten their life.

Also I would use this forum to request the Australian Dental Association (if at all anybody from there is reading it) to ban root canals. I have requested the Indian Dental Association. But in our country India, they follow blindly what the US and UK does. They consider them as benchmarks because they are developed countries. So unless and until these two countries
ban them, unfortunately the IDA is not gonna do it. And I dont think it is ever going to happen because we have greedy dentists everywhere. If they dont pay any heed to eminent dentists like Price, Meinig and Huggins ,how will
they ever hear me ? Its a pity that in all the countries, the dentists are just concerned about their money and not about the health of their patients. This is really very unfortunate and ghastly.

My earnest imploration - Stay away from root canals.Get tooth extracted. Live a disease free life.

-Amit.

[atron23]

Originally Posted by amitsa

All my brothers and sisters on this forum , I sincerely implore you again with earnest request Keep your mouth free of toxic and extremely dangerous inorganic materials. If you go for these ,you are risking your health. I am paying a heavy price for the foolishness of getting a root canal done.
I wish nobody should suffer like me. I am imploring you again - Avoid Root canals and live a longer healthier happier life.


Sincerely,
Amit.

Amit, I must come here to say thank you for your post and sharing your experience. I am finding myself in a very similar situation as you. I had a root canaled tooth that was extracted in October and I have had terrible health since. I cannot seem to convince my dentist that I am still having issues with this extraction as after x-rays, they don't seem to see anything wrong. I made myself an appointment to see an oral surgeon to take a look at this and I have another infected tooth that I will just be having extracted instead of having a root canal performed that I am hoping the oral surgeon will extract. I have done much research myself and again, I must thank you for posting the information you have found so I can arm myself with that as well.

Have you spoken to your oral surgeon yet? I am afraid that I will be stuck in the same situation, in which he won't believe what I'm trying to say. I would like to convey the information I have found about bone cavitations, the periodontal ligament, abscesses etc, in a way that will not offend him and make him feel like I'm trying to tell him what's right. I am just wondering how you went about asking for the help you needed while providing some of the research you did yourself?

Thank you!

[Bryanna]

Amit,

Just to clarify... I did not say that the root canal was not the cause of your neuralgia. I happen to believe based on my professional experience working with thousands of dental patients that the root canal procedure itself.... as well as root canaled teeth since they are chronically infected.... can easily be the cause of certain types of neuralgia.

What I said to you about the onset of your problems being prior to the rc procedure was pertaining to a cavitation in which any infected tooth, root canaled or not, that has been retained (kept in the mouth), for any length of time can cause a cavitation to occur in the jawbone. You had your root canal done in 2009 and although you thought you were symptom free for 2-3 yrs, the infection and inflammation was actually brewing the entire time. According to you, you had symptoms of neuralgia for 2 years or so before you had the tooth removed. So a cavitation could have been occurring prior to the rc procedure and then progressed over the years. Since the sites were not debrided thoroughly, the bacteria and diseased tissue is still present in the bone. An oral surgeon has to determine if further surgery is necessary. But you need to be very clear on what your symptoms are, the durations of your symptoms and what you hope to achieve.

I also must agree that dental patients are not properly informed of the health risks of retaining diseased teeth and I believe everyone has a right to be informed. However, most people do not want to have their teeth extracted and the only option then would be to do the root canal. Dentists know that this is only a temporary, at best, remedy for a patient to retain their unhealthy tooth. But many people would rather keep their sick tooth than lose it. I have had countless patients who after being fully informed by me about the systemic risks of retaining their infected tooth, to still opt to have the rc procedure done.

The root canal procedure is a huge money maker especially since it can be done on the same tooth many times only to end up with the same or worse outcome. It is something that is offered as a temporary way to retain a tooth for an undetermined amount of time to people who are adamant about keeping their teeth. All dentists know this is only at best a temporary remedy but unfortunately it is not marketed as being temporary nor is the information about the systemic consequences disclosed to the patient. Extracting teeth and living without our natural teeth also carry their share of consequences which should be explained to the patient as well.

