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Old 11-10-2020, 08:01 PM #11
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Caroline, smallpox is now extinct in the wild because of a world-wide vaccination program. That is why people no longer get vaccinated against it (vaccination against it ceased about 50 years ago).

I see no reason to doubt that vaccination against another infectious and often lethal virus (Covid-19) will be different.
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I wonder if my parents who both died in their 90's ever had childhood vaccinations, if they even had them back in 1915 or so when my parents would have entered 1st grade.....thinking on all the history.
My father was born in 1902 and I distinctly recall his smallpox vaccination scar. It looked much larger than mine and wasn't on the arm--it may have been on his leg but I can't recall. Anyway, they had smallpox vaccinations even back then. My mother had one too (born 1903).
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Just talking to another person on another group and he has heard a lot about Herd Immunity and he's kinda under impression everyone would die and I tried to explain to him also, that this too, millions of us could have the coronavirus in our bodies and don't know it and keep going. So much of the fear instilled in the people is probably doing so much damage to our immune systems to begin with......think on that....
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Mine were born in 09 and 10 and don't recall the vaccination scares or talk from them. But it's interesting for me., and my smallpox vac in about 1943 to get in school, I had a pretty big scab on my arm for a while and then it went away for years and left a mark and then about 10+ yrs ago a big brown scab formed in that area and it's been there for over 10 yrs and I use oils on it and can rub some of it off, but it's there...and wonder what that is all about.....it does not hurt so I don't go to docs about it. Feel it's part of the vaccine ...
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Caroline, smallpox is now extinct in the wild because of a world-wide vaccination program. That is why people no longer get vaccinated against it (vaccination against it ceased about 50 years ago).

I see no reason to doubt that vaccination against another infectious and often lethal virus (Covid-19) will be different.
Vaccination for small pox ended in 1972 when it was eradicated in the USA.

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My father was born in 1902 and I distinctly recall his smallpox vaccination scar. It looked much larger than mine and wasn't on the arm--it may have been on his leg but I can't recall. Anyway, they had smallpox vaccinations even back then. My mother had one too (born 1903).
It was 1798 when the small pox vaccination came about. My scar is on my upper thigh. It hurt when it was done. Of course I wasn't born back then.

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Caroline, a lot of what you say is so confusing to me.

I don't understand why you are advocating "Herd Immunity" when you mention you wouldn't take a vaccine anyway.

There are only 2 ways to get herd immunity. One is natural infection and the other vaccination if and when that becomes safely available. That though is reliant on majority of population having said vaccine. I certainly wouldn't be happy having it considering how rushed it's all been either.

If you're actually advocating gaining Herd immunity naturally by infection, it is in my opinion morally and ethically wrong. If you are advocating it so strongly and would refuse a vaccination anyway then why not move to Sweden. We can learn much from them regarding natural herd immunity. Not any of it good.

Just the name itself... herd. Lambs to the slaughter comes to mind.
What do you have against the Swedish approach? What country's approach is the best? The US? The first lockdown in the UK hasn't worked and we are in a second lockdown. Surely we are just delaying the inevitable that we will have to face the virus instead of hiding from it. The survival rate from Covid is now 99%. The average age of death with Covid is 82 in UK that's actually higher than without covid. People die when they are elderly of a variety of causes and the death rate caused by Covid is grossly exaggerated.

One only has to look at the Post Vaccine Neuropathy Rabies thread to see the complications of vaccines. I am very wary of such a quickly produced vaccine particularly one that has undergone no long term testing.

I think suggesting Caroline moves to Sweden is a little disrespectful. ** She is a sweet and kind and well meaning lady. We should all be Camerados at this difficult time and look out for each other.

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What do you have against the Swedish approach? What country's approach is the best? The US? The first lockdown in the UK hasn't worked and we are in a second lockdown. Surely we are just delaying the inevitable that we will have to face the virus instead of hiding from it. The survival rate from Covid is now 99%. The average age of death with Covid is 82 in UK that's actually higher than without covid. People die when they are elderly of a variety of causes and the death rate caused by Covid is grossly exaggerated.

One only has to look at the Post Vaccine Neuropathy Rabies thread to see the complications of vaccines. I am very wary of such a quickly produced vaccine particularly one that has undergone no long term testing.

I think suggesting Caroline moves to Sweden is a little disrespectful. (As well as infantile) She is a sweet and kind and well meaning lady. We should all be Camerados at this difficult time and look out for each other.
I wasn't being disrespectful or infantile, but thanks for telling me I am. I think that was exceptionally rude of you. btw, Sweden was the example I used for herd immunity because it would allow her to do everything she advocates and just get on with life without all the inconveniences of masks which apparently can potentially cause cancer she said.

Caroline wants herd immunity without taking a vaccine herself either as far as I can tell. I am totally confused by what she has been advocating and she's certainly not looking after me or you or anyone else with her approach. She's looking after herself. She has said that.

My whole point of the past two threads was that people need to be looking after each other.

I don't live in the USA, I am Australian and I totally stand by my comments.

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We don't expect people to always agree....but calling someone "Infantile" for expressing their opinion is a flame, and in itself, actually the most "disrespectful" thing said on this thread, also violating our guidelines.

Rather than try to keep editing it out of the quoted post and response, it may be best to just lock this thread now.

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