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Old 07-24-2007, 08:04 PM #1
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Stagger mentions addiction in the last post, which raises a question for me. I have always wanted to know how many people truly experience withdrawal? I have, in my lifetime, quit crystal meth, paxil (numerous times), vicodin and morphine. I never had a bit of trouble doing it. My mood might have been a little flaky for the first few days, but that's about it. No physical problems, though.

How about any of you

My MS neuro back in OH, always told me it is not addiction if you use it as prescribed ... it is dependence. Necessary for sympom relief.

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My MS neuro back in OH, always told me it is not addiction if you use it as prescribed ... it is dependence. Necessary for sympom relief.

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Taking Narcotics/Opiates,worth the read even if a bit long
I copied this from a newsletter I receive called "Dominie's Newsletter" dated November 1, 2006 written for people with Fibromyalgia, CFS, &/or M.E. Well this article could pretain to anyone in severe pain. I not only have RSD, but also Fibromyalgia & Sjogren's Syndrome. I have read concern from members here & from other websites in the past about how we, who take powerful pain medications for severe pain &/or how some of us are scared to take powerful pain medications for fear of addiction or what other people will/would think of us, including our own Doctors. Well Dominie was sent this from another reader of her website/newsletter, who was not named or I would give that person complete credit for what she wrote, on this specific subject. The drug that she is talking about is Oxycontin. But this could pretain to any opiate/narcotic that anyone of us may take for RSD pain.

"People don't become addicted to oxycontin in three days. It just does not happen that fast. Talk to any medical specialist (doctor, nurse, pharmacist) and they will tell you. Yes, after two weeks if you stop cold turkey, you will have withdrawal symptoms. You should NEVER stop a medication like that cold turkey, but that does not mean the medicine is addictive. You should not stop heart medication cold turkey, you should not stop diabetes meds cold turkey, you should not stop steroids cold turkey because you will have side effects if you do. Some can be dangeorus. But you don't hear anyone say they are addicted to heart medicine! Withdrawal symptoms means your body has become accustomed to having the drug in your system, but that is NOT addiction.

You should take great care with ANY medicine and should know the facts, potential side effects, potential problems with other medicines, etc. We must take responsibility for what we put in our bodies. But we should not shy away from pain medicine if it will help us function, particularly if the pain is severe and nothing else helps. Side effects from stopping a medication can be avoided altogether or greatly reduced if you do so according to directions and oxycontin is one you do not stop cold turkey w/o side effects.

As for oxycontin being an abused street drug, yes it is one of many drugs used by junkies. NOT because it is highly addictive but because it is a time-released pill and when you crush it, you get the entire dose at one time. This gets a person very high. It is also extremely dangerous, particularly with the higher dose tablets. The tablets most people are given for pain are the lower dose ones. You only get the higher dose ones when you have something like cancer and only after you work your way up to the higher amounts. When taken properly for pain control, oxycontin is no more addictive than any other pain medicine (i.e. the % are very low). The only reason oxycontin is sought out by street junkies more than some others is the slow-release aspect giving them a bigger high. When taken as directed for pain control, a person doesn't even get a mild buzz from it once your body adapts to the side effects.

If taken properly, pain medicine can be extremely beneficial. Of course if there is a natural remedy that works I would take that before I would take a prescription drug. But sometimes you need prescription medicines. The main thing people need to do is research. Don't put something in your body until you have read, read, read and know all there is to know about it. Some people think just because a doctor writes a prescription, it must be safe and that is a very dangerous mindset. Just as it is dangerous to assume that just because something is sold over the counter, it must be safe. Even water, taken in excess, can kill. Too much water in a short period of time will throw off your electrolytes and cause your brain to swell and you can die.

It frustrates us when the medical community poo-pahs natural remedies, esp. when we know they work. But there are people in the natural healing arena that can be just as close-minded by only accepting natural remedies and refusing to even consider prescription meds. For me, I take natural remedies 99% of the time, but there is that 1% I take that isn't.

I don't think anyone should take opiates lightly, but I also don't think they should be scared out of taking them because there are people that use them on the street to get high. There are people who use pseudoephedrine to make crystal meth, but that doesn't mean people with a runny nose shouldn't take a decongestant. There are people who sniff glue to get high, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be allowed to use glue. It's all in using it for its intended purpose correctly.

It is hard enough to have a disease people make fun of and disbelieve. We shouldn't also have to deal with the stigma of being a "drug addict" when we take pain medicine. People who take insulin for diabetes aren't bad-mouthed. People who take heart medicine or anti-seizures meds aren't made to feel bad for it. Why do so many sit in judgment of those who must take pain medicine?

If you find yourself taking more medicine than prescribed, if you find yourself doing whatever it takes to get more and more drugs (stealing your doctor's prescription pad, buying them illegally over the internet, stealing them from people's medicine cabinets, seeing more than one doctor to get more meds), then you have a problem and should seek help. But if you are taking the medicine as prescribed to control severe pain you cannot control with anything else, then don't let others make you feel guilty for doing so. And don't let others scare you into avoiding them."

I hope this was/is helpful to atleast one person out there. If you would be interested in her website you can find it here:

http://www.fms-help.com/

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Nice post, IHH! Thanks for sharing that.

