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Old 12-23-2017, 03:21 AM #41
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I'll keep to the techie/fishie stuff first.

The dying had to do with oxygen levels, not filtration.

A waterfall helps (a bit) with mixing the water with oxygen. Another (usually cheap) solution is to use an airpump/special airstones at several places around the pond.

In my case I don't need them - I have a waterfall too - because the difference will be summer temps. A decent pump would set you back about $150, you need some (very small diameter) tubing, and some air stones (cheap as dirt).

It's what fish need most: they breathe through their gills and have to depend on the oxygen levels in the water. The hotter the air/water, the less oxygen is saturated, so that's where the air stones/air pump would come in. A filtration system in itself does NOT add oxygen (in fact, some systems actually use us oxygen as the bacteria need them to convert the bad stuff (ammonia (aka pee ) into nitrite and then into nitrate.

Sorry to get technical, but it's important as that world is full of idiot merchants. Fish gasping? Add pump/airstones/keep waterfall running, problem finished in 15 minutes.

I've seen some of the pictures, but it's hard to be sure. There are quite a few "butterfly koi" -> the one with the "wavy" tails? Those are usually not considered "valuable" (in koi freak money terms). But you might still find people who want to pay a bit of money.

The pond is also overcrowded as hell. Ideally, you need at least 1m3 per grown up koi (so, a 1000 liters). But preferably more. The pond also needs to be DEEP before BIG. Shallower water heats up quicker -> quicker to lose oxygen when it gets hot too. Deeper water keeps cooler. (and also warmer in winter: did you know that in freezing weather water (even with ice on it) at -2meter will still be around 4įC?)

The pump... OK, there it's getting weird. Oase you say? Yeah, German company, German quality, best in class. My main 15000 liter/hour pump is in it's 18th season (I don't run it between November/March) without a glitch, and... without ever having to take it out of the water or cleaning it! Oh, did I mention it's an Oase?

A pump should just feed the water to a filtration system, leave the debris through (up to 2 cm), and in case of Oase run forever and ever. I have NEVER EVER had to go into the water to touch the pump (OK, I lie, once in 2012 to change it's place a little). Having to go into the water to clean a pump is madness. I hope whoever did that did not get paid. Grrrr.

I don't know the other system you now have, but I'm afraid DB has been duped, sorry.

The disease has nothing to do with the type of pump, but with water at a very specific temperature. Not an issue here, but I can imagine it is in Oz.

Anyway: in that pond, even with a 24 hour outage, goldfish (not bundles OK? just 10 or so?) will survive without any problems. ESPECIALLY if you keep a air stone or 2 running all day long (instead of a filtration system).

Look, I know you are overwhelmed with info, so I'll follow up with a summary post - but be assured all the above is 100% accurate.


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I know very litttle about Koi and goldfish, but I’m fairly certain we have a combination in the pond. We lost 5 of our big Koi 3 years ago when the humidity was very high and we had an electrical outage for over 8 hours, the pump wasn’t working and the fish were gasping for air at the top. It was terrible and I was devestated to see them struggling. The smaller ones survived as did the big goldfish. The pondshop up the road lost 3 of his Koi same night because of the same thing...

Can’t run the hozelock pumps and stop the filtration, these pumps db bought to replace the Oase pump we had which only needed doing once every 8 weeks to these 2 new pumps (which are crap) and need doing every week. The pond shop had sold to new owners and they were distributors of the new product and talked db into, changing to them (keep in mind he caught legionnaires we think from the Oase pump) hozelock bioforce, supposed to be simple easy turn of the handle, they have never ever been a simple easy turn, they were installed incorrectly, and we’ve had nothing but trouble since. Last Xmas when db was away they broke down and I had to get a chap in to fix them as the humidity was high, he said they’re still under warranty, so while db was away for the 3 weeks I was doing the weekly turn and clean it nearly broke my back, getting in and out of the pond to the actual pumps to lift them out and clean, then go to the filters and turn them to run the water clean. It’s just a massive job ever since he got these new pumps. I hate them with a passion and the chap that came to fix them said get rid of them while under warranty, they’re useless. He recommended we go back to the Oase or a different brand but of course db came home, never did anything about following up despite me giving him all the detail what needed to be done and so now out of warranty, stuck with a crappy system I can’t manage.

