If you've had experience with a combination of these things, all at one time, please would you write a word about it?

I ask because about two months ago I was feeling so not well that I finally went to the dentist, yes, Dentist.

He took x rays, looked very worried, said I had "bone loss" and sent me to a Periodontist.

The Periodontist had a set of questions to answer before seeing him, and one of them was, "Do you have bumps on your neck?"

I did, and never thought much of them. I sort of assumed they were from not eating enough fresh fruit and veg.

But no. Apparently they can be related to an infection. In my case, my gums have grown over my dental implants, totally covering them, and the infection is eating into my bone.

The infection is why I am so tired so much of the time; it is why my eyes burn (because I'm feverish), and it's apparently the cause of the bumps on my neck.

I learned something else from the Periodontist that I thought was very VERY interesting, and that's that when someone takes a lot of Ibuprofen, it affects the bone.

I was taking quite a lot for a year, 600gm 3 or 4 times a day. And then for another year I was taking less, but still a lot.

I'm not sure Ibuprofen affects all bone, of if it's just that in the jaws, or maybe it's only the jaw bone when there are implants involved.

But in any case, I have to have surgery to remove the bad, infected bone, and then a graft.

Okay... so that really scared me. I realized that I hadn't been taking magnesium as much as I used to... and I was sorry that I had stopped consistently taking magnesium since magnesium is very good for bone.

In an attempt to improve I got into a routine of taking magnesium, a multi, Milk Thistle, Lecithin, alpha lipoic acid... and Ta Da, Whey amino acid powder. I took the lot of these three or four times a day.

My hope was that I could strengthen the bone a bit before surgery.

Well... something surprising happened. It turns out that since I've been taking these things every day, I've had a lot of improvement with my nerves.

I'm someone who's big on B12. I know that B12 in its methylcobalamin form restores nerves. I've kept records, and I have seen it do amazing things.

For instance, I've had tetanus and I used to have just horrid peripheral neuropathy; as a result I had a B12 shot a day for quite a few months. That's when I had significant improvement with my peripheral neuropathy. (It's pretty much totally gone now. Except when there's massive stress.)

Stress is a big problem for me. I don't handle stress very well, and it tends to make my tetanus symptoms come back -- by that I mean, tight muscles, a sort of wriggling worm feeling in my abdomen, pain...

Even a little stress could cause me to be bent over again.

However, since I've been having the amino acids it seems as if my nerves remain "healed" for longer, and stand up to more stress.

I'm not in perfect health now, by any means. And it's not completely simple because I've also been sleeping longer and more deeply since I've added these supplements to my daily routine. So I'm sure the added sleep is helping in the healing. (Ever since I had tetanus I've always been the best in the morning, after sleeping. So I'm sure that's from the restorative powers of sleep.)

This is a bit of a jumble, I know. But I wanted to write about how my teeth were making me sick... and I was wrongly thinking that my problem was that my tetanus was not going completely away. (The tetanus symptoms weren't going completely away, but I think that's because of the infection.)

It's two more months till the surgery... I opted for later rather than earlier so as to hopefully build the strength of the bone up a bit.

Before the surgery there will be more x rays. When there's a second set I'll be able to see if there is bone improvement. (I think there is, because the "abscess feeling" I used to have on the roof of my mouth is pretty infrequent now.)

What this has made me wonder, is, How much of our illnesses are a result of poor nutrition?

I used to never be able to afford protein foods, and ate a lot of the cheaper things.

I wonder if I'd been able to afford the protein (amino acids) from the beginning, if I'd have recovered completely by now. (Tetanus is supposed to be an illness you recover from completely, if it doesn't kill you.) As it is, I've been sick for over two years.

Plus, I feel as if I may be losing weight... but I hate weighing myself, so it's only a feeling at this point.


Have you experienced any of these things??????

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All the best to you for the surgery. Sounds awfully extensive. I hope it goes well for you.

Just a short note about the raised lymph nodes below the ears and also in the back of the neck... where I live it's actually very common to see this in medical practice especially in very young children who play outside barefoot. Strange as it sounds.

I'm very careful about how much Ibuprofen I take these days. It's about the only OTC product that seems to really work for me, but some of the side-effects I've learned about in recent years have really made me evaluate taking it at all.

I nursed a young woman for a while who had tetanus. That was a very long time ago in early '70's. It was just tragic. I'm so glad you were able to survive.

Regarding the bone loss. There are other supplements you could be taking to help with that. I'm no expert on Vitamin therapies, apart from what I've taken myself or my children have taken, but I hope you're taking calcium with that magnesium in correct proportions and Vit D as well.

Rest up.

Hi:

Drug for Bone Disease Linked to 'Jaw Death'

Researchers Report Cases of Osteonecrosis of Jaw in Patients Who Had Teeth Pulled By Salynn Boyles
WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
on Monday, October 03, 2005

See article: http://www.webmd.com/content/article/113/110591.htm

Wishing you good results,
Kat

Hello ConsiderThis,

I'm so sorry for all your health problems but that's so great that you are having a little improvement.
I don't know about either of the conditions you talk about but wanted to wish you all the best on your upcoming surgery.
I hope you continue to improve!!
Linda

ConsiderThis,

May I suggest you look into adding COQ10 to your list of supplements.

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupple...zymeQ10cs.html
"Periodontal (gum) Disease

Gum disease is a widespread problem that is associated with swelling, bleeding, pain, and redness of the gums. Studies have shown that people with gum disease tend to have low levels of CoQ10 in their gums. In a few studies involving small numbers of subjects, CoQ10 supplements caused faster healing and tissue repair. Additional studies are needed to evaluate the effectiveness of CoQ10 when used together with traditional therapy for periodontal disease."

google CoQ10 and Periodontal and you will find more information.

