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Old 01-15-2008, 12:33 AM #11
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Well, the clinic I used to go to won't give me any inhalers unless I go through all these unrelated tests which I won't do. It's not necessary. I already HAD asthma testing. Do people Have asthma then they don't?? I guess I'll have to find another doctor. I Hate doctors!!!! It was torture trying to get refills AND they were always giving me such a bad time, use this and use that TOO. And I ended up using all this OTHER stuff along WITH the albuterol. I don't want to use all those chemicals. At least Epinephrine is a natural substance.

AND why doesn't Wyeth just use an environmentally safer aerosol propellant?? What's the Problem??
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Note a little history..

the new propellant came out about 10 yrs ago as Proventil HFA. (albuterol).
It took several years for the FDA to decide to require this in RX inhalers. That took several years to implement as well.

The inhaler delivery device is quite complex. People typically don't even think about it. But it has to be designed to give exact doses each time. So it is a very sophisticated little device. For a VERY long time there was the only one maker of generic albuterol because of this. (Warrick owned by Schering who makes Proventil). Then a company in Ireland designed one, and Zenith/Goldline bought it. This is the reason why there are few generics for inhalers. I have seen articles claiming that the inhaler device costs far more than the drug inside it.

So designing a new form is going to cost the drug company alot of money and time (lost sales). I personally don't think Wyeth will reformulate it. The paper I copied above shows that the medical community does not want this inhaler on the market. Wyeth, is suffering financial losses now, with the disasterous decline in Premarin sales, so it may not spring for the new inhaler costs.
This is the only reply to my question at Wyeth board:
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Default Re: Where is Primatene Mist?
I think that the inhaler was to be pulled perhaps because the propellant contained CFCs and the company did not want to go through the process of coming out with a newer version. Tablets may still be available.

Again, not 100% sure. Ask the pharmacist.
There were a 118 views total. no other responses. I think that reflects a negative feeling.

Concerning other treatments...
I find for myself that Singulair has completely allowed me to be free of inhalers. I only keep one albuterol for
emergencies and that goes out of date, before it is empty. Singulair works very well for me. I also use
Omega-3s and they help reduce bronchoconstriction for me.
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Exclamation Here is a ABC article:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?i...C-RSSFeeds0312

Drugstore.com does not have it. I checked.

One response to me was that the poster saw it in a grocery store.
So perhaps you can find some left in those locations.
But do check the expiration date, if the product does not move it may be old.
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I have coupons for primatene that exipe 1/31/2009. Do you THINK they knew about this long ago??

I just spoke to a friend who found me 5 refills and she said they had more in the store.

This whole thing is making me nervous. I KNOW the Medical community wants Anything off the market that infringes on their little plans.
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the new propellant came out about 10 yrs ago as Proventil HFA. (albuterol).
It took several years for the FDA to decide to require this in RX inhalers. That took several years to implement as well.

The inhaler delivery device is quite complex. People typically don't even think about it. But it has to be designed to give exact doses each time. So it is a very sophisticated little device. For a VERY long time there was the only one maker of generic albuterol because of this. (Warrick owned by Schering who makes Proventil). Then a company in Ireland designed one, and Zenith/Goldline bought it. This is the reason why there are few generics for inhalers. I have seen articles claiming that the inhaler device costs far more than the drug inside it.

So designing a new form is going to cost the drug company alot of money and time (lost sales). I personally don't think Wyeth will reformulate it. The paper I copied above shows that the medical community does not want this inhaler on the market. Wyeth, is suffering financial losses now, with the disasterous decline in Premarin sales, so it may not spring for the new inhaler costs.
This is the only reply to my question at Wyeth board:

There were a 118 views total. no other responses. I think that reflects a negative feeling.

Concerning other treatments...
I find for myself that Singulair has completely allowed me to be free of inhalers. I only keep one albuterol for
emergencies and that goes out of date, before it is empty. Singulair works very well for me. I also use
Omega-3s and they help reduce bronchoconstriction for me.
And that is what exactly??

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Omega-3s and they help reduce bronchoconstriction for me
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Lightbulb Omega-3s

are a form of essential fat that our bodies use to repair cells.

Omega-3s are responsible for the skin on our bodies, our mucous membranes, our nerves, heart, many things.

One thing they do is minimize bronchoconstriction. When Omega-3s are low in the diet (and the US diet is very low).. then the lungs do not work well. (other things also do not work well).

