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Old 06-22-2017, 11:04 PM #1
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He told me not to rinse like normal just to hold warm salt water on that side and then repeat. I have been doing things really gentle anyway.
He said if salt water does go up in nose not to worry it wont do any harm.

He never said anything about the inflammation, he just said it may have been there before this all happened. I do have a deviated septum and regularly have stuffiness that side due to my allergies anyway.

I was going to do some research on the inflammation because I think that may hinder healing, do you have any suggestions? Maybe he never suggested anything due to my MCS. I have bought some eucalyptus oil and Alba oil and possibly do some steam inhalation, would that be ok or to harsh.
Any good herbal remedies for this inflammation?

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Glad you got in to see the oral surgeon and they took a ct scan.
The term fistula and sinus tract can be interchangeable. In that case it means, yes, there is a definitive opening into the sinus from the extraction site. A fistula of 6.6 mm in diameter is a good size opening. Hopefully it will heal on its own. Did he give you at home instructions of what to do and what not to do between now and next week to try an promote healing of the membrane and reduce the inflammation?

The debridement that I refer to on many posts is correlated with the actual extraction. Every time a tooth is extracted, the dentist is suppose to thoroughly debride the bone socket, remove the periodontal ligament and any disease tissue or bone that is visible clinically or radio graphically. If that debridement is not done immediately and thoroughly after the tooth is extracted, then the dead ligament can prevent or prolong complete healing. Not debriding is like leaving debris in a surgical wound.

When a sinus communication is repaired, the surgeon will debride the surgical site, the sinus and the surrounding area. The degree of that debridement depends on how well the site was debrided at the time of the extraction and if there is infection present.

The hope is that the sinus communication will close on its own. The extraction site, the gum tissue, may or may not close before the sinus opening closes. The bone will not fill in at the area of an open sinus. The sinus needs to be closed for the bone to fill in there.

With or without a sinus opening, the jaw bone normally takes up to one year after a tooth is extracted to solidify. The gum tissue closes over long before the bone solidifies.

The actual surgical repair is of the sinus membrane. However, the gum tissue and bone are involved during the repair surgery.

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David,

Some suggestions of what NOT to do:
- Blow your nose
- Pinch your nose closed as you did previously to check for air communication
- Drink through a straw
- Rinse with anything other than salt water
- No inhalation of oils as the sinus membrane is very delicate and it's best to avoid disturbing the natural attachment that you are trying to achieve.
- No hard core cardio exercise as this increases the heart rate, elevates the sinus pressure, etc.


Some suggestions of things to do:
- Eat anti inflammatory foods and avoid sugar and processed foods. Avoid dairy and very cold temp liquids or foods as they can increase mucus production.
- Drink plenty of filtered water throughout the day to stay hydrated and flush out toxins, all of which reduce systemic inflammation. Ideally, most people do well with drinking in ounces, half their body weight. Ex: weight 100lbs = 50 oz of water per day.
-Warm herbal teas like white, green, tulsi, or thyme all anti inflammatory. Add some raw local honey (if possible) as this is one of the greatest immune boosting foods you can eat.
-Some supplements that support the immune system and lower inflammation, should be of good quality .... vitamin C, quercetin, and turmeric.
- Massage anti inflammatory essential oils, like eucalyptus, in a carrier oil to the outside of your face over the area above your extraction site. Apply a moist heat over that area for better absorption. Essential oils applied topically are very therapeutic. Remember, a drop of these oils is very potent.
-Take homeopathic remedy, Arnica 30 C or 30 X, 3-5 times a day to promote healing.
-Gentle exercise like stretching or yoga to promote lymph drainage and reduce inflammation.

What do you normally do or take for your sinus allergies? How is your diet? Do you eat organically or .....?

Bryanna





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He told me not to rinse like normal just to hold warm salt water on that side and then repeat. I have been doing things really gentle anyway.
He said if salt water does go up in nose not to worry it wont do any harm.

He never said anything about the inflammation, he just said it may have been there before this all happened. I do have a deviated septum and regularly have stuffiness that side due to my allergies anyway.

I was going to do some research on the inflammation because I think that may hinder healing, do you have any suggestions? Maybe he never suggested anything due to my MCS. I have bought some eucalyptus oil and Alba oil and possibly do some steam inhalation, would that be ok or to harsh.
Any good herbal remedies for this inflammation?
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Oh great suggestions, I will pop out to health shop tomorrow.

haven't been drinking any black tea, (have 2 sugars, eek) since extraction, only herbal teas, licorice & peppermint and echinachea and cranberry.
Will cut out cheese.
Will stop my milkshakes
No processed (though normally do dabble)
Always try to get organic veg and fruit but not always available
Need to up my water intake, doing about a 1 litre, will increase to 2 as my urine is pretty dark.

Dont take anything for my allergies as I seem to react to many tablets. I tried an American product called Allercertin that gave me some relief but the major headaches that came with it was not worth the swap.

The dentist who did extraction gives me Traumeel (German product) after extraction. I think it has anti-inflammatory properties. I am taking that 3 times a day

I bought some fresh thyme the other day, I will make some tea with it. was worried about that though because somewhere said its quite potent.

All the good health shops are closing down that I usually go to.
The other day I went to a shop near the dentist to get my usual stock up of pure cranberry juice 100% organic, Udo's choice Ultimate oil blend organic omega 3,6,9's. Got Udo's choice super 8 just in case I will need antibiotics.

