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Erika 08-30-2012 03:29 PM

I would like to express my celebration for the questions raised by our members, and although I remain open to all hypotheses, this one seems to be ignoring some research data on MS that has already been conducted and that leaves me scratching my head.

For example, if true, how is it that the hypothesis is only applicable to those in temperate climates; for research data has already shown that MS is rare in the far north and the far southern portions of the globe?

I would now like to learn what the "treatment" portion of this hypothesis is though; as I think that we have been given enough info on the hypothesis itself. Because of the lack of that information, the promotion of this hypothesis is sounding more and more like a sales pitch for a product of some sort.
There, I said it.:winky:

Thanks.

With love, Erika

Snoopy 08-30-2012 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Erika (Post 910302)
Because of the lack of that information, the promotion of this hypothesis is sounding more and more like a sales pitch for a product of some sort.
There, I said it.:winky:

I have followed this thread from the begining and have been waiting for the sales pitch and/or cure :rolleyes: I am very much a doubting Thomas :p

Annesse 08-30-2012 05:16 PM

Hi Carebear~In answer to your question on Globulins... Albumin and globulin are the main proteins found in blood. Globulins act as transport proteins, and are the building blocks for antibodies, glycoproteins, lipoproteins, clotting factors and other components of the immune system.

So how would a lack of protease lead to low levels of globulins? Amino acids are the building blocks of globulins. If a person lacks any of the amino acids, the body will not be able to make globulin. Protease break down dietary proteins and release essential amino acids. We have been discussing the lack of phenylalanine (essential amino acid) in MS. The previous study I posted found that MS patients also lack tryptophan, leucine, valine and isoleucine. (Post #26)

Others have questions as well, but it seems as if the majority here are not willing to listen to how the symptoms and scientific findings in MS relate back to protease. Uric acid, neopterin etc.. can all be clearly explained as well. There was to be no "sales pitch." *edit*

These posts, I believe, explain the connection to MS and lymphoma.

SallyC 08-30-2012 06:24 PM

I think I'm done here. Thanks for all your input everyone, but I don't think we're going to get THE answer here.

The info is interesting and all of your work is appreciated, Annesse, but I'm in a bit of a hurry.....I'm 72 and had my first MS sx at age 24 and not sure how much time I have left..:eek: :Help: :D

daisy.girl 08-30-2012 06:47 PM

I'm with you Sally, I am done here too!

All we do is just keep asking for the answer......and get the same run around answers each time.

carebear01 08-30-2012 09:57 PM

I gather that all this information is in your book "Autoimmune, The Cause And The Cure"? and the type of diet you feel would be beneficial to us based on your research? I'm not scientific or anything, but I'm getting that we should be eating large amounts of protein? Also, You said that the majority of the people here don't want to listen, I think we have. You gave us alot of information to absorb. If the answers to everyones questions are in the book, then you should at least say that so we can purchase it if we're interested.
Thanks

Annesse 08-30-2012 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carebear01 (Post 910385)
I gather that all this information is in your book "Autoimmune, The Cause And The Cure"? and the type of diet you feel would be beneficial to us based on your research? I'm not scientific or anything, but I'm getting that we should be eating large amounts of protein? Also, You said that the majority of the people here don't want to listen, I think we have. You gave us alot of information to absorb. If the answers to everyones questions are in the book, then you should at least say that so we can purchase it if we're interested.
Thanks

No, eating a large amount of protein (or any protein) if you lack these enzymes would not be beneficial. Here is a picture of unbroken down proteins and DNA in a lupus patients bloodstream. They are a result of a lack of the enzyme DNase1 as the information states. These unbroken down proteins and DNA will cause an immune response. The immune system forms NETs around these protein particles, due to the fact that they are foreign, and these NETs become lodged in organs and tissues. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0503161423.htm

