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Old 12-03-2006, 05:38 PM #11
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Thanks everyone. I do find it so helpful to have a place to come to talk specifically about MG. My neuro appt went fine. We decided to try me on provigil for daytime fatigue. He said it is used for either/both physical and mental fatigue. My muscle weaknes was not really noticeable though I had tried to wear myself out.

Provigil is a strong, strange drug from my brief use of it - started 100mg last Monday. It is "amphetamine-like" with low addictive qualities... I am certainly experiencing a level of mental clarity - focus and follow-thorugh, as well as not getting sensory overload - sound, sight along with irritablility - when I get fatigued. I am able to lengthen my days a bit, and the muscle weaknes - while not improved - stands out more distinctly.

It's a little uncomfortable in my mind to take a pill for the PLM to sleep and a pill in the morning to stay awake - I feel a bit like Judy Garland! But, I remember I was desperate when I went in, willing to try anything, and I want to see over the next month or so how this works. Thanks, lizzie, for reminding me that steroids are hard to get off once you get on. I walked in to my neuro appt ready to even try that at this point without knowing what's wrong, and I do feel better that is not the route we chose at this point.

I'll see my neuro again in Feb, and we will talk some more about SFEMG - since no on at Kaiser does it, he'd have to get autho to go outside and that is never easy.

I have often referred to this experience over the decade as a medical mystery tour, and know there are multiple things going on. My GP is comfortable dealing with me without specific known diagnosis (as is neuro), and my GP has spoken of the art and science of medicine, that there are many things they simply don't know. I find that helpful. Having nonjudgmental medical guides is hugely important to me.

Remebering to pace myself is always a struggle. This year I finally reached a point where I stopped fighting all the time, and gave in to my body's rhythm, and while there is great loss in that, there is also energy in not fighting all the time. Like you, loisba, each year I have to give things up. I have wanted to be acknowledged for the "heroic" adpatations I have made in my life by doctors, but that's just not the place to go for that.

