Julie,

It would be wise to start taking the sacharomyces boulardii supplement asap.

Also, get back to the salt water rinsing 3-4 times a day.

Did you see the dentist today?

Bryanna

The poster of this discussion said the injection was sadistic. I didn't suggest it was given with intent. it's always an accident. There is a huge world of difference between a normal injection and one that makes you jump from the chair. If the OS isn't notified about the ongoing pain.. he just assumes everything was perfect. are you under the impression that injection injury is non existent?

Julie,
You are getting right advice from Bryanna (she is the kind angel who helped me through my RC teeth extraction) and so I will not further give you any suggestion related to the teeth.
However related to immune system -
1) I just want to make sure you are not taking any refined flour or any refined sugar right? Sugar impacts the immune system.
2) This might sound like a placebo to you - but just keep affirming that your immune system is bouncing back, working in perfect harmony with the universe to keep you safe and healthy. I'm a big believer in the power of positive thoughts/ affirmations and it works for me and to some of my friends too (if and when you have time check out Luise L Hay's books or affirmations)
3) I'm happy that you do Mudras, please continue...you may not see any immediate help but they will be working silently in the background...
4) I'm glad you will be consulting a naturopath / homeopath
5) Finally here is a blog which motivated me to do without antibiotics - you might find it helpful - see how the blogger benefited from Enery work -
http://greensmoothiegirl.com/2012/11...h-were-pulled/

Remember this time will also pass like any other time (like water passing under a bridge) and you will be well before you know it.

Cleo,

Do you know what a palatal injection is? Have you ever had one?

These injections are referred to as nerve blocks and even with the best technique, they can be uncomfortable and perhaps even painful. Also, the interpretation of the experience will differ from one person to another for many, many reasons.

The palate is a very sensitive area of the mouth and the tissue covering the palate is very thick, very fibrous and very tightly connected to the underlying bone. In order to penetrate the palate well enough to infiltrate the pathway of nerves with the anesthetic the needle has to be pushed far enough in or the anesthetic will not be effective. Some people feel the needle going in, while others do not. Sometimes it will feel sharp, other times it won't.

Based on what the poster stated, she was very nervous, in pain, and had an inflamed and infected tooth. Her dentist gave her a poor impression of himself as he seemed to have little compassion for her anxiety. All of those physical and emotional things happening at the same time will cause an elevation in her cortisol (adrenaline). The combination of heightened cortisol, pain and fear will cause the psycho-biological nervous system to become more sensitive or acute making everything and anything very uncomfortable.

There are techniques that can be used to try and reduce the discomfort during a palatal injection. However, we really don't know if they were used or not by this dentist because his poor attitude was perceived as sadistic. You cannot always use pain as an indicator of something bad happening. But when you are in a heightened state of fear, any pain will be perceived as bad.

I am not condoning this guys chair side manner or his lack of compassion. I feel he could have and should have been more caring and obliging to this patient. I also cannot vouch for his skill or the technique that he used because I was not there.

There is no such thing as a "normal" injection when talking about anatomy or pain as everyone's anatomy is a bit different and everyone perceives pain and discomfort differently. An injection can be given according to the textbook and still end up wrong due to that patients anatomy. Because we cannot see through the skin to visualize the nerve pathways, we have to assume that they are at least somewhat in the vicinity of where they are suppose to be.

It is not unusual for a dental patient to move, jump or wince during an oral injection. After all, a needle is being put into a sensitive area of the body and the perception of that can be quite disturbing. It is also not unusual or automatically harmful to feel pain, stinging, burning or other radiating pain during an oral injection. At the same time, any or all of those sensations can be indicative of a nerve injury.

I am well aware that injection injuries do occur and acknowledge that they are often un-diagnosed or misdiagnosed. I think it is important that a dental patient make their dentist aware if they have searing pain during an injection either during the injection or after so that it is written up in their chart just in case there are lingering problems.

I am also aware that some dentists give lousy, careless injections. But the majority of dentists tend to be concerned about the ramifications and although they may not be gentle with the injection, they still deliver it properly.