Dont get me wrong I am no super healthy eater all the time, (I love my occasional macdonalds, pizza, chocolate and crisps). Maybe its time to say goodbye to them and get in a really healthy routine. Have reaped the rewards in the past with eating strictly healthy diet. And I had noticed good improvement in my health in the past with doing regular exercise, (walking doing my leaflets for work and bike riding.) But then its so easy to slip and go into the bad habits again.

Have been thinking of moving as where we have been for the last 4 years is close to sewage plants and water treatment plants so we get constant nasty smells. This side of London is known to be industrially dirty. All this no good for me and my MCS. Would love the country but need to be long way from farms due to the pesticide spraying and the drift it can give. (pesticides are my no.1 enemy).
Only area I think would be a safe zone would be mid Wales in the valleys. at least 3 - 4 miles from any farms.

Will crack on with the instructions ma'am, my stuffiness and cheek pain is worse today, I dont see any improvement so will try to get out of my slightly depressed state and apply some positivity. My close friend says he admires me how I crack on with all my health problems, though it does take it toll.




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David,

Some suggestions of what NOT to do:
- Blow your nose
- Pinch your nose closed as you did previously to check for air communication
- Drink through a straw
- Rinse with anything other than salt water
- No inhalation of oils as the sinus membrane is very delicate and it's best to avoid disturbing the natural attachment that you are trying to achieve.
- No hard core cardio exercise as this increases the heart rate, elevates the sinus pressure, etc.


Some suggestions of things to do:
- Eat anti inflammatory foods and avoid sugar and processed foods. Avoid dairy and very cold temp liquids or foods as they can increase mucus production.
- Drink plenty of filtered water throughout the day to stay hydrated and flush out toxins, all of which reduce systemic inflammation. Ideally, most people do well with drinking in ounces, half their body weight. Ex: weight 100lbs = 50 oz of water per day.
-Warm herbal teas like white, green, tulsi, or thyme all anti inflammatory. Add some raw local honey (if possible) as this is one of the greatest immune boosting foods you can eat.
-Some supplements that support the immune system and lower inflammation, should be of good quality .... vitamin C, quercetin, and turmeric.
- Massage anti inflammatory essential oils, like eucalyptus, in a carrier oil to the outside of your face over the area above your extraction site. Apply a moist heat over that area for better absorption. Essential oils applied topically are very therapeutic. Remember, a drop of these oils is very potent.
-Take homeopathic remedy, Arnica 30 C or 30 X, 3-5 times a day to promote healing.
-Gentle exercise like stretching or yoga to promote lymph drainage and reduce inflammation.

What do you normally do or take for your sinus allergies? How is your diet? Do you eat organically or .....?

Bryanna

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Its been 1 week now since I had seen the OS. sinus communication does seem to be improving, though I ended up doing things to aggravate it like shouting at my cat when he dug his claws in my leg, or blowing a bug off my arm in the garden and then thinking, why the heck did I do that. Then the cheek pain intensifies. Don't have any water coming into nose anymore.

Got 1 week left before going back to the OS. Have been doing some research on the procedure he suggested to fix the communication, Plasma Rich Growth factors. It does seem much more less intrusive than the buccal technique. I am a wee bit hesitant on the PRGF though due to additives to my blood to form the gel. Worried if I will react to it due to my MCS. Leaning towards the buccal op but it looks gruesome. Wish I never watched it on youtube now.
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Went back to the OS today. He said the gum is trying to close and to allow another 4 weeks to see if gum closes over itself. A little roughness on one side of the closing gum and he would like that to heal a little more as it may hinder the stitches if I did the surgery now. If it is still open in 4 weeks then go ahead with the surgical closure with PRGF.

I am eating much better now and using more anti-inflammatory foods like spinach, red peppers and broccoli.

Bought some good quality Vitamin C powder and Coconut oil. Waiting on the Arnica and quercetin.

Using Manuka honey in my herbal teas and adding thyme and ginger

Going to delve into cooking some snacks with live yogurt and 85% cocoa chocolate adding things like cinnamon, vanilla extract and nuts.

Looks like I may be saying goodbye to my belly
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1 month now since extraction and communication. Hard work, phew. Have learnt that you need to talk softly and avoid pronouncing words that start with B,F,M,P and few others and try to pronounce those words with your lips open. Even going out shopping and out and about aggravates the healing.

I am waking in the morning with improvement though for last few days but after eating you start noticing the fluctuation of communication. Still have a whitish discharge from the area that sits on the gum. The other day it wasn't there and I didn't notice any fluctuation and I was so happy, then I washed the car and it was back.

Only supplement my body reacts to is the quercetin so I have stopped that for a while. It is a solgar quercetin complex so it may be the additional properties that it has. I may in a few days open a capsule up and just start with a quarter of it and see how I go.

Well that's the weekly update folks. Will post next week.

P.S. Seen a nice place in Wales. Please heal mister sinus communication so I can call the estate agent and they can understand me !
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5 weeks now. I went to OS few days ago as I was getting a sharp needle pain occasionally for a few days and had milky white discharge for about a week or so. No foul smell or anything so the discharge wasn't bothering me until needle pain came so thought I would let him check it out.
He said no infection and not to worry about the discharge. The needle pain he said was the sinus membrane repairing itself. My next appointment is in a week and if it hasn't closed them will go ahead with P.R.G.F.
Gum wasn't as red as it was last time and he said there is granulation tissue, though there was an indentation in the gum.

He put my mind at rest so that was great as I am a naturally born worrier.

I have noticed it is healing but not closed yet. The other day I thought it was closed but then when I did my daily inner mouth photo (yeah I know, a bit geeky and obsessed) there was a bit of food stuck in there blocking the hole. Out with the salt water gentle rinse.

Hope it heals by next week, that would be
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