Biofeedback systems vary but the application of electromagnetics to assess and optimize health is considered to be state of the art technology. Using electromagnetics integrated with a computer data base to do that is not all that new. It is very similar to what goes on with MRIs. For instance, in the case of MRIs, a particular computerized data base interprets electromagnetic resonance with respect to densities and produces an image that can be seen with the human eye according to the data received.

With respect to identifying Copaxone, it like everything else listed in the data base of the system has first been assessed using an electromagnetic oscillator. It is through that process that the electromagnetic frequency, cadence and band width of each data item is determined. That value of the item is then imparted onto a neutral carbon granule which is in turn placed into a vial along with hundreds of others that are similar to it. A small wire is then attached to the vial which ultimately leads to the computerized data base. The data base in the computer is loaded with written descriptions of each item. The one for Copaxone might say something like: "Copaxone; pharmaceutical used in the treatment of MS".
That is how a biofeedback practitioner would know that someone had taken Copaxone and that they had MS. It is also likely that the data item "MS" probably also showed up in the matrix (the complete listing of all data items); as that too has a known frequency and is in the data base.

Biofeedback practitioners use their own knowledge base to interpret and utilize the data and the biofeedback system. That knowledge base is variable and can be next to nothing all the way up to someone who specializes in a particular field of medicine such as the internist in the video or a veterinarian.
For instance, my own knowledge base and board registrations are in physical therapy and nutrition, so those are primarily what make up my scope of practice. The law says that I must remain within that scope, so while I might provide information or suggestions to patients with respect to other things that show up in the database, these would only be suggestions and not a formal recommendation. I suspect that it is so with the practitioner that has been mentioned. The supplements, therapy program etc are probably only suggestions, especially given the description of the practitioner's signage and these stated limitations are likely also found within the practitioner's 'Informed consent form" which is probably signed by all patients.

This is where things get a little sticky with respect to everything from required qualifications, training, licenses, and liability insurance. Biofeedback is a loosely self-regulated field and these things are in place to prevent someone from practicing in a regulated medical field without the board registration to do so. The AMA, CMA, FDA and Health Canada have all weighed in on biofeedback and unfortunately, none officially endorse it; and in some cases have caused its use to be outlawed all together. I think that is due to the objections coming from AMA and CMA members who feel threatened by it and most natural therapies.
What a shame.

With love, Erika

more:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...ts/xrroid.html

Also "cold reading" may be used here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading

This link has a big surprise in it:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/William_Nelson

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...racle18m2.html

and finally a rather painful view:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKgj9iK_xwo

she IS board certified. She does hold a license (valid and current) from the state. She is well known and well loved. I have had many folks singing her praises about what a horrible state of health they were in before seeing her, and how fantastic they feel now. There is a swimmer in the para lympics from NH, her name is Victoria. She was having seizure after seizure all day every day before she worked with her.

Are there quacks out there? YES! I have met several. Do I feel she is a quack. NO! She was spot on with her answers. She was willing to not just accept the answer but go further. She IS working hand in hand WITH my MD. They are keeping contact with each other, and as she has agreed to do XYZ for him, he has agreed to do blood work, check ups and keep an eye on what she is doing. I really trust my MD and he said she has a really good rep, and he wont allow anything that is going to be more harmful than helpful. All she has suggested so far is helping bring me around the corner so I am strong enough to tolerate her treatment.

I am NOT saying run right out and see a woman like her. I am not saying dont go. I promised to share my experience with you, and that is all I am doing.

I am going to give her the first 30 days as promised. lets see if her promises hold true. Tomorrow I get baseline blood work, and then start eating pills for breakfast.

What is the license in? Certainly she can be licensed as a nurse or whatever else, but as far as I can learn so far there is no license for use of this machine. The new version, BTW is called the Indigo.

Good luck.

Many thanks for posting that MrsD.

The first link provides some of the information that I've been trying to figure out how to get across. Apparently biofeedback has not cured my cog-fog; although it does seem to help somewhat.