Dentists are not evil people. They are practicing what they have been taught and that is what they earn their living on doing. Many do not even give a second thought to how their patients dental health affects their overall health. Those teachings were not emphasized in their schooling as much as the technical teachings were.

The irony behind what you have said about society is already true. We are a society of critically diseased people and amongst the many common health risks that people have, the two that always come to my mind are mercury fillings and root canaled teeth. Sure gives us something to think about....

Bryanna

Originally Posted by amitsa

Hi Bryanna,

From what I conclude from your post is that Dentists are literally cheating the people for their own selfish monetary gains. It is a bad bad world. The picture is ghastly and pitiful. Most people go in for a root canal therapy with an uninformed consent. They are uninformed about its dangers which amounts to actually cheating the people. How would a layman know about its dangers. The dentist has to inform him about it. If he doesn't ,it means he is being unethical. Will the dentist consent to take responsibility for the systemic diseases a person might get due to his root canal procedure ? The answer is No. Is this what medicine is all about ? Isn't a person's life
important ? Why should a person suffer for his dentist's greed for money ? By keeping him uninformed, the dentist is literally playing with the person's health. This is a very serious issue. Has a person's life got no value ? Everyday millions of root canals are being done putting innumerable lives at stake. Dentists are creating diseased people. A day will come when you will have a society full of serious diseases. And who will be responsible for this ?


Has the dentist ever thought of what a person afflicted with serious systemic diseases due to his root canal is going through ? Has any dentist ever thought of the pain and suffering such a person is going through ? Imagine if the dentist gets these diseases ,how would he feel ? I dont agree with you that I had neuralgia before my root canal. All my problems have cropped up only after this root canal mess. I have tried Oxcarbazepine for my neuralgia. I am currently taking Pregabalin 150 mg daily for my neuralgia and that too isn't helping because the root cause is the bacteria. Who is responsible for this? I think it is the dentist who did my root canal without informing me of its HIDDEN dangers. I have fever every other day and get night sweats which my haematologist said are due to the borderline auto immune disease. Who is responsible for this ? *admin edit*

I know if you are a whistleblower,you will be ostracized by the dental associations. I suppose that was the case with Meinig. But I respect Price,Meinig and Hal Huggins. They are the REAL dentists. Because they
considered public health above their own monetary interests. The rest are just money makers or I would call them Dental terrorists not dentists. I would rather live like an Ostracized dentist than a Dental terrorist.I would personally give preference to public health over my monetary interests. I will have peace of mind that way.

I beg and request all my brothers and sisters on this forum. Avoid root canals.
Avoid root canals...... I wish I could write this a million times.
Dont compromise your health with degenerative diseases for this dangerous procedure. Whats the point in living a life full of deadly systemic diseases just for the sake of a tooth.

Dont fall a prey to your dentist's allurements and suggestions for a root canal.
Take the back seat and think. Read and do research before you want to go for this procedure if at all you do not believe in me.Gutta percha can never seal off the root canal no matter how hard one tries. There are innumerable accessory canals through which bacteria are going to reach the apex of the tooth. The dentists never inform people about these accessory canals.
As Dr Hal Huggins says in some people, root canal may be asymptomatic for decades because they have a very good immune system. Even then a RC will put an UNNECESSARY HEAVY burden on your immune system.
It will have to fight the bacteria day and night UNNECESSARILY. It is uncalled for. It will eventually shorten their life.

Also I would use this forum to request the Australian Dental Association (if at all anybody from there is reading it) to ban root canals. I have requested the Indian Dental Association. But in our country India, they follow blindly what the US and UK does. They consider them as benchmarks because they are developed countries. So unless and until these two countries
ban them, unfortunately the IDA is not gonna do it. And I dont think it is ever going to happen because we have greedy dentists everywhere. If they dont pay any heed to eminent dentists like Price, Meinig and Huggins ,how will
they ever hear me ? Its a pity that in all the countries, the dentists are just concerned about their money and not about the health of their patients. This is really very unfortunate and ghastly.

My earnest imploration - Stay away from root canals.Get tooth extracted. Live a disease free life.

-Amit.