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View Poll Results: Is there anyone out there that is antibody neg. including Musk for Myasthenia Gravis?
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Old 06-26-2011, 05:39 PM #21
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Blondieslp, I am seropositive for Acetylcholine modulating antibodies. 3% - 4% of MGers only have those, though I suspect it's more.

The AChR and MuSK antibodies may only be the tip of the neuromuscular junction malfunction iceberg. Simply because you are seronegative does not mean you don't have MG. MG is a clinical diagnosis that is backed up with tests. There simply aren't that many other diseases that look, walk, talk and droop like MG!

Having a good neurologist is key to figuring things out and getting good care.

I wonder if it's the Prednisone making you feel shaky. Do you know that it can cause glucose issues in some people and in some it can cause diabetes? I think it's worth your while to talk to your primary doctor about setting up a walk in lab appt. for when you feel shaky. Or find someone with a glucose meter to check your blood glucose. Sometimes those "mini-clinics" in malls and grocery stores have the ability to do a quick check of your glucose too.

Don't get discouraged. MG can be a tough disease. The weakness can be unpredictable and you have to be able to roll with the MG punches or you might find yourself upset on a daily basis about what you can't do. Try to alternate activity with rest. And keep as coolish as you can!

Have you seen a neuro-ophthalmologist? They aren't the same as an ophthalmologist/regular eye doctor. They have tools to determine if you have fatigable eye muscles and what degree of DV you have.

Since you now have breathing problems, you should really go see a pulmonologist. They should check how you are doing now and then, if you get worse, they can see how much worse. Neurologists and pulmonologists work together in a hospital if a person with MG has to be admitted. There is nothing like having a very good pulmy. Mine puts in standing orders for breathing tests, especially MIP (maximum inspiratory pressure) and MEP (maximum expiratory pressure), which are specific for someone with a neuromuscular disease. If I get worse, I get in right away for tests whether I have an appt. or not! She knows I am the best judge of how my MG is doing and trusts me.

I hope you will have more conversations with your neurologist and your primary doctor (about glucose and other matters). Your general health is important to be checked out too from time to time. When was the last time you had an ECG?

Good luck with all of this. MG isn't fun but you can deal with it. Give yourself some time to adjust.

Annie
Thanks Annie,

I am under the care of a pulmonologist. I have infiltrates in my lower lungs and some nodules as well. Thanks for the tips. This really helps. I guess your right I really need to just relax about this more and take one day at a time. I am seeing my neuro tomorrow and will discuss with him about my blood sugar. He wants to do some more blood work anyway. I do have other questions for him as well. Especially to discuss the fact that he does not seem to be sure that MG is what I have because of the negative tests. I went to him because he is one of the first Doctors I believe, that specialized in MG in the Boston area. He seemed to be the one to go to. Anyway, I am sure it will all get worked out. Thanks again, Sherry
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Blondieslp, Do you have a more informal name or do you just want us to call you by this?

It's okay if you ask your neuro to run a glucose test but it HAS TO be first thing in the morning and fasting. And any results should be sent to your primary doctor. Neuros can run tests but it's often not their "specialty" and they sometimes don't like doing things outside of it.

Endocrinologists are the ones who take care of diabetes or any blood sugar issues. Your primary doctor can run basic testing and should have copies of EVERYTHING that other specialists do for you. So keep them in the loop.

BTW, if you have antibody tests redone while on Pred, it's useless. Pred suppresses the immune system (i.e., antibody production) and it's probably a waste of money. So might be a SFEMG because, again, those drugs get rid of signs of MG. It doesn't mean you don't have MG but that the drugs are doing their job of taming it.

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What is refractory MG? Just vision?
Refractory MG means that it is resistant to treatment.


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Do you feel the Imuran is the best medication for MG?
Imuran is just one of the long-term immunosuppessants used to treat MG. Each person with MG is different in terms of how they respond to treatment. So there is really no "best medication" for MG. Imuran takes awhile to be effective (I think 3-6 months, maybe longer).


Also...when I was on prednisone my internist (who also specializes in endocrinology issues)gave me a glucometer so that I could monitor my fasting blood sugar at home. It's easy to learn how to do the test and you just need a drop of blood. You might want to ask your doctor about that.

