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pingpongman 10-06-2010 06:27 AM

Yes AnnieB3 I can see with one eye covered(either one) also the right eye has a bad droop. I just black out one lens on my glasses. However my depth perception is horrible and I love to play table tennis plus I can't safely drive now. I have added Vitamin D and was already taking fish oil. The Pred really boasted my energy level and I thought I was a ball of fire the first 3 days but yesterday decided to take it easy and not be stupid.
Thank you
Mike

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Originally Posted by AnnieB3 (Post 701884)
Mike, Your DV goes away with one eye closed, right? I hope the Pred continues to make you feel better. Please think about adding calcium/vitamin D and flax or fish oil to your routine.

Debra, I was actually worried when you posted about how you are doing. Are you overdoing things, now that you are on a lot of meds? Meds only go so far, you still have to be sensible! ;)

Abby, I think we all underestimate even what having one weak muscle can do to get us off balance. All it takes is one muscle to be weak to throw our eye focus off and create double vision. I have a bad ankle and when it gets weaker, I trip on air from "foot drop." It's easy to "pooh-pooh" our own muscle weakness, and ignore it, because we want to much to be normal. Then we are so surprised when we can't stand or walk or whatever. ;)

Rachel, MG muscle weakness is not predictable, even on meds. I often get "2nd day payback," where my muscles are even weaker than right after going out. The most important thing is to pay attention to all those clues, like the ones Abby and Debra spoke about.

The "sub-topic" of muscle cramping or spasming is important too. Yes, when MG antibodies attack our neuromuscular junction and we don't get enough acetylcholine, our muscles get weak. So many neuros, including my current one, refuse to acknowledge that cramping and spasming are a result of that weakness. They insist it has to be an electrolyte problem or something else. You can overuse your muscles more quickly than most and the end result is the same: Weaker muscles that can cramp up. I don't know why they are so obstinate about this.

After my crisis in 2005, I had an appt. to go see my internist. I was holding a mirror in my left hand while putting some makeup on. It contorted up so badly I thought I might be having a stroke. It was my first crisis and so I had no idea how bad every single muscle can get after that. Even the smallest use can send them into cramping and spasming.

Can you tell I'm in a bad mood?

Thanks for the input, you guys.

Annie


DesertFlower 10-06-2010 10:37 AM

Mike, I wanted to add that too much Mestinon can cause weakness, for me this weakness feels different from regular MG weakness. I had severe double vision from MG for about 5 months, it finally went away when I decreased my Mestinon dose.

My neuro did say that Mestinon can help with double vision but it often takes at least 6 months.

If your neuro approves it, maybe you can adjust your Mestinon to see what works best for you. I can only take 30 mg at a time. Taking a full pill (60 mg) of Mestinon causes double vision for me (and other problems).

I hope this helps.

pingpongman 10-06-2010 11:10 AM

Desertflower I agree with what you say. I started on 30mg 3xd by Neuro. Then my neuro-optomoligst increased it to 60mg 3xd. Still no effects. Then my neuro-muscular increased it with 180 mg at night that caused me fatigue problems. The neuro-muscular office didn't return my calls so my wife took me off the morning 60mg and that helped. She felt it was overlapping with the 160 time-release. The muscular office finally called after 2 days and said that was OK. He (muscular) has since added Neostigmine. The neuro-muscular doctor appears to be taking the slow approach. However the neuro-optomoligst appears to be taking the aggressive approach since he just put me on Prednisone 5 days ago. Now I feel like I can run a marathon.
Mike

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Originally Posted by DesertFlower (Post 702018)
Mike, I wanted to add that too much Mestinon can cause weakness, for me this weakness feels different from regular MG weakness. I had severe double vision from MG for about 5 months, it finally went away when I decreased my Mestinon dose.

My neuro did say that Mestinon can help with double vision but it often takes at least 6 months.

If your neuro approves it, maybe you can adjust your Mestinon to see what works best for you. I can only take 30 mg at a time. Taking a full pill (60 mg) of Mestinon causes double vision for me (and other problems).

I hope this helps.



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