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Kitty 02-21-2012 03:44 PM

Hoping everything went well for you today, Dej. Let us know how things went. :)

Dejibo 02-21-2012 05:28 PM

My vision still sits at 20/400 and the eye surgeon here got NONE of the reports from the big girl hospital that I was in for my huge ON attack. She was quite upset. I told her they tried hard to convert me to their practice, and I DEMANDED to be returned to her service. She wants to take the next couple of days to hunt down the files, go over the tests, find out the impressions, and opinions of her colleges and then get back to me.


She was thrilled that I have already been working with the blind society, and was more than happy to fill out my paperwork for the doggie. She will also fax over the info needed to the blind society to release whatever they will, as she has certified me as "legally blind" she wanted to warn me that she is a mandatory reporter to the DMV and I will have my license removed. (like I could find the car) and that after she has a chance to pour over the results she will call me and we can discuss where we go from here.

As she entered the room I was in a downpour of tears with DH hanging onto me telling me it was going to be ok. I had simply reached my limit of fatigue, frustration, and tolerance. She was so sweet to sit and hear us both out about what we had been thru.

She was as gentle as possible when viewing the tip end of the optic nerve, and knew what she was doing was painful. I was pleased that she was aware of that. I knew that she had to hurt me to look, but just the fact that she appreciated that helped.

So...I will tell you what I know when she calls back. For now the optic nerve appears to be healing, but she told me that "some get their vision back, some dont. at 8 weeks post attack, its unlikely, but stranger things have happened." so...thar ya have it.

mrsD 02-21-2012 05:45 PM

If you are showing healing...I would definitely investigate
remyelination supplements!

People do vary in how they process various nutrients. This is a genetic thing.

There are several MS sites with remyelination suggestions and I would definitely do some. They are MORE likely to help than that electrical device you are considering and they are MUCH less expensive!

FinLady 02-21-2012 06:50 PM

Just wanted to send you some big :hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug: after the rough day. Hoping for the best.

ewizabeth 02-21-2012 09:13 PM

Take the supplements and eat your veggies! If they are healing they might get much better. Eight weeks is only a general estimate anyway isn't it? :hug: :hug: :hug:

SallyC 02-21-2012 09:35 PM

What are remyelination supplements??

Dejibo 02-22-2012 08:21 AM

I already take suppliments and eat well.

I take B12, D3, E, A, B complex. I have a well balanced diet, and I am doing the very best I know how to do. I will be seeing the naturpathic person very soon who will add even more to my plate. Just the fact that I went from shrunken and shriveled to much better looking says something in my favor.

I just want someone to answer me "will I get my sight back?" and so far, no one can say yes, or no. Everyone says maybe. UGH!

mrsD 02-22-2012 09:38 AM

The B12 should not be cyano version. Cyano has shown to
actually cause a form of optic nerve damage, called Leber's.
These patients cannot metabolize the cyanide portion.

The one to get is methylcobalamin, the active form and you need at least 1000mcg daily to absorb 1% of that. 5000mcg would be better. This is available easily at Amazon, iherb.com, Puritan's.
I use the Puritan's now myself after testing it out by having blood work after 3mon on it...and it is very efficient. When B12 is taken orally it should be on an empty stomach as it is not well absorbed when food is present.

It costs pennies a day... between .20 and .30 cents depending on which sale you take advantage of.

There are studies at PubMed showing poor B12 levels in the spinal fluid of MS patients. Since B12 moves into the CSF
by a concentration gradient, having higher blood levels insure better movement into nerves and the brain.
Quote:

J Neuroimmunol. 1992 Oct;40(2-3):225-30.
Multiple sclerosis and vitamin B12 metabolism.
Reynolds EH.
Source

Maudsley Hospital, London, UK.
Abstract

Multiple sclerosis (MS) is occasionally associated with vitamin B12 deficiency. Recent studies have shown an increased risk of macrocytosis, low serum and/or CSF vitamin B12 levels, raised plasma homocysteine and raised unsaturated R-binder capacity in MS. The aetiology of the vitamin B12 deficiency in MS is often uncertain and a disorder of vitamin B12 binding or transport is suspected. The nature of the association of vitamin B12 deficiency and MS is unclear but is likely to be more than coincidental. There is a remarkable similarity in the epidemiology of MS and pernicious anaemia. Vitamin B12 deficiency should always be looked for in MS. The deficiency may aggravate MS or impair recovery. There is evidence that vitamin B12 is important for myelin synthesis and integrity but further basic studies are required.