Dentistry is complicated due to the different anatomical features from one person to another. So it's important to keep in mind that as a lay person naturally one would assume anything out of the "textbook norm" would be injurious. But in reality, that's just not the case at all.

Bryanna

Hi Everyone,

Sorry I disappeared for a few days. Here is a little update on what’s going on.
I went back to my regular dentist and of course he was unconcerned and saw nothing. He told me to keep taking the antibiotics. On my way home I was wishing that the holistic dentist I had called could get me in sooner because I really have felt there is something wrong.

Within a few moments of that thought I got a phone call and they had a cancellation and could see me that very day. The law of attraction is always at work! So I got with my spouse and off we went. It was closer than I originally thought more like 2.5 hours instead of 4.

It’s the best experience I have ever had at a dentist’s office. He had all the latest technology, some that isn’t even used in the USA quite yet. He spent 2.5 hours analyzing my teeth and mouth. He took plaque scrapings and analyzed them under a research grade micro-scope with a big screen right in front of me. At first I was thinking, “Oh no, this is the most elaborate sales pitch ever!” but it wasn’t. It was just the most thorough evaluation of my mouth that I’ve ever had. He did find one spot that needs to be filled (others we’ll try to re-mineralize); I’ve decided to go the ceramic route on my fillings from now on, which is more expensive. However, he did offer me a high grade resin/ plastic but we had already discussed and seen in my own mouth fillings “leaking” due to their age. Also I’m concerned about xeno-estrogens, especially considering that my TMJ might be the result of estrogen imbalance (that’s from my research not his). So ceramic is the best choice for me.

He saw on the X-ray that my left sinus is filled with fluid. He says if these stronger antibiotics don’t take care of the sinus infection that it could be fungal, which would make sense given the amount of candida that was in my mouth. Since it’s a problem that has originated with my tooth, he is willing to prescribe me an antifungal and a different antibiotic if I’m not better at the end of these. He also prescribed using my neti pot with xylitol in the solution 5 times a day, to starve out the fungus. I had to order the xylitol (it’s hard living in a small rural town sometimes!) and won’t get it until Saturday. Until then I’m just using the saline solution.

As to potentially having infectious bone tissue from not having the socket cleaned out I am going to have to wait and see. I’m going back for the filling, a cleaning, and to have a cone x-ray done in October. He says if it’s going to form a cavitation that by then he will be able to see it. So fingers crossed that my immune system can bounce back and kick some butt before then… Now I can rest easy knowing that no matter what problem arises in my mouth I have someone who actually knows what’s going on in there.

On a sad note I do have vertical cracks running down my front teeth from my TMJ. I can’t believe all the times I’ve been to the dentist (twice a year every year!) and not once did they tell me just how much I was damaging my mouth. I’m going to have to address the TMJ in the very near future. He has ordered some very cool technology that will analyze my bite and all the muscles to go with it, so when he gets his new toys I’ll be waiting in line for an evaluation. Until then, I’ll up my magnesium, try to destress, and address maybe getting a better pillow.

Now I’d like to respond to people individually.

AH2015,
I don’t eat any processed food and maintain a very low carb (sugar, grain, starchy vegetables) diet, so no worries on that count. To understand genetics and health better I read the book Deep Nutrition: Why Your Genes Need Traditional Food by Catherine Shanahan MD. It changed my life forever.

I fully believe in the power of the mind. Our thoughts produce incredibly tiny vibrations and thus are maybe the most powerful thing on the planet. The trouble is in controlling and directing our thoughts. With the depression from the antibiotics I have had trouble during this time on keeping with the positive but I am working constantly to redirect my thoughts.

After reading the link you provided, I feel like I will be addressing replacing my crowns with the metal in them and also having my last RC extracted. I was already headed down that path, especially after seeing how grey my gums are where they touch the crowns but it just reaffirms it. It might take a while to afford all of this dental work but there is no price on being and feeling healthy!

