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Old 03-12-2012, 04:43 PM #11
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There are many drugs that cause physical dependency.

This is not the same thing as "addictive". Addictive means craving, and a need for more.

Many non controlled drugs cause a withdrawal syndrome, the SSRI and SNRI drugs for depression are a case in point. Even some blood pressure drugs require a taper.... beta blockers for example. Also seizure drugs require a taper.

The body changes when drugs that sit on neurotransmitter receptors are used. It has only been about a decade that we have had drugs like this. So the medical community is not able to deal with it for every patient.

This doesn't help YOU of course, but learning about tapers and how your drugs work, can help take the fear factor out of your situation and help you taper off more comfortably.
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There are many drugs that cause physical dependency.

This is not the same thing as "addictive". Addictive means craving, and a need for more.

Many non controlled drugs cause a withdrawal syndrome, the SSRI and SNRI drugs for depression are a case in point. Even some blood pressure drugs require a taper.... beta blockers for example. Also seizure drugs require a taper.

The body changes when drugs that sit on neurotransmitter receptors are used. It has only been about a decade that we have had drugs like this. So the medical community is not able to deal with it for every patient.

This doesn't help YOU of course, but learning about tapers and how your dr
ugs work, can help take the fear factor out of your situation and help you taper off more comfortably.
that makes a lot of sense when you put it like that. Tramadol is not only a synthetic opioid but has ssri and norepinephrine Effects as well and I read they are now doing studies to ger it classified as an antidepressant as well. I did try to taper but I know and knew at the time I was tapering far too fast, but with so many failed attempts to do so with slower tapers I dug in my heels and went for it. An angel came to me yesterday, which I think will be the worst day of it as I hope I am now over the hump. without this angel I would have gone back to the hidden source of Tramadol I left for myself cause I was in a Terrible state. My angel's name is Nan and lives just a few doors down from me and quite by coincident she came by and I could no longer put on my mask that says I'm ok and literally crumbled....she used to be a nurse years ago and she spent the day taking care of me until my teenage daughters got home from school and took over. I didn't want them to see me that way.....but they learned an important life lesson and the love that flowed between us gave me so much energy! I've been heartbroken since about the many addicts, street junkies....people who have no one --visible people we pretend not to see--and sometimes they have no roof over their heads....how many of them ended up that way for innocent reasons much like my own, but because they are alone in the world they are disdained with a pitiful glance and if they are lucky a quarter tossed in a hat. sure some of them are evil to the core and would slit your throat for your ring to sell for a fix, but some of our neighbors driving porches and smoking Cuban cigars would swindle a widow out of her last dime....whose more evil? My head is getting clearer now and I can see that all things happen for a reason and if I had to go through what I have thought of as 10 wasted Tramadol years just to suffer the clarity that WD is bring me, then perhaps it is because I needed to learn some lessons....now what am I oing to do with what I have learned!? MY head still swirls a bit when I turn my head and my body is weak and I cry easily....but darn it is starting to feel like a wellspring of tears that have been bottled up for a decade, suppressed for whatever cause...the drugs maybe, I don't know, are now breaking free, and it is what they call a "good" cry....my feet and hands hurt but I don't notice it so much because the blue sky, white clouds, mossy oak trees and twittering songbirds are so much more real than when I was on Tramadol, just worried about how much good time I had until the next dose. So thanks everyone....I am not there yet but today is the first day that I actually believe I am going to make it! I would like to add, a few of you indicated that tramadol should not be such a difficult drug to get off of.....well it is for me and if you check some other tramadol withdrawal forums you will read real life stories from people who have detoxed in the past from much stonger drugs, even heroin, and many of them say Tramadol was the very worst of them all. guess it depends on how long and how many one has been taking perhaps and the innate addictive drive some people have, but please do not ever think of it as a mild drug that can be gotten off of with relative ease.....it is pure HELL. If you have a chance warn everyone to take great care in using it and not to listen to doctors about it unless what they have been saying changes, because they do not know how addictive it is and since it is not controlled they do not have to log it so they give it out like candy. what they know about the drug is from the pharmaceutical company selling it to them. as more and more patients like myself educate our doctors about how hard it was to get off of and the symptoms we lived through then maybe the drug companies will have to relabel and schedule it. I will say that Tramadol is not all evil....it saved my life the first ten months I took it when I was in such a raging MS episode, but once that subsided I should have been tapered off the tramadol, but my doctors and I both thought the pain was still there and would be for life, but it was a trick of my brain where the MS had damaged permanently places with scar formation, so every time I stretched out the timing of the dose the pain worsed so of course I thought I had to have it, but it was the body's dependence on the drug that was needed so it tricked me to sensing pain but it was really the pain of withdrawal to make me refill the tank....that is the evil of tramadol."it learns how to mimic the pain you used to have but no longer do, to make you take more. I feel slight pain in my hands and feet today but nothing that a little massage and some pep talk won't fix! I know I am blessed! Thanks again and have a blessed day!
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when getting off a medication always have a dr help you . DO NOT DO IT ON YOUR OWN..
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How are you doing now? I too withdrew from a med on my own and had about five days and nights of hell ... Warm baths, force yourself to eat as I know you have no appetite .. Ride tHose panic attacks because by golly they come at you like a tsunami ... I was on OxyContin and oxynorm. I kept in touch with my doctor by phone .. Though she didn't k ow I'd suddenly stopped them and went cold turkey. It takes a very strong person to do that because believe me, I went to hell and back.
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How are you doing now? I too withdrew from a med on my own and had about five days and nights of hell ... Warm baths, force yourself to eat as I know you have no appetite .. Ride tHose panic attacks because by golly they come at you like a tsunami ... I was on OxyContin and oxynorm. I kept in touch with my doctor by phone .. Though she didn't k ow I'd suddenly stopped them and went cold turkey. It takes a very strong person to do that because believe me, I went to hell and back.