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Techie fish blah
Synopsis.


1) Get rid of the many fish -> like said before.
2) Remove all pumps (or just shut them off)
3 Except one pump that would directly feed the waterfall. That one would just be a pump in a housing, a big hose to the waterfall, done, zero maintenance.
4) Get 10 goldfish, small ones. Warning: they breed (really Wide-O? )
5) Get an air pump. A decent one. Get a Hi Blow Air 80 (ltrs per minute), a plastic distributor (so you can hang 10 small hoses on it, some transparent hose (10 or 20 meters) and a few air stones that connect to those hoses. (no, I have to financial interest in air pump brands LOL, but I dare to show this recommendation to every koi owner in the world) See picture for how it looks (contains wrong brand of pump, but shows you what you would end up with)

just focus on pump/distributor/hoses



Hoses attach to stones like these:



6) keep that running all year as long as temps are > 12įC
7) may need maintenance every 2 years, which means open up and install new standard part (the "vibrator" for want of a better word) of the air pump (which, for all clarity, is out of the water in a dry place).

And you are done.

Zero maintenance, happy goldfish. Cost? About $200 for air pump/hoses/stones. Never ever again wade into the pond.


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You were given so much advice about the pond. It's amazing those who are able to discuss with so much detail. I hope this has all been helpful.
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The information about your fish and pond reminds me of an old joke in which a young boy was asked to review a book about penguins. His review was one line; "This book told me more about penguins than I wanted to know.".
Ouch! Heheheh Now that's mean!

Sorry for all the info. It's just that it COULD be simple, and I hate people being sold ******** for a lot of their hard earned money. So I have to show my "credentials" in that area before my advice will be accepted.

The end result (I hope) is that Pam would still have a nice pond with a few happy goldfish and ZERO maintenance/stress. A guy like me could set it up in 3 hours and be done forever (flight to Oz not included. ) And with a bit of luck the sale from the fish would more than cover the cost of the air pump. And she would save on electricity bill...
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He is here and has done the pond, the blow vac of the yard, mowing of the front lawn and the trimming of the hedges.

He said again, I know you think she is forever but she isnít, she stayed at the boys 3 nights this week, she is there today doing the washing. Says his feeling go down for her but the minute someone says anything about her he is pushed towards her, I said thatís addiction and the sooner you realise that the safer you will be, but youíve mistaken me for someone who cares. I no longer care because Iíve learned more in this last week and I know Iím no longer the laughing stock of town, but you my friend, you are. By who? He says - people who know you and her, that would be who, his first words well I donít drink there anymore so it doesnít matter. No I replied, it doesnít but pride and integrity used to be something you valued and while you may say you donít care, you will sooner or later when everything you once valued is destroyed.

I told him I definitely did not destroy the letters, told him about her Instagram account and the photo of burning papers in the chimenea November 5th and that I didnít appreciate him trying to make me think I had gone and hidden them and now couldnít find them. I said so it was either you or her, he just said ďOkĒ. And while that hurts, I will just have to get over it, keeping them would only bring me down so either one of them has done me a huge favour in the long run.
In your own time
If I may
The things that mean most
Your sanity serenity spirit strength space all in your control
In your time
Not a time for anymore information about the girl
His feelings are not yours anymore
Cleaning house inside as you handle literally cleaning house on the outside a good thing
Only for you and your physical capabilities in the long run cost
My point you have decision you make for the better of you
It not so quick and easy sometimes
But you my dear are doing it
You be the only one to call the shots
He lost his privileges there
Since hearing of you situation
Three more stories all identical and two of the three are doing well under such circumstances
And to make the decision with children involved
Is awesome to see
But the one who needs that someone to define herself as a woman is killing herself and hurting herself in addition to pain she is already going through hoping for her choice to remove the pain of infidelity by substance is making things so much worse
I fear for her with all my being I just want to shake her
Stop using this as an excuse
She matters
And his hold on her is based on crap
Get it
Has no substance
Yet who the hell sm I to say what one needs
But I think you understand my point
We
We
Need to love who we are striving to be
And isnít that the best in all we do
So how can one not get that not in our time
We are doing all we can not hurting anyone around us by the choices we make
And for the others more power to you
Heavenly Father never let us down
We have it in us
As ill as we are
We have a brain that is working just great
So donít even try and go there
May it be a favor
It is still your business
You call the shots
Empowering
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Christmas Day been and gone, he visited gave me my gift, played with the pets, took the older dogs for a walk, and spoke again of wanting to try to move forward with counselling. Wants us to buy a new house and start afresh. I listened offering few words. He showed me houses on the internet, has already been looking. My Xmas card ďto my wifeĒ made reference to hope we can work things out, mine on the other hand, ďto my friendĒ, hope you find what you wanted in 2018. My gift to him, small but a reminder of his roots and all that he once valued.