Prof. Nelson is indeed quite a controversial character in the world of biofeedback but we must also remember that it is often found that we tend to assign the activities of an individual to a whole group. We only need to look to the example where some perceive all Catholic priests as being potential sexual abusers, or where all Islamists are perceived as terrorists. In truth the majorities do not support or participate in the abhorrent activities of the few. I feel that is the case in the instance of Prof. Nelson, his claims, as well as his eccentricities. He impressed me as being a very intelligent individual when I met him at a conference a few years ago, but oddities with respect to his behaviour, demeanor and opinions did not go unnoticed.

One of the things that hasn't been mentioned with respect to biofeedback is that during the testing process in these devices, ALL of the items contained within the system are tested for patient resonance; and all of them come up in the matrix display within separate categories that are listed according to acute (strongly positive resonance) all the way to chronic very weak resonance). Thus it is entirely possible for a male patient who has a temporarily high estrogen level, which may have been due to ingestion of it in foods, might show an acute or high resonance to a typically female hormone condition such as pregnancy. Taking that sort of data at face value can obviously lead to misinterpretation, or in the case of the article in the link, dismissal of the whole system as hokum.

The more serious implications of a practitioner not interpreting the data base arrangement of matrix items correctly or in context is that a potentially serious condition might be overlooked or dismissed as not important because it appears in the chronic or weak resonance category. This can often be the case, as occurs in instances when people have adapted to conditions like diabetes, MS or even cancer. At the time of testing, these sorts of things might just not be in a highly reactive state.
The potential for an opposite misinterpretation is also possible, when for example an individual's data base matrix might temporarily test highly resonant. For example, diabetes might show up as highly reactive because the individual being tested consumed a food high in sugar just before testing (happens a lot).

Given these points, it is prudent for practitioners to look for repeating patterns of data within the different analytical programs of the data base and preferably to do so over more than one test if it is suspected that a data item or health condition is worth further investigation or focus.
This is where integration with other medical professionals is essential; for such suspected conditions need to be investigated and treated through more reliable means; even if the patient chooses to continue with biofeedback therapy.

Oh sure, there are a lot of measures taken by biofeedback practitioners to avoid responsibility with respect to missed or incorrect assessments as well as liability issues that may arise through the use of this type of therapy, but my concern has always been that patients themselves understand that it is their responsibility to remain in the care of their PCP and other health care practitioners; as well as to inform them of any health concerns whether those come from interpretation of biofeedback data or otherwise.

In summary I do believe that the use of electromagnetic biofeedback is a viable form of assessment and therapy when used intelligently as a part of overall health enhancement techniques. Like many other health care tools and therapies, it is but one in a whole host of potentially beneficial ones, and by no means should it be relied upon as the be-all or end-all.

With love, Erika

I think it is really difficult to trust or respect some "Professor, or PhD doctor" whose credentials are bogus.

While the systems look promising, the underlying research is not strong, and there is no proof whatsoever, over the past 20+ yrs or so that it is valuable or that it works. (This system has several name incarnations too) In that time "something" would have been noticed and catapulted this system into popularity, rather than the reverse of circumventing authorities.

At our PN forum, we have our own, electrical "system" that we discuss often, called the Rebuilder. (which has spotty effectiveness if any at all).

We are all entitled to our own opinions, however, and this thread certainly has been educational for me!

I feel like I am having to defend my choice to do this experiment.

She holds a license from the state health department to use this biocom machine. She is a licensed "medical analysist" She is registered and licensed thru the state board of health. The surgeon general of our state had one of his cousins treated in her clinic. the governor of our state had his wife in the clinic and she is an MD. After that visit the governor gave her a plaque or recognition of service. (not sure that means squat)

Many heard about what my kitty went thru and we were all amazed that jack the cat went from deaths door to rolling and playing in the sun. I made it MY personal mission to find a practioner that uses this style of medicine on human beings. I KNOW that it could be complete BS and I know that it could be amazing. to me, its worth the gamble. I got my MD on board and we have filled him in on it, and he is working hand in hand with her, so there IS a checker in place that what she is giving me isn't going to harm me.

I am not gullible. I am not easily taken for a ride and if I do go for a ride I know ahead of time that this may turn out to be nothing more than a ride. I am not easily hypnotized and had a long term friend who did "pyschic" hot line work and told me all about cold calling and how to easily get folks to think you know much more about them than you do. I wore prostetic breasts, and yet without touching or seeing me, she knew I had breast cancer in my 28th year of life. she knew which chemo drugs I had taken in my 30th year of life. She knew that my thyroid has nodules (has been confirmed by earlier tests) she was also able to tell me I have some lesions in my brain and couldnt ID what was on the right side, but didn't want to call it a "tumor" I have spoken here about my glioma and how it doesn't grow. She spoke that she thinks its a piece of scar tissue from an old bleeding injury.

