Hello everyone,

I'm a newbie... just diagnosed with the final deal last week. They're about to start me on a DMD, but I'm having a terrible time deciding between Avonex and Copaxone. Is one really any more effective than the other?? Or am I just trading side effects and injection convenience? I can't seem to find any literature that compares the two drugs on the same terms. Does any of you have any insight that you could share with me? Thanks, in advance!

Also, I'm a totally healthy 30 year old woman; my only symptoms as of yet have been tingling of my toes and numbness in my hands. However, the brain MRI showed between 30 and 35 lesions in my brain. None were found on my spinal cord, and no O bands were found in my CSF. My question is this - how many lesions to y'all (yes, I'm from Texas ) have? Is 30 a lot? The doc said that it's likely that the MS has been attacking un-eloquent areas of my brain since I was a teenager. I know that's really rare - that most people are diagnosed between 20 and 40, so I also worry that my version of MS could be rabid (for lack of a better term). Does anyone have thoughts on this?

Thanks again so much for being here for me to torment with my many questions.

It's not the quantity of lesions, it's the quality of lesions. You can have a ton of lesions and hardly have any disability, or you can have a couple of them and have serious problems.

It depends on where they are.

I have two lesions on my spine. I have no problems walking. I have numbness on the sides of my feet and in my toes, and this morning I woke up to a numb hand (feeling came back about an hour ago in the hand)

I have yet to have any paralysis. So, apparently those two little lesions are only causing me sensory symptoms, and not motor problems.

My brain MRI couldnt find any lesions, but I had optic neuritis as one of my presenting symptoms. So, I'm guessing that I must have a lesion somewhere on my optic nerve, but heck if they couldnt find anything but two little white "dots", that were "not indicative of MS" in my left frontal lobe on that same MRI.

MS is a weird disease...sometimes it does things that make no sense.

Oh, and to answer your question about which DMD to use. Doesnt really matter...if you take one and you're allergic to it, or if it doesnt seem to do much for you, they'll just try you on another one till they find the one that works.

I went with the one that had the least side effects to start out with. I'm on Copaxone. I'd rather have little bee sting reactions to injecting every day, rather than several days of the "MS Flu" from one of the other DMD's.

I'm hoping to convince my neuro to let me try LDN (Low Dose Naltrexone)

oh, and I have some suspicions that I might have developed MS sometime during my childhood or teenage years. I have no evidence of that tho...just an experience with vertigo for a month or two when I was maybe 11 where I was dizzy everytime I rode in my dad's Volkswagon Bus. (pre-seatbelt law days) I had to lay on the floor of the bus to keep from being sick everytime I got in it.

My parents thought it was a weird phase I was going thru where I wanted to lay on the foor of the bus, but no, I was dizzy enough to want to hurl.

I also have a few memories of feeling a sensation similar to The Hug in my early 20's. So, I'm not at all sure that I developed MS after having mononucleosis in 1996. I'm not sure if my memories are correct for the timeline of when I remember some of this stuff.

I was dx last year at the age of 50. I have 6 lesions in my brain and one on my spine. I have muscle stiffness/spasms in my left leg and need to use a cane most of the time when I go out. I also have constant stiffness (ms hug) in left rib cage and back and occasional burning/tingling in my left arm and on the top of my head. So as you can see the number of lesions is not necessarily related to level of disability/problems.

Thanks so much for your insight. This is just such a strange trip. Now I keep convincing myself that every single weird sensation that I have has to do with MS. I need to quit it.
One other question I have is this - does heat actually cause flare ups, or does it just make old flare ups feel worse? My doc says the former, but all literature that I've read says the latter... I really like being outdoors, and I live in Texas. Not looking forward to trading my mountain bike for a stationary one...

Hi, welcome! I am extremely sensitive to heat, but it has never caused a "real" exacerbation, only a worsening of symptoms or what they call a pseudo-exacerbation.

I tried to rake for a few minutes in our surprise 80-degree weather the other day, and I was suddenly weak, wobbly, foggy-brained, etc. It went away after I cooled off. Sometimes it goes away in a few minutes; sometimes it takes a few hours. Sometimes I have that "just got over the flu" feeling for up to a day. Who knows why.

I can date my symptoms back to my teen years as well, but had my first major attack in 1991. I haven't had a MRI since 2003, but at that point I had two large spinal lesions and three small brain ones. The spinal lesions are the one's that cause me the most problems, for sure. Have you had a spinal MRI too?

I've known people who've had 100+ brain lesions, even a 13 yr old boy, but after trying all the DMD's he finally settled on Copaxone and LDN, and has done wonderfully since then. Last check he had NO active lesions.

Erin and Barb have given you some good advice. As far as heat, it can cause psuedo exacerbations and symptoms, but they will let up when you cool down. This is true of stress, over-doing things, and infection as well. However, infection left untreated can put us into a full-blown attack too, so this is not something to leave! If you think you might have an infection, treat it with fever reducers faithfully, until you can get checked out and a rx for antibiotics. Bladder infections are very common.

Welcome to the forum.

Cherie

Wow - thank you both so much!
Yes, I have had a spinal MRI, which came back clean. No lesions on my cord or O bands in my fluid from the LP. Just in my brain... and I always wondered why I was nutty...

Oh, and . . . I don't agree with everything that is said in this link, but it is the best one I've found for comparing efficacy and side-effects on the various DMD's.

Just click on the list on the left to view each:

http://www.themcfox.com/multiple-scl...ectiveness.htm

Cherie

Hi, Rissa.

I was diagnosed at the age of 25 but I have been able to take symptoms back to childhood possible even before my teens but it's hard to know what would have been normal at the time and what could be considered MS.

I have recently had a symptom confirmed as a MS symptom that I can remember having around the age of 12.

You will find quite a few people with MS that after learning and researching abou the disease realize they had symptoms as a kid.

This link is to The Rocky Mountain MS Center here in Colorado. They have a newsletter INFORMS and this one was dedicated to Pediatric MS.

http://www.mscenter.org/images/stori...ormsSpring.pdf

This is a small excerpt from the spring 2007 INFORMS........

Dr. W.: Pediatric MS is actually not
that uncommon. In fact, when large
MS centers look at their patient database,
they realize that up to 10% of
adult MS cases have had their first
symptoms before age 18. However, for
various reasons (lack of care provider
awareness that MS can strike in children,
mild symptoms in a patient too
young to realize these are not normal,
consideration of other more common
diseases…), often the diagnosis is not
made early on, and can be delayed
until adulthood. There are some reasons
to think that there are between
10,000 and 20,000 patients affected by
MS who are under the age of 18 in the
US, but the number still may be

underestimated.