I said to him, shave your beard and post a clean shaven photo on FB. You re-grew your beard because she wanted you to (she wanted him to look like her father but he doesnít get that) and the photo you have is of you with beard and the night of your award. His response was Iím not shaving my beard for anyone.

I replied if you want to take steps to repairing our marriage shaving your beard is a very small step, it can be re-grown within a month, our 25 year marriage cannot be repaired in that time. But itís a step you need to take. And I wonít entertain anything you say until I see evidence you are prepared to offer more than words. Forgive me when I think for your words are meaningless.

I reminded him again when he left, shave your beard and Iíll consider counselling. He has expressed his remorse but right now it means nothing. I still care for him and I do wonder if we will sort things out, but if he canít go through with a small ďtestĒ then I donít need to wonder at all.
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Pam,
It would appear as if you are testing and using the beard as an issue in order to take the first step toward a possible reconciliation. Has he mentioned giving her up before doing any counseling?

You are very vulnerable right now; please take your time.

Wish all the best for you..


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Pam, I think that Gerry has offered you wise thoughts.
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Only fools rush in, and I am not a fool. As things stand, I canít see a breakthrough. Iím lonely & scared but those 2 things combined are not going to push me back to a relationship.

Iím mindful though of something I have personally encountered over the years of pain Mgt and psychs and my sister who is a nurse voiced it on Xmas eve, her exact words were psychs just encourage you to leave, they will give you workbooks on how to leave, they donít give workbooks on how to work to save the relationship. And ironically itís true. My psych has given me 2 books to ďleaveĒ the relationship & I understand db psych has been telling him to leave me for the last 2 years.

So in all, perhaps we are neither destined to work it out.

I do believe in fťte and the inevitable. I can forgive a once in a life time indiscretion, I canít forgive ongoing lies and deceit.
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Well I’ve made a decision to do something I’ve never done before, or considered before. With my constant pain companion and these last months emotional trauma, not limited to just db, surgery and complications included, I’ve asked my mum to accompany me to a cosmetic practice for a consult on dermal fillers for the bag under my right eye in particular. It’s so much more noticeable than the one on the left and maybe ask about the big wrinkle indent in between my eyebrows.

I’ve never done anything electively and I’m not going for a surgical procedure where they knock me out, I just want to consider the possibility of something that will boost my confidence and dermal fillers seem to be an option. If I look better, I will feel better. I look tired and drained and I don’t feel professional in my job anymore. I feel the injured staff looking at me and thinking how can I get better with her help, she looks worse than I do...

And I’m going to go to the dentist and enquire about braces to bring my teeth back into alignment so the gap between my 2 front teeth stops getting bigger. I have a problem with my jaw, since my late teens and can’t open my mouth wide and with all my back and gynea problems I just hoped it would go away. My mum spent a fortune on her children’s teeth, me included and I had braces at the age of 12. Big silver shiny things, but now they are clear & barely noticeable. I have top health cover atm & now is probably the time to get my teeth done while I can still afford the top cover. I might be eligible for a Medicare rebate as well because of my jaw.

Whew, I’m glad I have written it down, that’s a step towards me looking after me. I won’t be spending $25k like db did, but I think it’s an important step for me to think about me. The cosmetic I may not be brave enough to do, but it doesn’t hurt to enquire.
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Pam,
YEA......
.....So glad Pam is thinking of Pam. I definitely agree; had a bit done myself some time back. It did help me feel better about myself. And;most important,it builds up your confidence. You go for it.....It starts with enquiring so that's the first step.....keep it going..

We're rooting for you...



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