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Old 07-30-2010, 05:10 PM #1
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Default Chronic fatigue? Rule out Candida first!

One of the leading symptoms of having too much Candida in your system is chronic fatigue. Candida is the fungus and yeast that take over your digestive tract when the helpful bacteria that usually reside there are taken out by antibiotics. Over time Candida weakens the intestinal lining and leeches into your blood stream spreading throughout your body. People who go on Candida elimination plans often experience a great increase in their energy levels. This includes many people who have been diagnosed with 'Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.' Research for yourself and look into it.

Candida causes all kinds of other problems too including food sensitivities, joint pain and stiffness, anxiety, foggy brain, and the list goes on and on. Many of the things we normally associate with just getting older can be attributed to Candida. In my case, I had developed a food sensitivity to gluten and wheat which was causing me to twitch, tremor, cramp, and jump at night (like a falling dream). I thought I had a neurological disorder at first like Parkinsons, MS or ALS. It can't hurt to check this out for yourself! Good luck in your quest for answers.
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Yes, and avoid fungal/ mould food like cheese and mushrooms, anything fermented, all yeast products.
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Does it help if you take some of those "good bacteria" pills?

I have had chronic pain and fatigue for many years. Maybe I should try those pills. Could it help? Could it make things worse?
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Does it help if you take some of those "good bacteria" pills?

I have had chronic pain and fatigue for many years. Maybe I should try those pills. Could it help? Could it make things worse?
No, it won't hurt to take the probiotics, but unless you do something to take care of the Candida first, it will do you little good. Candida greatly inhibbits your body's ability to absorb the nutrients from the food or supplements that you eat. This is part of the reason for its contribution to fatigue, but it is also the reason that taking probiotics before taking care of the Candida is ineffective. Just as the good bacteria keeps Candida at bay in a healthy digestive system, the Candida keeps helpful bacteria at bay in an unhealthy digestive system.

Your best bet is to take aggressive dosages of anti-fungal supplements such as olive leaf for a few weeks prior to starting treatment on probiotics. Avoid sugars and artificial sweeteners too as these feed Candida. I'm on Dr. Jeffery McCombs' anti-Candida plan and have had nothing but excellent results thus far. There are other plans on the market that I'm sure work just as well, but I only have a personal experience with the McCombs Plan. Candida die off taxes your body's liver and kidneys, so it Dr. McCombs recommends that you relieve these organs by sweating for 10 to 15 minutes daily. The skin is the body's largest detox organ and sweating allows your body to quickly get rid of excess waste. Many who go on anti-Candida plans who do not sweat experience cold or flu like symptoms for this reason. Let me know if you have any further questions and I'll be more than happy to help.

I am just into week 8 of Dr. McCombs' plan and I have so much more energy than I have had in years. I don't have trouble falling asleep anymore either. Its like a new lease on life. Best of luck.
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Personally i think the whole candida thing is a cock and bull story. The only reason it occurs is if something goes wrong and its presence can alert a doctor (by checking the tongue) that something else is wrong e.g. infection, problem with the immune system, cancer etc. etc...
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sorry MetalMX, but I absolutely disagree with your comment above. I know from personal experience that the candida "thing" is most certainly NOT a "cock and bull story", and find that a rather flaming remark for you to make

Candida overgrowth can result from many conditions, but it can also be a primary cause of disease, just as any other parasitic infection can.
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Their is no way in the world candida overgrowth can do anything or is clinically relevant to anything.

Candidiasis occurs in those who are immunocompromised such as AIDS or cancer patients. Then it is clinically relevant.

It would only be relevant ( to the person not a doctor) if their diet consisted of nothing but soft drinks, donuts and crap food day in day out then yes you've made your own problems right their, but the diet itself would be causing you more harm than any "overgrowth" of yeasts could ever have.

Parasites can be pathogenic and invasive, yeasts are cannot.
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Personally i think the whole candida thing is a cock and bull story. The only reason it occurs is if something goes wrong and its presence can alert a doctor (by checking the tongue) that something else is wrong e.g. infection, problem with the immune system, cancer etc. etc...
I agree... It seems highly doubtful to me.
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Celiac disease, triggered by gluten proteins from wheat in susceptible people, can damage the central nervous system. The cell walls of Candida, the yeast responsible for oral thrush, vaginal infections and intestinal Candidiasis, contain the same protein sequence as wheat gluten and may trigger or stimulate Celiac Disease.....
The surface proteins which wheat and candida fungus have in common is hyphal wall protein 1 (HWP1). HWP1 uses oligosaccharide sugars to cross link with the tissue transglutaminase which holds cells together on the surfaces of our small intestines.

However, this study does not reach far enough. Everyone's immune systems start identifying harmful antigens like candida by the protein sequence in HWP1. In celiac patients the immune system creates antibodies which attack anything associated with HWP1. In celiac patients and everyone else the immune system releases zonulin in the presence of HWP1. Zonulin causes the intestine walls to become porous, and passes the intestinal contents into the bloodstream undigested.

Because both candida and wheat gluten contain HWP1, BOTH the celiac reaction AND the permeability reaction are triggered by either candida or wheat gluten.

This website shows that about 90% of candida and gluten symptoms are identical.
http://www.candidapage.com/cccomp.shtml

Why? Because the above "zonulin dump" places candida, gluten, bacteria, viruses, complex sugars, large proteins and metals into the bloodstream. From the bloodstream candida and gluten continue attaching to tissue, and become the objects of further immune responses.

What can we do? Obviously quit eating gluten. But candida? Candida thrives on anything which tastes sweet. So you know the rest.
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Secret agent man did an excellent job answering this post!! Make sure if you treat the yeast(possibly with diflucan or nystatin, you also take a great probiotic supplement to re-establish the good bacteria in the gut!
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