Let me explain how I feel. I came here excited to share what I feel is the disease process of MS. I stated that from the beginning. If you review the first posts, you will see that the members who first posted were very skeptical that I would be able to trace the symptoms and findings I listed in MS back to these enzymes. So, that is what I began to do. Soon after, a few members decided they didn't want to listen to me explain the disease process and started posting I basically should just skip the disease process entirely and tell them how to "fix it". Imagine if you were standing up in front of a group of people trying to explain something you felt was very important. The group came to you, so to speak. They knew why you were there and what you intended to explain. After only speaking for a few minutes, someone shouts out, "I don't want to hear what you have to say. Skip to the end!" Let me say once more. I can't just tell you how to fix it. You need to understand the disease process. If you don't, what I tell you to do won't make a lick of sense. If you aren't willing to invest the small amount of time in understanding why you are sick, then I guarantee you, you won't be willing to do what I suggest you do to get well.

*edit* I am not enjoying myself and it doesn't sound like many here are either.

Frankly, I am scared to even mention my book. Yes, much of this information is in our book. Yes, one-third of the book is on the healing process. Another reason why, unless I write a literal book here, you will need the disease process information in order to get well. The healing process is a very personal journey. I point you in the right direction, but you will be the one walking. You better know where your destination is.

I am sharing additional information here that is not in the book. Sometimes you don't think to include something that might be of concern to someone with MS. For instance, the question on globulins. That is not in the book. MS patients are often given globulins though,and I can see why that would be important to understand why.

So really, as I said, this is not fun for me. If you agree that it is not beneficial for you also, then we can agree to stop. None of us need any additional stress in our lives.

Snoopy 08-31-2012 05:34 AM

Quote:

Annesse:
Others have questions as well, but it seems as if the majority here are not willing to listen to how the symptoms and scientific findings in MS relate back to protease.

I am listening but you have not answered my question, yet.

Quote:

Post # 60:
Question: When are these enzymes missing? At birth or older?

Erika 08-31-2012 06:24 AM

QUOTE: "...it seems as if the majority here are not willing to listen to how the symptoms and scientific findings in MS relate back to protease."

Annesse,
Rather than it being a matter of not being willing to listen to how you relate symptoms and scientific findings in MS to protease, at least from my side, it is a matter of not receiving information with respect to the other side of the hypothesis; that being what your recommendations are to correct the problem.
Providing that information would allow people to analyze for themselves if the corrective protocol might be appropriate for their individual circumstance and from that they could also decide whether to either try it or not.

In an attempt to not throw the baby out with the bathwater, some on-line searches revealed that you have posted your hypothesis in a similar manner to the way in which it was posted on NT on many other web sites; and have also received positive feedback with respect to you book and the recommendations within it.

Here is one link to a site where an individual has decided to try your recommendations:
http://www.inspire.com/Drusy/journal...-and-the-cure/

*edit*
From the same site in the comments section, your responses to some questions reiterates the hypothesis with respect to protease deficiency and also supports the use of some fermented foods (possibly as part of the corrective dietary recommendations):

*edit*

That is the information that I feel our members are looking for.
So the question remains, are you willing to provide your dietary and other 'corrective' recommendations in a more complete form (even if summarized) on this forum, or is it necessary for people to purchase the book to obtain it?

I do suggest to our members to proceed with caution should they be considering adding some of the recommended foods to their diet; especially dairy and sauerkraut; as these types of foods have been linked to allergy-type reactions, generalized inflammation and intestinal irritation; despite the claims made by the authors of this book.

Raw sauerkraut may contain high levels of salt (depending on how it is made), but it also contains variable levels of enzymes and most importantly acetylcholine. Acetylcholine is a neurotransmitter that when taken into the gut can be beneficial for some, but can also cause gastrointestinal problems including diarrhea for others.

With love, Erika

Laurie D 08-31-2012 06:24 AM

Hello, this has been a great discussion w/ interesting theories. I wanted to tell you about a guy in my area who was wheelchair bound and could not play his guitar any longer who just had a stem cell transplant. His own revitalized cells. He is walking with assistance and playing his guitar now, and is raising money to have another... The article is in The Daily Hampshire Gazette in Northampton,Ma. on June 15, 2012, and their site is *edit* all caps. It was inspiring to me and gives me hope.
Thinking of all of you, Laurie


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