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Old 08-17-2016, 12:22 PM #1
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I do have a phone call into the oral surgeon. I am going to talk to him about what he is planning to do. Also, the ENT told me to make sure he does a bacterial sample when he takes it out. So I want to discuss that with him. I want to make sure he does a thorough cleaning with this. It is feeling more infected every day.
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Angels,

Again you are contacting the first surgeon who does not want to remove the implant. Who has not be forth coming with you, dismissed your symptoms and infection, scared you into doing the implant ... anything else?

The ENT once again is sticking his neck out to you because he is concerned that the surgery will be incomplete. He is not going to say those exact words to you ... but he's informing you of the importance of having the culture done. The surgeon should not have to be told to do that but it's clear that he doesn't give a damn. He is not going to be open to anyone suggesting or tell him anything. He is going to do whatever the hell he wants and you're going to let him.

I feel awful for you. This got way out of hand right from the start. The first red flag with this oral surgeon was his reluctance to collaborate with the ENT and to recognize the obvious on going symptoms that you kept presenting with of a bad infection. Instead, he scared you into doing the implant.

Please, step back, take a deep breath and think this through.

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I do have a phone call into the oral surgeon. I am going to talk to him about what he is planning to do. Also, the ENT told me to make sure he does a bacterial sample when he takes it out. So I want to discuss that with him. I want to make sure he does a thorough cleaning with this. It is feeling more infected every day.
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I talked with him on the phone and he is still saying that there is no infection even with the MRI. He says I need to go to an Infectous disease doctor, which I am fully aware of. He clearly doesn't think anything is wrong. He told me I had these symptoms long before the implant, but I told him I haven't felt well since the implant. I asked him if it was supposed to hurt, he said no that is not normal. He said he will take the implant out and clean it but there will be nothing to clean as there is no infection. He said he won't prescribe antibiotics either. I will have to pay again if I want another implant, so I am thinking he is still charging me. I still have the ability to stop payment on the credit card. The problem is both doctors, The ENT and the other oral surgeon said to have him take it out. Even though I Told them I want the second oral surgeon to do it. I am getting worse by the day, I feel horrible and want this thing out. He is willing to do it and even will do the bacteria test. I have to go pick it up and the ENT's office though.
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Ok, I went to pick up the bacteria test kit at the ENT and the girl behind the desk made a remark that she can't believe the oral surgeons office does not have that. Then I started thinking, what have I got myself into? What if he takes this out and it does unleash bacteria, I could get very sick. I told the girl to have the ENT call me today. No calls yet. But, also I picked up my MRI and have the narrative part and the CD. Is there anyway I can send at least the narrative part to you?
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Oral surgeon 2 failed to help just last week. Oral surgeon 1 sounds more like a general dentist wanna be making the $$$ of an OS?? Angels.... YOU need an outside 3rd opinion from an Oral Surgeon who deals with facial nerve trauma and bone disease before you do anything that puts you in a life long condition!
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I talked to the ENT tonight and he is going to get me in to Infectous disease doctor next week. My husband talked with my father in law tonight who is an orthopedic surgeon who knows about bone infections. He says do not go back to this guy as well as the Malpractice attorney I talked to today. I have to cancel my appointment to have the implant taken out in the morning. So I am NOT going back to oral surgeon #1. The ENT is pretty sure the implant is in my sinus also and apparently the radiologist who did the report is the the best in town. The ENT says there is compelling evidence of a bone infection. I really want to go to oral surgeon #2 because he is so highly recommended by the ENT. He does not seem to be running an oral surgery "mill". I will keep you updated.
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Angels,

YAY!! This is the BEST news EVER!! Thank you for stepping back and changing direction. This is exactly what you needed to do!!!

Because of the changes you have made and the stand that you have taken ... the IDS, ENT and other oral surgeon are going to hop on board. That is exactly what needs to happen. Thank God your father in law stepped in with his professional opinion and I am so glad that he is confirming everything that I have said here!!!!!

I am so happy that you have taken control of this .... now just stay on this course!!!

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I talked to the ENT tonight and he is going to get me in to Infectous disease doctor next week. My husband talked with my father in law tonight who is an orthopedic surgeon who knows about bone infections. He says do not go back to this guy as well as the Malpractice attorney I talked to today. I have to cancel my appointment to have the implant taken out in the morning. So I am NOT going back to oral surgeon #1. The ENT is pretty sure the implant is in my sinus also and apparently the radiologist who did the report is the the best in town. The ENT says there is compelling evidence of a bone infection. I really want to go to oral surgeon #2 because he is so highly recommended by the ENT. He does not seem to be running an oral surgery "mill". I will keep you updated.
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Angels,

I will pm you my email address. You can email me the narrative. Keep in mind that I am not a dentist or a doctor so I won't be of any use to you in a legal battle. However, I am open to offering you professional insight that you can use to help inform yourself better.

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Ok, I went to pick up the bacteria test kit at the ENT and the girl behind the desk made a remark that she can't believe the oral surgeons office does not have that. Then I started thinking, what have I got myself into? What if he takes this out and it does unleash bacteria, I could get very sick. I told the girl to have the ENT call me today. No calls yet. But, also I picked up my MRI and have the narrative part and the CD. Is there anyway I can send at least the narrative part to you?
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I wouldn't be to quick to jump into # 2s chair without backup of 3. I had 4
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Cleo,

Please clarify why she should have 3 or 4 "back up" surgeons and how she is suppose to go about doing that when she is in a crisis situation?

Her case is very different than yours and she needs attention asap. Her case requires a competent oral surgeon (the second one happens to also be an MD and acknowledges the severity of the infection), an ENT doctor (who also acknowledges the severity) and an Infection Disease Specialist. I think that sounds like a pretty good plan to me!

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QUOTE=Cleo;1221014]I wouldn't be to quick to jump into # 2s chair without backup of 3. I had 4[/QUOTE]
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