I want to thank people for reading this thread. I want to especially thank people who have posted to it. As I said, I really don't have much in the way of qualifications to research fibromyalgia stuff on the internet. I just feel that this is something God wants me to do. You are a great encouragement to me. God bless you all.

Wasabi

Wasabi,

I looked at the article on F poisoning in guinea pigs. I guess I wonder why the common lab findings like hematocrit, Ca level wouldn't be screwed up in humans (me) like they were in those piggies. I'm guessing I have a lower level contam, or more of a chronic prob rather than an acute toxicity.

I wonder whether some kind of "challenge" test could be done for F as they do for heavy metals, like mercury.

I appreciate the advice on the water filters. Hadn't heard about the Al one, only the reverse osmosis. Also, I am familiar with chia seeds, and use them on occasion. Haven't been extremely impressed with what they do for me, however I appreciate their historic value & know they are extremely nutritious.

Although I know that for myself, F is definitely one of my fibro triggers, I am troubled that in several yrs. of talking up the fluoride hypothesis among fellow sufferers, virtually none of them has found F to be a trigger. A few (not all) have done F elimination, without observable change. So, I gotta wonder.

There is quite a lot of research showing a significant subset of fibro sufferers having low-grade viral infections, and companion research showing good improvement in fibro symptoms when this subgroup is given antivirals. Not generally recognized in clinical med yet, though. Whether there is an effect immunologically from the F -- quite possible, given its widerangeing nasty effects.

I am very concerned at the impact of fluoride on all people & the entire environment. I've even panned moving to one locale where an aluminum smelter was located. Al smelters put out TONS or airborne F, and a lot of it settles into the soil, gets into the groundwater.

There is so much groupthink in the clinical communities, dental & med, that sometimes I despair. One of my periodontal hygienists has MS & is married to a physician. She noted my refusal for topical F & inquired why ... "educating" me of how safe the fluoride really was ... to which I respectfully requested she search Medline or Google Scholar ...

Keep up the good work, Wasabi.

I don't know how many anesthetics contain fluoride, but there is at least one:

http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?&verb...fier=AD0751430

And at least one sedative (Isoflurane):

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

Although I am focused on making the connection between fibromyalgia and fluoride poisoning, I realize that fluoride poisoning may be only one of several causes or perhaps a supporting cause of fibromyalgia. So, I would like to digress a bit and share a couple of alternate theories about fibromyalgia. One theory is proposed by a chiropractor who believes that fibromyalgia is caused by a misaligment of the base of the skull and the uppermost neck vertebra. (you need to login to Dr. Whitcomb's website to see the info - starting with What is Fibromyalgia)

http://www.stopfibro.com

Another theory proposes that fibromyalgia is caused by scar tissue, or fibrosis which in turn causes ischemia. This article makes a good point: "Pain meds have no effect on relieving the pain of ischemia!" If this is true, it would explain why many fibromyalgia sufferers suffer severe pain, even while taking larges doses of powerful pain meds.

http://www.systemicenzymetherapy.com...bromyalgia.htm

To test out the second theory, one could try taking Neprinol. Be sure your doc approves of taking Neprinol. Since it gets rid of excess fibrin, it can have an impact on your blood's clotting ability - especially if you are already taking anticoagulants. Also, Neprinol is not cheap:



Also try doing suitable moderate low repetition resistance exercises, again with your doctor's approval.

Now, some people believe there is a viral component to fibromyalgia. Therefore, you might also consider taking coconut oil at the same time. The following article discusses research documenting reduced viral loads from taking coconut oil (for HIV):

http://www.doh.gov.ph/SARS/coconut_oil.htm

wasabi

there is coconut derived anti-microbial available called MONOLAURIN (made by Ecological Formulas) which is lauric acid supplement

re Fluoride....when my son (who has Tourette Syndrome) had his first and last ever fluoride treatment at the dentist years ago, it made him jittery and nauseous for days thereafter

we avoid all fluorided products wherever possible

Thanks for the info about Monolauren. I happen to really like coconut oil, but there may be others who prefer getting this ingredient by itself.

Here are some other potential sources of fluoride that you might want to avoid:

Insecticides

Refrigerants and propellants. The aerosol propellant, 1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane is not supposed to cause any symptoms at low concentrations. Yet... (see section titled "Ringing in Ears"):

http://fluoridealert.org/pesticides/...-pesticide.htm

By the way, before 2001 when PFOS chemicals were supposed to be phased out, you could have been exposed to fluoride from insecticides like Raid, and even from Scotch Guard:

http://fluoridealert.org/pesticides/....sulf.page.htm

As I mentioned at the very beginning of this thread, I believe that supporting the kidneys is very important in cases of fluoride poisoning/fibromyalgia. Here is something that can help:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/p...ycnogenol.html

My wife and I use a product called Moducare.

Any asthma sufferers who use fluorine containing propellants in their inhalers could also be getting fluoride in their bodies. (see section titled "Ringing in Ears"):

http://fluoridealert.org/pesticides/...-pesticide.htm

http://schoolasthmaallergy.com/html/inhaler/index.html

I am having a hard time deciding whether or not to post the following link. I believe the information on fluoride toxicity and its effects is excellent. On the other hand, the author has some material especially in other articles on his site that are religiously and politically objectionable. I do not endorse any of his religious or political views. I am reluctant to give extra exposure to this site by this link. On the other hand the material on fluoride is extremely important. And I really don't have the time to go through his articles and post relevant bits of information piecemeal. Please read this material critically. Remember, just because he's a smart guy doesn't mean you have to agree with all of his conclusions:


MODERATOR NOTE! sorry.........that link had to be removed.........the material on there may be highly offensive to many of our members.

I just want to add to that disclaimer!!

There may be some interesting fluoride stuff on those last three links but there is also a LOT of errrrrrr strange commentary so reader beware....you are entering a zone where you truly need to discern fact from fiction!!