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I fully agree with that.
Although, sometimes having a good one is not enough, and you need an extraordinary one. Which may take a very long time to find!



A pulmonologist with a good understanding of neuromusuclar disease is indispensable, once you have respiratory muscle involvement.
Preferably, also find one that has a good understanding in non-invasive respiratory support, and knows if, when and how to use it.

Also a good GP that can orchestrate it all, is very helpful.

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Thanks Alice for all your help! I actually saw someone in Boston but I am not sure how familiar he is with MG. I think I really need to make sure I am dealing with specific Drs. that know as much about it as possible. I will also set up an appt. with my primary although she told me she had only had one or two patients with MG and knows little about it. This is really re-assuring isn't it? blondieslp
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Blondieslp, Do you have a more informal name or do you just want us to call you by this?

It's okay if you ask your neuro to run a glucose test but it HAS TO be first thing in the morning and fasting. And any results should be sent to your primary doctor. Neuros can run tests but it's often not their "specialty" and they sometimes don't like doing things outside of it.

Endocrinologists are the ones who take care of diabetes or any blood sugar issues. Your primary doctor can run basic testing and should have copies of EVERYTHING that other specialists do for you. So keep them in the loop.

BTW, if you have antibody tests redone while on Pred, it's useless. Pred suppresses the immune system (i.e., antibody production) and it's probably a waste of money. So might be a SFEMG because, again, those drugs get rid of signs of MG. It doesn't mean you don't have MG but that the drugs are doing their job of taming it.

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Annie,
You seem so knowledgeable about MG. I really can't tell you how valuable the information is that you have passed on to me. I have taken some notes down and will definitely talk to my doctors. I guess I prefer blondieslp. My dad called me blondie all my life until he passed away. I was a bleach blonde and my younger sister was dark headed so he called her brownie. How I do miss him calling me that. My mom passed away in 2004 too and I was very close to both parents. All of us kids are getting up there in age now. 57 yrs old up to 75. I am 59 and have my 7th grandchild on the way. Seems like yesterday that I put my 40 yr. old on the bus for his first day of school. Life is really fleeting so I try to make the most of it. Have a great day and hope you are coping well. blondieslp
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Refractory MG means that it is resistant to treatment.




Imuran is just one of the long-term immunosuppessants used to treat MG. Each person with MG is different in terms of how they respond to treatment. So there is really no "best medication" for MG. Imuran takes awhile to be effective (I think 3-6 months, maybe longer).


Also...when I was on prednisone my internist (who also specializes in endocrinology issues)gave me a glucometer so that I could monitor my fasting blood sugar at home. It's easy to learn how to do the test and you just need a drop of blood. You might want to ask your doctor about that.

Cate
Thanks Cate,

I think I will talk to the Neuro about Imuran because of my concerns with the prednisone. Since he has told me to go back up to the 15mg at breakfast and 15mg at lunch my face is puffing up more. I am extremely sensitive to so many things that I may re-act to drugs, chemicals, heat, light, sounds etc. than probably most people. Although, I know the side effects of Prednisone just aren't good for anyone. I do know I feel so much better on it and can actually function well enough to get my work done even if I have to take some breaks. I am also concerned about the blood sugar levels. I have been hypoglycemic most of my life and this can turn to diabetes. My Grandmother was Diabetic too.
Will talk to my docs about this. Great suggestion! Thank you, blondieslp
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If you do decide to go on Imuran, Blondie (way cool explanation, thanks!), you need to have the TPMT test BEFORE starting it.

http://www.labtestsonline.org/unders...tpmt/test.html

Yeah, life is fleeting. I'm sorry for the loss of your parents.