PMID:
1430153
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Quote:

J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry. 1990 Nov;53(11):951-4.
Vitamin B12 and folate concentrations in serum and cerebrospinal fluid of neurological patients with special reference to multiple sclerosis and dementia.
Nijst TQ, Wevers RA, Schoonderwaldt HC, Hommes OR, de Haan AF.
Source

Institute of Neurology, University Hospital, Nijmegen, The Netherlands.
Abstract

Vitamin B12 and folate concentrations were measured in serum and cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) in 293 neurological patients. Serum and CSF vitamin B12 concentrations showed a positive correlation. In individual patients CSF B12 concentrations varied considerably for a given serum concentration. The median serum vitamin B12 concentration of the Alzheimer's type dementia group was significantly lower compared with that of a control group. Lower median CSF vitamin B12 concentrations were found in groups of patients with multiple sclerosis and Alzheimer's type dementia. Five patients with heterogeneous clinical pictures had unexplained low serum and CSF B12 concentrations without macrocytosis. Two patients had very high serum B12 and low-normal CSF concentrations which could be explained by a blood-brain barrier transport defect. Serum and CSF folate concentrations did not show significant differences between the various groups.

PMID:
2283525
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
PMCID:
PMC488275

Free PMC Article
These are only two articles of several on PubMed.

Remyelination (which is repair of damaged myelin of nerves),
is accomplished with Omega-3 fats, B12, folate, B6.
B12, folate and B6 now are available as ACTIVE forms inexpensively at many on-line sources. And are preferred.
Active forms in red:
B12 (methylcobalamin)
B6 (P5P aka pyridoxal 5 phosphate)
Folate (methylfolate aka MetaFolin)

All three are over the counter.

There are sites now on the net specifically for MS patients, and the list of supplements on them is much longer. These four
are the CORE nutrients that help myelin regeneration.

Here is one article on cyanide metabolism and optic neuritis:
Quote:

Fundam Appl Toxicol. 1983 Sep-Oct;3(5):397-9.
Cyanide in human disease: a review of clinical and laboratory evidence.
Wilson J.
Abstract

Experimental cyanide exposure in animals causes demyelination and circumstantial clinical and laboratory evidence suggest that there are human parallels. In Leber's hereditary optic atrophy there appears to be a defect in the conversion of cyanide to thiocyanate because of deficient rhodanese activity. For transmitters of the disease smoking carries the risk of blindness and in the most severely affected patients, there is diffuse neurological disease. It is possible that other hereditary optic atrophies (dominant and recessive) may also reflect inborn errors of cyanide metabolism. In the retrobulbar neuritis and optic atrophy of vitamin B12 deficiency there may be a conditional abnormality of cyanide metabolism in smokers, and likewise in so-called tobacco-alcohol amblyopia in which there are more complex nutritional deficiencies. Epidemiological evidence (differing sex ratios, excess of smokers) indicates that defective cyanide metabolism may contribute to the development of sub-acute combined degeneration of the cord in vitamin B12 deficiency. In protein-malnourished populations consuming large amounts of cyanide or cyanogens, viz. in tropical Africa where the staple diet includes cassava containing large amounts of linamarin, similar maladies occur as acquired disorders. There may be a similar explanation for lathyrism. The known pathways of human cyanide metabolism are reviewed and evidence supporting the clinical data is presented.

PMID:
6357925
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
I am including this information today for all MS readers here.
Some of you including Dej may already know this.

tkrik 02-22-2012 12:25 PM

Dej - So glad you had a compassionate dr. That can make all the difference in the world. I'm also glad there is some improvement. Some is better than none. I hope things continue to improve for you.:hug: Keeping you in my prayers.


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