You can read more here: (note ~~ flax oil is as good as perilla oil and easier to find and use)
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/omega-3-000316.htm
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Clinical research suggests that omega-3 fatty acid supplements (in the form of perilla seed oil, which is rich in ALA) may decrease inflammation and improve lung function in adults with asthma. Omega-6 fatty acids have the opposite effect: they tend to increase inflammation and worsen respiratory function. In a small, well-designed clinical study of 29 children with asthma, those who took fish oil supplements rich in EPA and DHA for 10 months had improvement in their symptoms compared to children who took a placebo pill.
a little more technical:
http://www.asthmaworld.org/asthma-OMEGA3.htm

While I understand your concern about the possible loss of Primatene... I have to say that asthma is a very sneaky and dangerous disease, and can kill you unexpectedly. And while I do not like the "medical" community futzing with our freedoms, when it comes to asthma you must have some understanding about the consequences it can deliver.

I really don't like ANY inhalers...RX included. I find Singulair the best thing that ever happened to my asthma (which I don't even think about much anymore).
I have a chemically reactive asthma..which is triggered by chemical fumes (ammonia floor strippers), smoke, exhaust etc. I can be fine one minute and desperate the next depending on the environment. I used to get pneumonia and bronchitis often, but after fixing my Omega status and using the new Singulair, that is all history. I did the Omegas more than 10 yrs ago, then Singulair is new and I think they work together.
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the new propellant came out about 10 yrs ago as Proventil HFA. (albuterol).
It took several years for the FDA to decide to require this in RX inhalers. That took several years to implement as well.

The inhaler delivery device is quite complex. People typically don't even think about it. But it has to be designed to give exact doses each time. So it is a very sophisticated little device. For a VERY long time there was the only one maker of generic albuterol because of this. (Warrick owned by Schering who makes Proventil). Then a company in Ireland designed one, and Zenith/Goldline bought it. This is the reason why there are few generics for inhalers. I have seen articles claiming that the inhaler device costs far more than the drug inside it.

So designing a new form is going to cost the drug company alot of money and time (lost sales). I personally don't think Wyeth will reformulate it. The paper I copied above shows that the medical community does not want this inhaler on the market. Wyeth, is suffering financial losses now, with the disasterous decline in Premarin sales, so it may not spring for the new inhaler costs.
This is the only reply to my question at Wyeth board:

There were a 118 views total. no other responses. I think that reflects a negative feeling.

Concerning other treatments...
I find for myself that Singulair has completely allowed me to be free of inhalers. I only keep one albuterol for
emergencies and that goes out of date, before it is empty. Singulair works very well for me. I also use
Omega-3s and they help reduce bronchoconstriction for me.
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are a form of essential fat that our bodies use to repair cells.

Omega-3s are responsible for the skin on our bodies, our mucous membranes, our nerves, heart, many things.

One thing they do is minimize bronchoconstriction. When Omega-3s are low in the diet (and the US diet is very low).. then the lungs do not work well. (other things also do not work well).

You can read more here: (note ~~ flax oil is as good as perilla oil and easier to find and use)
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/omega-3-000316.htm


a little more technical:
http://www.asthmaworld.org/asthma-OMEGA3.htm

While I understand your concern about the possible loss of Primatene... I have to say that asthma is a very sneaky and dangerous disease, and can kill you unexpectedly. And while I do not like the "medical" community futzing with our freedoms, when it comes to asthma you must have some understanding about the consequences it can deliver.

I really don't like ANY inhalers...RX included. I find Singulair the best thing that ever happened to my asthma (which I don't even think about much anymore).
I have a chemically reactive asthma..which is triggered by chemical fumes (ammonia floor strippers), smoke, exhaust etc. I can be fine one minute and desperate the next depending on the environment. I used to get pneumonia and bronchitis often, but after fixing my Omega status and using the new Singulair, that is all history. I did the Omegas more than 10 yrs ago, then Singulair is new and I think they work together.
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And while I do not like the "medical" community futzing with our freedoms, when it comes to asthma you must have some understanding about the consequences it can deliver.
Well, they don't seem to care if I go without. trying to BlackMail me into taking all these unrelated and unessessary tests just so they can bleed my insurance company. I refuse to cooperate. If it kills me well, it probably will kill alot of other people too who are victims of all this unnecessary testing. Last year I was SO sick, I really thought I wasn't going to make it, Seriously. I had to go to ER 4 times for braething treatment. They gave me ONE inhaler for 5 months of debilitating sickness. THEN after that I went to my clinic and they Still wouldn't give me refills. They don't care about the patients, only the Money. I have to find some Natural remedies so I don't have to rely on drug stores. I will look into this Omega 3-s. Iwill do a Search now. Thanks mrsd.

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i looked for you wii. the pharmacist at cvs said the last they had got pulled in december because it expired.



a bonus on the omega's...they help your complextion.
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Hahahaha, Fish Oil. I grew up on all kinds of fish but left the coast in 88. Funny, that's when all these other problems started. The Asthma, skin problems. Maybe my body IS missing all the fishies.

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