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I have been treated in the last few months as though I have myasthenia gravis but do not have the antibodies to it. I am on mestinon and more recently prednisone. I was really beginning to think there is a light at the end of the tunnel but now my neuro is cutting me back on the prednisone I think to get me to an every other day dosage. But I am beginning to feel like crap again. My emotions are beginning to get a little out of hand and the weakness I feel in my chest is getting worse. I have had most of my symptoms in my eye, really bad throat issues ( hoarseness, can't sing well and at times my voice is very weak), neck and chest area. Is there anyone with similar issues that would be willing to share with me their experience and what the future holds? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I also cannot handle the hot humid weather. It makes me very ill and I just can't seem to function. Is there anyone out there that is AChR negative? I don't even show with Musk. Please help?
Hey blondie! I don't have any of the antibodies either, but have been dealing with MG for 18 years now. I have just been positively diagnosed with MG through an EMG about 2 years ago. Mestinon has never worked for me. I take prednisone during flare-ups. I refuse to take a maintenance dose in between. I used to have an episode about once every couple of years. After having my daughter 4 years ago, everything has gone hay-wire and my problems have worsened and become constant. I have recently discovered that my hormones are out of whack through working with a holistic healer. I reached out to her out of desperation. With her help, I came up with this idea that this may be causing my issues and have confirmed it through my medical doctors. The book "what your doctor may not tell you about premenopause" is wonderful. I urge every woman to read it and I have been using the natural progesterone cream called Uber Cream that is discussed in the book. I have been using the cream for three months and have no symptoms of the MG or Graves. I have energy, have corrected my monthly cycle, and have gone off of my anti-depressant, and have actually been able to loose some weight. The adrenal glands, thyroid, and thymus are all hormone driven and creating organs. If one hormone is deficient, the body, depending on one's sensitivity, may spiral out of control. Being deficient in progesterone, or estrogen dominance is believed to be connected to auto-immune disorders in females accordiing to the authors. The more I read, the more connections I am seeing and I find it to be exciting. I finally feel some control for the first time in years. Please read the book, it can't hurt. It's an interesting and an informative read if nothing else. Keep your head up girl! Don't dwell on negativity and don't accept other's horror stories as your own fate.
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Hey blondie! I don't have any of the antibodies either, but have been dealing with MG for 18 years now. I have just been positively diagnosed with MG through an EMG about 2 years ago. Mestinon has never worked for me. I take prednisone during flare-ups. I refuse to take a maintenance dose in between. I used to have an episode about once every couple of years. After having my daughter 4 years ago, everything has gone hay-wire and my problems have worsened and become constant. I have recently discovered that my hormones are out of whack through working with a holistic healer. I reached out to her out of desperation. With her help, I came up with this idea that this may be causing my issues and have confirmed it through my medical doctors. The book "what your doctor may not tell you about premenopause" is wonderful. I urge every woman to read it and I have been using the natural progesterone cream called Uber Cream that is discussed in the book. I have been using the cream for three months and have no symptoms of the MG or Graves. I have energy, have corrected my monthly cycle, and have gone off of my anti-depressant, and have actually been able to loose some weight. The adrenal glands, thyroid, and thymus are all hormone driven and creating organs. If one hormone is deficient, the body, depending on one's sensitivity, may spiral out of control. Being deficient in progesterone, or estrogen dominance is believed to be connected to auto-immune disorders in females accordiing to the authors. The more I read, the more connections I am seeing and I find it to be exciting. I finally feel some control for the first time in years. Please read the book, it can't hurt. It's an interesting and an informative read if nothing else. Keep your head up girl! Don't dwell on negativity and don't accept other's horror stories as your own fate.
Thanks so much for all the information. I am on an estrogen patch because my estrogen level was extremely low and I am on medication for hypothyroid. So I have had and are experiencing hormonal issues. MG came on just in the last 1.5 year or so after starting on the hormone patch. I have had under active thyroid issues for many years. I will take a look at the book as soon as I can. If you have any other suggestions, I would really appreciate it. I had to call my Neuro just a couple days ago because my stomach started burning quite a bit. He called me back and told me to stop the prednisone altogether because I could get an ulcer. He had been titrating me down. I was concerned that he wanted to stop me at that point cold turkey but he says I have not been on the prednisone long enough. I believe its been about 2.5 months maybe a little longer. But he says I should be fine. I hope so. I was also shaking a lot, had been charlie horses, face puffiness and my belly is bigger. I really wanted to get off it. Just hope this works and I can find alternative treatment. Hope we can talk again.
Thanks again. blondieslp
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Hi Blondieslp,
If you want to have a rather thorough information about the different MG treatments together with their pro's and con's, see:
http://neuromuscular.wustl.edu/mtime/mgrx.html
It is also accessible through
"Useful sites for MG" on top of the front page and the last thread in that chapter.
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