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Old 02-13-2007, 09:50 AM #1
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Default Cerebellar Ataxia

One of my sisters has been diagosed with this condition that is incurable. It is simply a shrinking of the cerebellum and it destroys motor functions, slurs speech, later on it will not allow her to swallow. They say it is similar to Lou Gehrigs disease. She has been battling it for a number of years until she was diagnosed at the Mayo Clinic this past June. They have no idea how progressive it is; I guess each person is different. She is in assisted living as she wants to be as independent as possible for as long as she can. She is already walking with a walker and her speech is definitely slurred. She has to think really hard to form her words. My heart just aches for her. She keeps her spirits up and has been told she has added a lot already to their community at the assisted living facility. I just wonder if anyone has heard of this condition and if you would have anymore information about it. Mostly its progression. Thank, Cathy
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Old 02-13-2007, 09:05 PM #2
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Hi Cathy,

I am so sorry to hear about your sister.

There is one thing I hope the doctors have considered, and that is gluten sensitivity as a possible cause for cerebellar ataxia (intolerance to gluten found in wheat, rye, barley). Some studies say it may be responsible for up to 40% of idiopathic cerebellar ataxia, and possibly even some forms of hereditary ataxia.

Do you know if your sister has been tested specifically for antigliadin antibodies? The reason this is so important is that some people with ataxia and antigliadin antibodies have improved on a gluten free diet. Unfortunately, sometimes existing damage may be permanent, but the progression may be slowed or stopped with gluten free diet. The studies can be found below.

Much of the research on this has been done by Dr. Marios Hadjivassiliou from the UK , but there are others who have found similar results. I know that Dr. Hadjivassiliou works with other doctors who have contacted him, so if your sister's doctors needed to know more in regard to appropriate testing they could try to contact him.

In particular, you may want to look at these articles of his:

Autoantibody targeting of brain and intestinal transglutaminase in gluten ataxia, Feb 2006

Cerebellar abnormalities on proton MR spectroscopy in gluten ataxia, July 2005 - free full text

Dietary treatment of gluten ataxia. Sept 2003 - free full text

Gluten ataxia in perspective: epidemiology, genetic susceptibility and clinical characteristics. Mar 2003 - free full text

The humoral response in the pathogenesis of gluten ataxia. Apr 2002

Clinical, radiological, neurophysiological, and neuropathological characteristics of gluten ataxia. Nov 1998

Gluten sensitivity as a neurological illness. May 2002 - free full text

The Neurology of Gluten Sensitivity: Science vs. Conviction -
Choreic syndrome and coeliac disease: a hitherto unrecognised association, Apr 2004



Also check out these pages of The Gluten File:

The Neurological Manifestations of Gluten Sensitivity

Gluten Ataxia

This may be a long shot~ but I just want to be sure that the doctors have considered this....because it may provide for a glimmer of hope. Here is a page about Diagnostic Testingfor celiac disease/ gluten sensitivity... but I would recommend contacting Dr. H. directly because I know there are other tests he'd likely recommend in regard to gluten ataxia.

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I'm sorry too.

Please do pay close attention to the information in Cara's post. Gluten sensitivity and B12 malabsorption are probably two of the most underdiagnosed conditions, and it isn't dangerous or very costly to cover both.

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Thanks, Rose, for the specific mention of B12 deficiency. How could I have neglected to mention that ? Vitamin E and CoQ10 deficiencies are also associated with cerebellar ataxia, and googling cerebellar ataxia with any of these should bring up lots of supporting data. Now, one would hope that the good doctors at Mayo would have considered these things, but you never know, and lab tests are not 100% accurate in determining underlying deficiencies. We know from personal experience how often B12 deficiency goes unrecognized for so many reasons. I'd want to be sure I had strong levels of all of these.