She did many things that impressed me, and I am not easily impressed. Please know that I am NOT selling this kind of medicine. I did not show up here with a bucket of Acai berry juice saying OMG you gotta try this! I thought since this is so expensive and so many have wondered about seeing one of these guys, that I would allow MY experience to be advertised here and share with you what is happening.

I am NOT selling or bashing this product or service. I am simply reporting what is happening TO ME. PLEASE see YOUR MD if you wish to undergo treatments anywhere. NEVER EVER use MY recommendation of what works for me as something that would work for you.

I admit that there are a blue ton of crack pots out there just ready to sting you with bees, fill you with purple juice, put powders and potions in your oatmeal or have you lay down in traffic and let the increase in adrenalin cure you.

I am happy to continue to share my experience if you wish, but if you feel that I am here pushing/selling, or advertising for any one product or service I will be happy to keep it to myself. I know several are skeptical as am i. Im simply willing to give her 90 days of my miserable pain ridden life and see if she can shift the tides.

Dejibo,

I am so sorry if anything in my posts have upset you or anyone else; as that certainly was not my intention. Please do not feel that you or your choice is under attack; they aren't.
I think that because biofeedback is relatively unknown it has attracted a fair amount of commentary; and some of it is controversial. I had hoped to smooth that out rather than to encourage it.

Personally I support your choice as well as the use of the biofeedback system as a supportive form of therapy to enhance health. I just felt that it may have been helpful to provide some information on the subject for those who may want it.

I'm signing off on the topic from here on out but I very much look forward to hearing your observations and experiences.

I wish you the very best in all things and specifically an excellent experience with this form of therapy as well as with the practitioner.

With love, Erika

Oh, I don't get any impression that you are advertising anything.

But I do tend to want to reinforce safety issues. We've had years of Rebuilder discussions on PN. I mean YEARS!

I would be the last person to squelch a discussion here. I am only pointing out things I think are possibly harmful or untrue.

I dont want anyone to leave the thread. I want to be able to have a conversation about what I have chosen to do with MY personal treatment plan for the next 90 days. As I have said this will either work, or it wont.

I hope that sharing MY experience will help others to see/hear/experience what is going on without having to shell out thousands of dollars of their own.

As I said in the first post, let me be your guinea pig. I expect one of three things will happen.

1. I will feel tons better and be happy.
2. I will feel worse and feel ripped off.
3. I will feel no change and be no worse off than I am now.

Since my MD is watching over this whole thing I am not expecting to feel worse with the exception of some detox from the chemo drugs that I took back in the day. This woman tells me some folks can feel punky during that, but for the most part, you feel crappy for a few days and then start to feel better and better.

BS in a can or not, im marching forward. I hope to be able to share my story. Thank you for letting me tell you about it. I do welcome questions, comments, concerns and encouragements. I would love your input. I am just hoping you will remember i too dont feel good, and while I am trying to find my place in this world I am hoping you will cheer me on as I try. just like some folks love Copaxone, some hate it. Many studies show no one knows how or why it works or IF it works at all. Some folks wont go near LDN because its "quackery" but this quackery works so well for so many...makes ya wonder. Betaseron does amazing things for some folks and rips up the livers of others. Makes some so depressed they cant continue. no one can fully explain how/why it works, and yet in some folks it does. in other folks it does nothing to stop the progression of this disease.

I am willing to give this a try. I saw it work a miracle on my cat (who isnt prone to the suggestive phrase or cold readings) he simply knew he could pee again, and he felt better so he stopped hiding in my armoire. He went from being on narcotics 3x a day to being on nothing. He pees everyday now. You can pet his tummy without him howling in pain. He wants to be with me, love me, be brushed, and watch his birds in the yard. If this woman can do half for me what his vet did for him, I will consider it a win.

Its only day Zero. I start my suppliments tomorrow after a baseline blood test. Lets just see how it goes.