I wish I lived in a more progressive area and could find someone that worked with energy healing. I’ll have to look around but I’m pretty sure I’d have to drive a day away for that.

Thank you for your comments… It helps to keep in mind that all this will pass. Without suffering how can we ever appreciate the times that are good?

Cleo,
You are right. I said sadistic and I meant sadistic. I might have some nerve damage. I am still feeling little shots of pain in that spot occasionally. I did pay that dentist. He did the job (kind of, minus cleaning the socket!) that he was asked to do… Karma is an amazing thing though. It will come back to him, either in this life or the next. He will have to learn to put people above the money he makes. Fortunately, he’s so old that I think he’ll retire soon and he needs to. Maybe he won’t hurt too many more people before then. I won’t even call him to talk to him… Especially since I’ve found someone who actually cares :)

Bryanna,
To address your debate with Cleo. The pain I was in was more in my sinuses, with the RCed tooth itching to the point that it was driving me mad (my new dentist said that it might have been the glue used when it was reattached). Not the kind of pain that one would call acute. I was very nervous but I don’t flinch and move around during procedures. Both my RCs have been on the upper teeth, so I’ve experienced the painful pallet injection a few times. When this OS injected my pallet the first time he did it too quickly and most of the anesthetic poured into my mouth. I’ve since learned this is common with older dentists… They think quicker is easier for the patient. I don’t think he realized how little he got in there. So when I requested more he did it more to placate me, he was irritated at my anxiety, than to numb. He thought I was already numb and wouldn’t feel how rough he was being with the injection. He was wrong however and I felt it very clearly and had an involuntary muscle reaction to the pain. Of course he did all this with a smile and very little sympathy. He should have been less worried about throwing off his ridiculously over booked schedule and more worried about my comfort. I hate to talk badly about someone but living in the south I’ve just about had it with all these old doctors that can’t get with the program. They play god with your body and you have to suffer the consequences. I should have followed my instincts and left as soon as I got there… But I was more afraid of the infection than I was of shoddy care. I kept thinking surely with so much experience I’m in good hands. Lesson learned for me, when my instincts scream at me “Don’t do it!” I’m going to pay a lot more attention.

My new dentist seemed to feel the extraction sight was healing up okay. With the new regimen he put me on for oral care I think it will be fine. I had a lot of bacteria in there especially considering that I was antibiotics. Now I can feel a difference in my mouth already and I think that it’s helped with the healing considerably.

I got the sacharomyces boulardii supplement yesterday and will take the first one with lunch today. I am really hoping it helps with my depression.
I want to thank you. If it wasn’t for your comments I think I would’ve tried to wait it out. That would have been a huge mistake. I can’t say how grateful I am for my new dentist. I know that he will get me on the road to recovery. I will be in better health for addressing all the issues in my mouth instead of just the exploding ones.

I said at the beginning of this that I don’t normally reach out for help or advice. I’m so grateful I did.

Thank you to everyone who took the time to respond to this thread.
Julie

Hi Julie,

Glad to hear that you have a found a dentist who you are comfortable with and who seems to really care about your health. So YAY for that!!

Regarding a debate with Cleo... I am not here to debate, I'm here to educate. Because there are numerous "unknown" attributing factors surrounding actual dental and medical procedures, IMO, it is never wise to immediately assume that someone has injured you. I have enough chair side experience to comprehend how the OS treated you and I don't doubt that he was rough and "old school". But the symptoms that you had/have following this tooth extraction may not have anything to do with the injection and that was my point in recommending that you get an evaluation from another dentist. As you stated, there is still some uncertainty as to what may or may not be occurring in the jaw bone at the surgical site which again may or may not have nothing to do with the injection.

Glad you are going to take the S. Boulardii supplement. I hope it helps!

The book you mentioned .... Deep Nutrition.... that was a textbook requirement when I was studying nutrition. I too found Shanahan's information thought provoking. As a matter of fact, I am currently re reading it!

Hope you continue to improve and please keep us posted!