[SHOVELHEAD DAVE]

I have already visited a doctor with the problem I have, but I'm not really satisfied/comfortable with what they said, so I'm curious to hear if anyone else has (a)..experienced it,..(b)...had treatment for it...and (c)...did the treatment stop it happening.?
Every several weeks or so, at no specific interval, I get a severe pain at the bottom of my back which I describe to friends/relations as being like someone sticking a knife in my back. When it happens, the pain is often so bad that I let out a yell, before collapsing to the ground a split-second after.
I can only describe this 'collapsing' as being like someone switching my legs off. I have no control over this whatsoever, but I must point out, that I DO NOT FALL DOWN 'BECAUSE' OF THE PAIN I AM IN.....The pain and the loss of control of my legs always come together, almost instantaniously.
This also always happens whilst I am standing, (never in a seated position) and I am never lifting a heavy weight, overstretching, or doing anything strenuous. Often, I can simply be standing having a conversation with someone when I suddenly get the pain, and hit the ground.?...I should also point out, that this is not some kind of 'fainting'. I am always completely conscious, and aware of everything around me, and can have sensible conversation with anyone present. After I fall to the ground, from past experience, I have learned that if I adjust myself quickly to lay flat on my back, the pain which I still feel with even the tiniest movement, dissapears very quickly, and moments later, I can be helped to my feet, and suffer no after-effects.? The doctor I saw about this problem told me that it's possible to have surgery for this, but she doesn't recommend it, as it doesn't always totaly cure the problem.? The result of my visit was,...I was issued co-codamol pain killers, and told to see the doctor again if it begins happening more often.? Can anyone shed anymore light on this for me, because I don't like it happening AT ALL, never mind it maybe begining to happen MORE OFTEN.?

[Abbie]

Shovelhead Dave and to Neurotalk!!

I'm sorry to hear of your pain and struggles! It sounds very frightening to me.


Here are a couple of links that may be of interest to you.

• Spinal Disorders and Back Pain
  • http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/forum22.html

• Neuromuscular
  • http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/forum19.html

Please feel free to roam about all of the forums and join in anywhere!!
You have found a wonderful community full of very kind, caring, and compassionate people who share a wealth of knowledge and understanding.

If you have any questions or need any assistance please don't hesitate to ask as someone will always be along to help in any way that we can.

I look forward to seeing you around the board.

Abbie

[Rrae]

Welcome to a wonderful forum. Everyone here is so VERY caring.
Abasaki gave you some good links to start with.....

The pain you describe sounds aLOT like what I've been dealing with, although my legs don't give out on me.....but your description of that pain sounds so much like how I describe mine....and in the low back.

My Dr said that from what I was describing, it sounds like severe 'muscle spasms' going on. And, like you say, they appear to flare for no particular reason alot of times.

My pain meds don't touch this type of pain, but the stronger 'muscle relaxer' seems to be helping.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

I hope you get some answers soon
Rae

[Darlene]

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There are great number and caring fellow members here to assist you. Our shouders are here for support in many ways. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

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[bgalesmith]

Originally Posted by SHOVELHEAD DAVE

I have already visited a doctor with the problem I have, but I'm not really satisfied/comfortable with what they said, so I'm curious to hear if anyone else has (a)..experienced it,..(b)...had treatment for it...and (c)...did the treatment stop it happening.?
Every several weeks or so, at no specific interval, I get a severe pain at the bottom of my back which I describe to friends/relations as being like someone sticking a knife in my back. When it happens, the pain is often so bad that I let out a yell, before collapsing to the ground a split-second after.
I can only describe this 'collapsing' as being like someone switching my legs off. I have no control over this whatsoever, but I must point out, that I DO NOT FALL DOWN 'BECAUSE' OF THE PAIN I AM IN.....The pain and the loss of control of my legs always come together, almost instantaniously.
This also always happens whilst I am standing, (never in a seated position) and I am never lifting a heavy weight, overstretching, or doing anything strenuous. Often, I can simply be standing having a conversation with someone when I suddenly get the pain, and hit the ground.?...I should also point out, that this is not some kind of 'fainting'. I am always completely conscious, and aware of everything around me, and can have sensible conversation with anyone present. After I fall to the ground, from past experience, I have learned that if I adjust myself quickly to lay flat on my back, the pain which I still feel with even the tiniest movement, dissapears very quickly, and moments later, I can be helped to my feet, and suffer no after-effects.? The doctor I saw about this problem told me that it's possible to have surgery for this, but she doesn't recommend it, as it doesn't always totaly cure the problem.? The result of my visit was,...I was issued co-codamol pain killers, and told to see the doctor again if it begins happening more often.? Can anyone shed anymore light on this for me, because I don't like it happening AT ALL, never mind it maybe begining to happen MORE OFTEN.?