Oxycontin is really an opiad and should have been tapered for sure. With doctors help, script written to lower amount gradually. Really risky going cold turkey. Be careful should you have a need in the future.

Hope you are doing better.. You really have so much to deal with at this time.

Take care dear Saffy/...

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Long story short, ten years ago, after having always been a healthy person and never taking anything stronger than Tylenol (even after childbirth for 4 children) I was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. My disease course has always been a bit different than most people with MS and 10 years later, thankfully I am not in a wheelchair, nor do I need a walker to walk and my vision, bowel and bladder function is fine, however, I have suffered from intractible constant pain in my hands and feet that radiates to my entire body within a few short hours IF I miss a dose of my tramadol which I take every 4 hours, 100mg. I also have debilitating fatique and frequent migraines ( those I have had for most of my adult life however). After years of my MS remaining stable, I decided I would like to try to get off the tramadol but each time I tried to stretch out the dose to about 8 hours,the pain would worsen and travel through my whole body and leave me bedridden, along with an odd sensation inside my skull. finally, through research I realized it could be the tramadol causing the pain and not my MS and likely the tramadol is also making me so tired as well. I have tried to get off it before by doing the taper but it never works because as a mom of 5 there are always things that come up that I have to be functional for so I end up back where I started. this time I decided to take a week and go off really fast. I have weaned fast from 100mg(2pills) 5 times a day over the week until yesterday I took my last 50 mg tab at 8am. I have had terrible symptoms of WD since I got to 50mg 2xday and was hoping the worst was behind me. Now is almost 30 hours since last pill....how long will these awful symptoms last if I don't take anymore at all. Am I crazy to do it so fast? Now that it has been so long since a pill it will feel like a major step back if I give in and take one. I am afraid I will just go back on them once I feel the physical relief. I do have pain in my feet now but I won't know if that is MS pain or a lie of tramadol until I am off and I need my energy back that I am hoping getting rid of Tramadol will give me. symptoms of WD are restless agitation, restless legs at night that make me thrash and have to take some Xanax to calm and sleep, terrible runny nose and sneezing, diarrhea, hot sweats and then chilled, emotional lability and the worse is an awful sensation inside my skull as if my brain is moving around in small jerky waves...especially if I turn my head and eyes at the same time...it causes me to take a big inhalation when it happens and sends a jolt through my core. it happens to a greater degree when I am up,walking, unless I try not to move my head or eyes or make any sudden turns and barely open my eyes basically just looking at the floor...very debilitating and no way I can drive with that....I will say so far it is a bit better, but the Xanax I took last has not warn off and I do still feel it slightly even after 30 hours. How long will the withdrawal take since it has already been 30 hours since last pill? Please tell me I am almost over the worst of it! Thanks to all who took time to read this and I pray for better days for all of you, starting NOW! Blessings!
...I'm taking tramadol and if I miss a dose I get that super weird feeling in my head too. Also, I know this sounds hokey, but I had restless legs syndrome and it drove me nuts! My grandmother read somewhere to stick a bar of soap under you sheets at the foot of the bed...I did...no mo RLS. I will try to find the article a read that supports this home remedy. Meanwhile..Good Luck and hang in there!
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Good lord ... I do know what you are going through after withdrawing cold turkey, from Oxycodone last year. I too had to sleep in the spare room.

Try warm baths ... At least five a day ... To relax you.

I had panic attacks after the withdrawal that were frankly, terrifying.

Keep on being strong. X
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I do know exactly what you are experiencing with WD. I started to reduce morhpnine on this thursday past with my doctor. It is still miserable. I am not sure you going cold turkey, so quickly is the best way. I think under the guidance of the doctor would be better for you in my opinion. I am going down just by 15mg. I feel the cold, hot, restless, all of it. I plan to take it slow as I can go as it is hard enough as it is. I do wish you all the best in what ever your choices are. I had heard, that RSD does not like narcotics, and I tried a good lotion for it. Hence my own desire to reduce. Call your doctor if you really are suffering. ginnie
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Tramadol has TWO actions in the body.

One is to sit on mu receptors and block pain signals (like opiates), but this is a smaller effect than opiates like morphine.

Secondly, it also affects serotonin receptors, and in some people this action is what causes alot of withdrawal problems.


Are you taking an antidepressant also?
If not, you could try using L-tryptophan, as this sometimes lessens serotonin withdrawal syndrome.

You should discuss this carefully with your doctor, as he/she may prefer you use long acting Prozac to help with withdrawal (and tapering that carefully over time).
But it has been my experience that many doctors do not understand tramadol and hence don't know how to help you.
Tramadol causes seizures also. I take Paxil and have had 4 seizures in the past 6 years. I went off of it and didn't really have any withdrawal symptoms except for irritability for a few days but everyone is different. I have to take opiates for my pain as the seizures are no longer an option for me
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Mrs. D is correct, this medication has side effects when withdrawing, much like morphine or other opiates. when I was getting off the medication I was prescribed Klonopin, and this really helped me for those first two weeks. After that I didn't need the help anymore. I do wish you all the best. ginnie
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