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Old 02-15-2007, 11:25 AM #5
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You gals are so great, unbelievable really. I heard back from my sister this morning and she as well was so thankful for your kindness. However, she and her doctor, who was part of Dr. Andrew Weil's Integrative Medicine group at the University of AZ, (pretty impressive I thought), decided that more testing was not the right way to go as she struggled with this 3-4 years before diagnosis. She has pages of testing from Mayo so she might have been tested, she's not sure. I'd like to share her words as she really touched me with them, and, I suppose each of our journeys will take us one day to the point where she is: "My body can't take any more uphill climbs above and beyond the ones I already face each day. If I allow my body what it needs each day, my body reciprocates with the best it can each day. We are content with each other -- my body and I -- and my quality of life in Maria Joseph manor is good -- the best possible outcome I believe." So I think we now just hope and pray for a lot of good days and the strength to live the best we all can.
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Hello Cathy,
I have no idea where to begin. My name is Linda and I care for my hubby Mike. See 6+ yrs ago my Mike became very ill he was only 47yrsold. At first he lost his sight(back in about 3 min) got a Real bad headache and started to sweat. To the hospital we went after church.They said he had a bad headache LOL. Then our crazy life began. Neuro dr1 said it was in his head and depression, 3 months of that and I was ready to kill the dr.. Neuro dr2 said depression,we never went back.. Neuro dr3 and many more test said Binswanger disease and strokes and gave him 5yrs to live..Then 1yr later said nope thats not it either,migraines and depression.. Neuro dr4 saw him for 1yr and knew if she did not figger it out fast he was going to die.. Our dr contacted the dr the other people talked about in here Dr H. He told her what test to do.. And 4yrs to the day when Mike got sick we Finely had the answer Gluten Ataxia... The wheel chair is in the attic(not the car). No more walker,balance is better. Short term memory is ok.. No more stroke like episodes.. Mikes TTG was 17.1 Dec 2005,, 11.8 Sept 2005,, 11.5 April 2006,,
6.40 March 2007.. TTG is a gluten blood test..It checks for antibodies in your blood.. He is on a very strike Gluten free diet.... Our story was in the magazine called Living Without winter issue(Dec2006)...Feel free to email me.. at mhowell3@rochester.rr.com
Take care ..Linda and Mike
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Happily, B12 testing is not necessary. Whether tested or not, and whatever test results might have been, at least 1000 mcg per day B12 (not extended release) should be taken by anyone with symptoms, just in case. It is safe and inexpensive.

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Old 04-10-2007, 03:35 PM #8
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I haven't been on in a while and was surprised to see more posts here. Thank you most humbly once again for caring and I sure hope and pray that your husband is, and will remain, better. I'm so sorry that people have to suffer so much just to find out what is wrong with them. I would have thought that most doctors were beyond 'it's all in your head and depression'. It makes me see red.

Anyway, just wanted to send blessings and thanks!
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Default Spinocerebellar Ataxia (aka SCA)

My DH has SCA (unknown genotype). There are about 26 genotypes that have been identified to date, not to mention gluten ataxia. Only about 10 of the genotype tests are available to the public, and he has turned up negative for all 10 of these as well as non-responsive to a gluten-free diet.

Many {{{HUGS}}} for your sister, Cathy! She is a trooper!! My DH is 52 yo, and had to retire last August because he was no longer able to do his job due to all of the coordination issues. In general, SCA causes slow but steady loss of coordination in all motor functions, including walking (poor balance), talking (slurred speech), and swallowing.

To top this off, he's losing his hearing and is not happy about getting hearing aids, to put it nicely. I had to quit my job to help him and it's not going well. We have 2 boys to put thru college, each of whom has a 50% chance of inheriting this disease. I must go back to work soon.

I'm scheduling an appointment at UCLA ataxia clinic. While we know there is no cure, they might have some suggestions to alleviate his depression (and therefore mine!).

There is additional information at this website:

http://www.ataxia.org/

There used to be an ataxia section here at NeuroTalk, but it has disappeared, which is really sad because there were some very nice people and I miss them. I hope they are all doing well!

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gluten free diet may take a long time to have an effect...if ever....it may only stablize the situation....CoQ10 def is also related to ataxia issues, good luck
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