Judy, I really understand what you are going through. It is hard to deal with being so vital and losing so much. And limbo is a painful place to live. I have not been able to return to my old life or my old self, but I have found out how to live this life. I am not a "ilness is a gift" person. Healthy people love to ask about that, and I usually say if it was a gift, I would wrap it up and give it away. Like it or not, this is the life I have. Good and bad, this is it. I am grateful to have this place to come. Thanks again. Rach
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Hi Lois,
I had graves disease that probably went undiagnosed for about 4 years. I was in thyroid storm when they finally did the blood work and then the uptake. I absorbed the iodine in less than 2 hours. They actually thought the machine was broke and then did a cat scan of the stomach to see if I had dissolved the pill. I was only 39 and three doctors told me that I was wearing my body out very quickly. With a resting heart rate of 160-165, it was assumed that I would have a massive heart attack in the near future. I opted for the surgery and they had to remove it all.
I take 100 mcg of synthroid daily and until recently had no real problems. Four years ago I gained 20 lbs with a TSH of 0.02. No one has been able to figure out why my levels fluctuate so much and these 4 years have been one illness after another. Seems like we can't concentrate on one for very long because another issue crops up. I really do feel like a medical freak.
It means so much to me to talk to people who understand how it feels to feel so crappy and at times show no outward signs of illness. Some times I feel like a hypochondria who real has.........
I am sure you understand. I also would love to talk to anyone who has been on steroids for any length of time. I am at 26 mg from 65 mg. This has been for 3 and 1/2 months now. I have had a horrific time with this drug and am now off of work because my already severe osteoporosis is exacerbated to a point that I am in constant pain and am not allowed to pick up anything heavier than a gallon of milk. I never leave my house due to the way I look and feel. The steroid-induced psychosis if unreal and the few rational days I have make me realize how crazy I was. It is always nice to see yourself being a lunatic, LOL. What a mess, hey?
I just can't wait to get to Mayo............. I hope to God that they won't say that they have never seen a case like mine!!!!!! I have heard that enough. Just having someone listen and understand is so therapeutic.
Thank you, thank you. I feel like such a burden on my family and friends.
I am anxious to hear back from you and if you could find someone who can relate to my prednisone nightmare, I would be forever indebted. This has been the hardest part of all my illnesses put together.
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Rach, One thing I was learned is that having a good GP is essential. My doc sounds a lot like your''s and I would be lost without her. She has been my doc for 26 years and if she handed my file to a new GP, all I would hear is screaming and tires squealing as they burned rubber leaving town. LOL
You are right also about embracing our illness. Bull pucky, I do the best I can and pride myself in my strength, but dang it, somedays I just plain feel damm sorry for myself. Not for long.........but I do have my moments. I am glad you responded and hope that we can support each other through our ordeal. We all know that things change from day-to-day and that is one of the nightmares of it.
What do you take for PLM? I take 4 mg of klonipin and 8 mgs of requip just to be able to lie down at all. One night without them in combination and I would be walking/marching all night long.
God bless you friend and hope to talk soon
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Rach, thanks for the update. I'm glad your neuro is giving you something to help with the fatigue. You don't know how blessed you are to have found a neuro that will continue to treat you even without a specific diagnosis. My last 2 basically said: "Don't think it's MG. Have a nice day!" Judy, sounds like your GP is as nice as mine is. I saw mine today, by the way. She agrees it sounds like I've got gluten sensitivity , and drew blood for a celiac test.
Judy, I had the undiagnosed overactive thyroid from when I was about 13 or 14, it wasn't actually diagnosed until I had a thyroid storm, like you, at age 21 and had the surgery. Back then the treatment was probably much different from what you had. They gave me iodine for several weeks to get the hormone levels down enough to operate. Now that is some foul tasting stuff!!!!! Like you, my heart raced, 150 up to 165. I've always worried that I've worn it out by going so many years with it running out of control. What made mine so difficult to diagnose was that we were living overseas, and only came home every 3 years. I do remember going in to have a basal metabolism test just about every trip home. I'm currently on 137 mcg of Synthroid, and that dosage has been stable for me for several years now. So I guess I'm lucky in that respect.
Rach, I was so glad to hear you say you were learning to pace yourself. That is one of the biggest parts of the battle right there.
By the way, what is PLM? I googled it and came up with such things as POLYMET MINING CORP and Product lifestyle Management, which I'm sure is NOT what you all are talking about.
Well, I'm off to check of the celiac gluten sensitivity forums and see just what I can eat from now on.
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Rach, I ran across this site, and just had to post it for you. It is one of the best I have seen on lifestyle modifications and advice for MGers. I'm also going to post it in the sticky useful sites if it's not already there. http://www.myasthenia.org.au/html/lifestyle.htm
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Lois,
I have the same fears about what my thyroid has done to me. How much older than 50 are my inside, lol.
I never had the iodine, did take the PTU to kill the thyroid for a short while.
I knew that the iodine and the PTU would just lead to shutting down the thyroid and getting it going again for ever.
That is when I opted for the surgery and that is when they found they had to take all. I have recently found out from some docs I know that there are rare times that a piece could be left behind and eventually take on a life of its own.
You have some thyroid function and take over 100 mcg. I have none and I am only on 100 mcg.
What does your tsh usually stay at? Mine fluctuates so much. It can be 0.9 and 2 months later it will be 30, then back down again. Go figure.
I need to stop trying to diagnose myself and just wait until I get to Mayo.
It seems that the problems just keep adding up and this past year my health just keeps declining. I have total faith that Mayo is going to fix this broken body up and I can have my life back.
Boy isn't it the truth................if we have our health, we have everything, and if we don't, no amount of material things matter at all.
Have a wonderful day,
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Judy, I'm ashamed to say that I don't know what mine is. My GP runs the thyroid panel every year, and always says it is within normal parameters, but I've never asked her exactly what it is. If I remember next time I'm there, I'll ask.
I just saw her Monday for what I had already suspected is gluten sensitivity. I had experimented on my own by cutting out gluten for a few days, then eating it again before my appontment, and based on the results of my few days gluten free, she figures I am gluten sensitive, at the least. She took blood for a celiac test. If I have celiac it would explain a lot of my symptoms. I'm currently 3 days completely gluten free, and the difference is absolutely amazing. But the most wonderful benefit I've gotten is that I'm not as fatigued. So I believe much of the fatigue I was attributing to the MG was actually from the gluten. It will be interesting to see if the celiac test comes back positive. If it does, that will make 3 autoimmune diseases for me, Graves' Disease, MG, and celiac.
Plus-------TADAA!!!!(Sounds of trumpets blaring and drums beating!!) ----
I've lost 3 pounds since Monday. Hooray!
Hugs, and cheers for me!
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Lois,
Three pounds you lost, hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Twelve I found with this wonderful prednisone, BOOOOOOOOO.........

Oh well, I don't have that pred appetite, so I think it should be easier to lose because I eat very healthy and am very careful.

It seems that I have been hearing of a lot of people having celiac's, I wonder if it is becoming a epidemic or if I am just noticing it?

Down to 24 mg of prednisone starting today. Have been on it since the first of Sept. I truly understand why it is considered the best/worse drug there is.

On a positive note, the moon face has taken my wrinkles away and I must say I look like a healthy teenager!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

I do try to find the good in most everything.....................

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Judy, how well I remember the one time they tried me on steroids. It was Dexamethoson instead of Pred, and it provoked a near crisis that put me in the hospital while he got the dose of steroids up to what he wanted it to be. I got every side effect of the steroids you could get, and came out of the hospital practically unrecognizable. My face went from normal to Halloween pumpkin in just those 5 days in the hospital! I can definitely picture yours just by remembering mine!
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