Thank you so much for writing. I forgot that I changed my settings to one notification a week, so I was thinking no one had written anything.

Tonight the notice came.

You know, I don't think the lumps/bumps on my neck are related to lymph nodes, but I may be wrong.

They seem more like zits, sort of large zits that don't really come to a head.

If I put a cotton ball soaked in alcohol on them, they tend to reduce in size.

Also, if I take quite a lot of vitamin C they seem to go away. But any stress, and they are right back.

I want to immediately discount that walking barefoot could have any bad effects... because my Polish grandfather always said that walking barefoot in the grass after a rain would insure never getting ... darn it, wouldn't you know I'd forget... it was arthritis... or rhumatism... In any case, I've tried to walk barefoot in the grass whenever possible after rain.

But... despite my attachment to my grandfather's belief, I can understand that walking barefoot can be an invitation to problems. So I appreciate your observations. Thank you.

In relation to things that might attack us through the skin of our feet, I suspect that some people are more vulnerable than others. I think that because I've noticed that since I've been having B12 replacement and taking other supplements, that mosquitos seldom bite me. There were a few in the house for ... gosh ... months, and they didn't bite me. Years ago, I was always the first to be bitten. Once at a party in Nambe there were a lot of mosquitos and several of us were being eaten alive, so to speak, while others weren't bothered.

Now, in view of my experience with B12 and other supplements, I think that those people who weren't bothered were the most healthy and least deficient in any vitamin.

The bumps, I think, are related to the infection. It's almost as if some of the infection is coming out that way. I think that's why the vitamin C reduces them. (I also think that's why I've continued to have faint red lines on one of my thumbs, under the nail, and on my left ring finger. The lines were quite pronounced when I was very sick with tetanus; after the Metronidazol they went nearly away, but not entirely. I was wondering why that was. Now, I think it's because of the infection under my gum, around the dental implant.)

Wow, you took care of someone with tetanus? Intense. A young woman wrote to me recently who also had exposure to hydrogen sulfide prior to getting tetanus. She, luckily, advised me to do a liver cleanse. I was surprised at how cement-like my mind became after I began taking Milk Thistle; my surprise was dispite the fact she'd warned me that symptoms might come back as toxins were released.

Tetanus is quite nasty. As long as I remained still and took a lot of Ibuprofen, it wasn't so bad... but I kept thinking I'd be fine in no time... Now, it's over two years later and I can hardly do anything because my muscles still get tight and if I try to ignore them the ones around my abdomen begin moving ... it is a very disconcerting feeling.

I'm curious, have you tried serrapeptase at all, for pain? My friend wrote me about it and I was testing it out when I ate some Chia seeds and had a bad reaction that caused me not to be able to stay on the serrapeptase schedule. One isn't supposed to eat for three hours before taking it, or one hour after... which can get a bit complicated if you're taking it three times a day.

What I think has made a lot of difference for me, is taking the Whey protein powder with all the amino acids in it. I'm pretty sure that it's helped my nerves heal. I say this because I've noticed that I'm not getting the intense pain in my thoracic diaphragm the way I used to. Before if there was stress or I did a tad too much, I'd get this shockingly bad pain in my thoracic diaphragm.

Just today I was thinking how it's been at least a month since I had that pain, which is vastly unusual because there's been a lot of stress, so ordinarily I'd have been having it and taking lots of Ibuprofen.

Also, I used to feel so starving ... and lots of things that I might eat would not decrease the feeling at all. Now, after a month of taking the amino acid powder (despite the fact it's a bit bitter... though cinnamon seems to take that away... I have it in my coffee with a lot of creamer) I haven't been getting that feeling, which is a huge relief.

Well, thank you sooooo very much for writing.

Hi Kat,

You know what, I think the Periodontist mentioned that. I've been trying to remember. Thank you for making note of this. Thank you very much.

He mentioned, I think, Fozimax... I don't take it.

But he did also mention the Ibuprofen. Or else I mentioned how much I'd been taking and he said that it interferred with bone when there were implants. Something like that.

I've been taking a LOT of magnesium to try to strengthen my bone before the surgery.

The magnesium may also be contributing to the deeper sleep I've been experiencing, and maybe it's helping my nerves heal, too.

Years ago I took a Health Newsletter that emphasized how important magnesium is, and how taking calcium without taking adequate magnesium can cause problems... like bone spurs and headaches... I forget what else.

I'm nervous tonight because I have some serious legal stuff to do tomorrow, and so I can't sleep.

This is unusual. Except if I had to do legal stuff all the time, then it would be usual for me to be unable to sleep. (How irritating!)

It's really nice to get feedback like this. Thank you soooo much. I'm fading, though... so I'll have to read your article and reply to everyone else tomorrow.



Thank you again!

Thank you so much for this suggestion. I ordered it shortly after I read your suggestion, and I read a bit on it and felt convinced that you are right.

I don't think that my problem is periodontal disease exactly. Though I may be wrong.

It's from the old dental implants having a bumpy surface, according to the periodontist.

I think the dentist sent me to the periodontist because of how so much bone had disappeared. I didn't see the damage when I looked at the x rays, but the periodontist showed me where to look, and how to "see" what was on the x rays.

I'm going to have to have a bit of the bone out, and then a graft... or possibly this is in more than one spot.

Luckily the vitamin c keeps the major infection in check. Not totally, but pretty well indeed. And I think it's way better than being on erythromycin all the time. (I forget how to spell that) Years ago I was on it for months and months out of every year....

Sorry to digress.

I just wanted to tell you how grateful I am for your suggestion.