I totally agree with it. The word addiction is bandied about too readily, it's become a crutch. Not that there aren't true addicts... I met many of them in San Diego and Mexico.

I also agree with using a combination of herbal and pharmaceutical remedies. I know that using medical marijuana cuts back greatly on my need for narcotics, which can only be a good thing. I have no anxiety meds, but I use tea in the same way. Medical mj is great for anxiety, too. It rarely makes one paranoid, regardless of the rumors.

There is never going to be one regime that fits all patients, that's just impossible. I think that everyone in as much pain as us rsd'ers are in, should try anything they can to get some relief.

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Nice post, IHH! Thanks for sharing that.

I totally agree with it. The word addiction is bandied about too readily, it's become a crutch. Not that there aren't true addicts... I met many of them in San Diego and Mexico.

I also agree with using a combination of herbal and pharmaceutical remedies. I know that using medical marijuana cuts back greatly on my need for narcotics, which can only be a good thing. I have no anxiety meds, but I use tea in the same way. Medical mj is great for anxiety, too. It rarely makes one paranoid, regardless of the rumors.

There is never going to be one regime that fits all patients, that's just impossible. I think that everyone in as much pain as us rsd'ers are in, should try anything they can to get some relief.

Pot may not make one paranoid but it does trigger and can increase anxiety and panic attacks in people. It did this to me. It also depends on the kind of pot it is. Just like meds we all react differently to the different varieties of pot out there. Pot doesn't do diddly squat for me for any kind of pain relief. It does the opposite. It makes any pain I have more intense. So that's not a solution for me.
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I really don't know that much about meds but was eductaed more at the pain clinic program where many were overusers though I am not at all myself. During this 6 months of pain for a few months I was on vicadin and when I quit completly before I went about a month ago I had no craving or issues. I think it depends on the person. I did notice from the people who had issues with prescription drug and overuse they also used other drugs that were not prescription. I may be wrong and I'm sure there are some who just overuse the prescription but I did see a trend of both drugs overused. For a person who the prescription drugs seem to not work for other then the bad side effects I'm in a little different spot. In general I do think its a combo of things to work overall. So maybe the meds,supplements,therapy,pt so on.
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Jarrett, yes I agree with you on most things you said. I have personally known several people who should stay far away from mmj (medical marijuana).

I just know what it does for me... or would do if I was allowed to use it these days.

I have had rsd/crps since 1993. I had a surgery that went bad. The dr.s immediately saw that I had rsd and decided to cut their losses and declare me "ready to return to work".

I received NO monetary or physical aids in any way after that, except what I managed to procure on my own. I managed to get great dr.s to treat me and HOPE they get paid one day, I even got into the fed. trial study of Guanethidine.

But of course I couldn't get meds. I could barely feed my kids and dogs, and we lived in a decrepit tin-roofed house in the Az. desert so I could get the trial study done in Phoenix. But then one day a friend came to me and suggested mmj. I tried it, and it worked. Simple as that. And it cost me nothing, so I wouldn't have complained anyway, lol. The barter system is a wonderful thing.

I eventually won my work comp case, but all the money went to the dr.s. I also got on SSI and medicaid. I had to get aids first, but at least I am getting help for whatever time I have left.

But here's the rub: I cannot use mmj or I will lose all my benefits. Mind you, they prescribe Marinol, the pharmaceutical version, for me and my partner every month. It costs the taxpayers $2000 each month, and doesn't do as good a job as mmj. I feel like crappola about it, too. If they would let me grow my own mmj, I would cost the citizens of this country far less each month than I do now, and would have some self-respect, too!

Here's the list of meds they have had to prescribe just to get me through a day. ALL of them were unnecessary when I was using mmj. I take other meds too, but they can't be replaced by mmj.

Baclofen, vicodin, morphine, marinol, phenergan, ambien & relpax.

Also, before I started taking all these pharmies, there was never any indication that I had epilepsy... but I have it now! I didn't have migraines, which I now have at least twice a week.

If there was ANY way I could go back to using mmj to treat myself, I would in a minute. But as it stands, I will lose my money, my housing, my dr.s and my aids meds. Crazy, isn't it? I live in a "Green State", but the feds have everyone running scared. I can't get an rx from a reputable dr., they are too afraid of losing their licenses. They straight up tell me it would be much better for me than the pharmies, but their hands are tied. The other alternative is to pay $300 to a "dr." that doesn't care about his license because he is inches away from losing it anyway, due to his own issues. But then, if I ever got caught, while the feds and the state argue about who gets to have jurisdiction over me and my health care, I will be broke, hungry, homeless and in pain. Or, possibly, I could be in jail not getting my meds at all. Great choices, huh?

What it all boils down to is this: I should have the right to treat myself with the medicines that the dr.s think would help me most. MMJ is tops on that list. And all the taxpayers would benefit as well.... my partner and I are NOT the only aids patients on Marinol! There are at least 100 patients here locally at the aids clinic that use it, too. And most all of them are on medicaid too. At $2000 a month per person, that is totally insane! That's just in one city of 500,000 folks. No way should the taxpayers have to foot the bill for all of us.

So for anyone who doesn't want or need mmj, or doesn't know anyone who needs it, there is STILL a reason you should work to help make it legal everywhere: your own pockets.

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