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Old 07-08-2017, 10:25 AM   #1
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I've found a couple of people posting recently about their headaches. I have had one every day for almost four months and my docs don't know what to think or do about it. My question is, Can MG cause headaches, and if so, would that be common?
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Old 07-08-2017, 05:07 PM   #2
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I don't have headaches at all.

Have you had a MRI?

A headache needs to be defined. In what area of the head does it occur? Is the pain constant or intermittent, sharp, stabbing, throbbing, dull, or any other descriptive? Have you kept a journal that describes the time of day, and the exact location and sensation you are feeling? Have you checked your blood pressure and pulse?

There are many causes of a headache. Yes, muscle weakness can cause a headache. Don't assume the cause is from MG, however.

A persistent headache requires a careful history. Did anything change 4 months ago in activity, diet, or health? Are you taking any new supplements or drugs? You really need to think thoroughly about all aspects of this topic.

A neurologist is the doctor to see for headaches. Although, depending upon the cause, a good internist can try to help determine what is going on.

Be your best advocate and write down exactly what is going on!

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Old 07-09-2017, 08:20 AM   #3
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Another thing to think about with a headache.

What makes it better? What makes it worse?

Last year I woke up with a horrific headache that caused me to collapse (in the months prior to that I was having what I wrote off as migraines several times a week.) The only relief I got from the head pain was lying completely flat, no pillow just flat. I was so sick that my husband called our gp out as there was no way I could stand up or even sit up. He diagnosed me there and then with a suspected cerebrospinal fluid leak. The low pressure of the fluid surrounding my brain was causing the headache.

I have a connective tissue disorder that makes very weak collagen so I had a spontaneous leak, it will more than likely happen again in the future.

You need to see a dr and not just write it off as a headache. Keep a food diary and see if there is a correlation with what you eat and headaches occurring 24-48 hours after.

Are you on any medications that can cause headaches as a side effect?

Do you have a lot of caffeine? If yes try cutting it out.

Are you light sensitive?

Make a list of the things that make it better or worse and see a dr. No one should be having a headache daily.

And also have you had your eyes tested lately? A change in vision if you already wear glasses means you could be straining your eyes which will trigger a headache. If you don't currently need glasses but haven't had your eyes tested maybe you do now.

There are so many things that can cause headaches, if you go to the dr with some of the stuff already figured out it makes it a lot easier for them.

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Old 07-09-2017, 02:12 PM   #4
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Hi Annie and Rach73

I am doing or have done just about everything you both mention, but not quite everything! Thanks very much for your detailed responses!

The thing is that my now-chronic headaches (about which I am now journaling in painstaking detail) started out of the blue, all of a sudden— right at the time my first real MG symptoms started! I am by no means ASSUMING they are related; I was just wanting to know if the correlation between MG and headache existed in the experience of any of this group's members.

Meanwhile, here's the best of several relevant sources I've found on PubMed.

Nishimoto, Y., S. Suzuki, K. Utsugisawa, Y. Nagane, M. Shibata, T. Shimizu, and N. Suzuki
2011 Headache Associated with Myasthenia Gravis: The Impact of Mild Ocular Symptoms. Autoimmune Disorders 2011:840364.

My summary of the article: Given the rather high frequency of patients in the MG study cited above who report headaches— esp. tension headaches—there might well be a connection indeed, whose indirect nature does not make it unimportant.

Nishimoto and colleagues write that, despite the lack of a “direct pathologic relation between MG and headache,” the following indirect relationship may well exist: “Head dropping and fluctuation of ptosis and diplopia would accelerate visual fatigue and/or stiffness of the neck, which could be the most important precipitating factors of headache associated with MG.”

Again, rather than assuming there is or isn’t such a link between MG (its onset? spikes in symptoms??) and headache, I am hypothesizing that some of us with MG might experience such a link.

I have consulted three doctors about the headache already, and will raise the issue with the two specialists with whom I have upcoming appointments. Meanwhile, just throwing this message out in case it resonates with anyone.
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Old 07-10-2017, 05:36 PM   #5
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I had a few splitting headaches along my journey, too.

Could the eye muscle problems be involved? I had ptosis,and had to wear an eyepatch for a while because of mine.

Head / neck muscle tension might also be a possibility. Those are some pretty involved muscle groups, and keeping your head in the right position with sets of muscles fatigue-ing out could result in tension headaches from (mis)using subsidiary muscle groups. The head is a bit heavy and we rely on it for a lot of stuff, so the muscles supporting it get a serious workout.

I got sidelined from driving a company vehicle because I couldn't move my neck. I was moving my upper body to look in the mirrors.
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Old 07-16-2017, 10:48 AM   #6
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Any time a muscle becomes weaker, there is stress on the skeletal system.

A weak muscle can cause secondary pain in MG. Weakness in area of the head from ear to ear, for example, can cause the feeling of a vice grip. That can occur after speaking or laughing. With MG, weakness is what happens after we DO something.

Maybe you could try using a u-shaped pillow while sitting. Those muscles need resting. Or more drugs.

There are many articles connecting headaches to muscle weakness. Massage can help. But massage is stimulating the muscle as well and can cause more weakness.

The odd thing about the body is that we can have more than one cause at once, thus the caution.

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Old 07-17-2017, 12:06 AM   #7
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Eye dysfunction can definitely cause headaches.

Twice a month, when I have to sit down and pay bills, on computer and some by paper, I end up with a whopping migraine by the end of the session. And I know all the tricks to counteract the "wonky eyes" and all that is going on.

Normally, I don't really read, I just sort of skim over things. I keep my computer screen blown up to about 150%, if the websites still work that big.
(Use Ctrl + to make it bigger, Ctrl- to make it smaller, Ctrl 0 to get it back to normal. Or, hold Ctrl and scroll-wheel up for bigger, down for smaller, and if you get too mixed up, Ctrl 0 (zero) to get back to normal size.)

But when paying bills, I have to make sure I get all the numbers and passwords right, so it's concentrated, real, eye-work, and I pay the price with the resulting headache.

Is also why I can't do much reading up on things, or searching them out, myself. Wonky eyes don't allow it.
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