Hi, I have similar problem. After setting about an hour (reading or TV), I stand up and walk off. My leggs and arms begain to shake. If I sit at once, it will stop in a minute. If i keep walking, I completely collapse. Not faint. but collaspe.

[njmama09]

Dave, did they do an MRI of your lumbar spine? Does your back spasm or do your legs just go weak?

When my L5-S1 disk fragmented, I had very similar symptoms at first.
It turns out that the disk fragment was free floating in my spinal canal and when it would wedge up against my spinal cord, it would cause me excruciating pain that would drop my legs out from under me. Basically it would irriate my nerve roots and weaken my legs.
It did progressively get worse for me, the pain finally stayed and became unbearable as the fragment caused swelling in my spinal cord. I eventually had to be on high dose steriods for almost 2 weeks, then had to have a microdiskectomy to remove the fragment.

But what you describe is pretty much how exactly what I went through at first.

[mjs417]

Hello =)

I'm new here and after searching and searching through the internet about my specific problem, Dave's post is the ONLY thing I could ever find that describes my dilemma to a "T".

Everything else in regards to the lower back problems I've had mainly describes "pain and numbness, or tingling". NEVER the total and helpless collapsing of the legs. I plan to have the problem checked this week since it's gotten pretty severe. I had countless episodes yesterday ((every 10 to 15 minutes)) simply by walking at a relaxed pace, or standing still. Now the condition is scaring me. What if an episode hits while I'm at work and a take a fall down the stairs....?

Anyway.... I was wondering if anyone knew if Dave found any other answers? Or if anyone else here has? I was hoping to gather what all information I can before going to the clinic. Physicians have a horrible habit of brushing off back pain in my area because people want SSD ((Social Security Disability)) all the time, and I don't want to be dismissed so easily. If I go in with more knowledge about these collapses, hopefully I'll be taken more seriously


Thank you for your time!

[Darlene]

Hello and welcome to NeuroTalk. Happy to see you have come to be with us. Here are a great number of dear friends to listen when you are in need of ears. Please let us know how we can help you out. You will find out we are supportive and relaxing place.

Click on the following forum, there will be a great deal of fellow members there to assist you:

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/forum22.html

Again welcome, looking forward to seeing you around. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

Darlene

[DotMac]

Hello everyone
I am a newbie to the community and was pleased to find this page. Yesterday for the first time I experienced the same thing - "losing my legs" - was busy making lunch and landed up sitting on the floor! I have constant chronic backache, not only lower back but higher up as well. My arms are often numb and useless but this was the first time the legs were affected. Really scary: eek: Because I am sick of hurting, I actually have an appointment with a specialist on 9 October, couldn't get an earlier appt. The sudden collapse led me to search today and it was so good to find I am not alone although it doesn't sound very encouraging. Can't wait to see the doc and see what he says. Will let you all know what transpires, xxx

[smrohde975]

Hello,
I am new here and I experience the exact same thing. This has been going on for around ten years now. I have been to many doctors and a couple chiropractors. I have never had an answer as to why I go thru this pain. One time I had this happen to me when I was at the chiro. He told me my lower back had a severe muscle spasm. Since then I have been giving a high dose of muscle relaxers and it helps a lot but it does not "cure" my problem. I just recently went to the doctors again and this time a demanded to know why I go thru this pain. Whenever my lower back has a "muscle spasm",(a severe sharp pain like being stabbed) at the same time my legs give out on me. I have to do the same thing and re-adjust myself on the floor to relieve the pain. I am scheduled for an MRI now so hopefully I can find an answer out soon.