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Old 01-16-2009, 09:05 PM #21
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I'm in my second week and I'm still having problems. My head has been on fire and it's ultra sensitive. If I just touch it lightly, the pain increases incredibly. The entire area is still quite sore and I'm still having bad pain in the shoulder blade. So, I'm staying on klonopin since its dulling some of the burning, and I'm still waiting to see what the outcome is with both my fingers and toes crossed.

*Frowns* that's so not good. I had hoped it was healing up and you were feeling better. Do you have anyone to give you a little extra TLC when you are feeling bad? I hope so. I am thinking of you. ((hugs))
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My PM thinks my pain is from the procedure. He did an ESI to see if that would calm things down so I'm still in the wait and see stage. I'm still getting the ON headaches, so I still don't think this has improved it, but maybe that will change too, I don't know.
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BMW & PG, thanks for your good wishes. Sleeping isn't coming easy so here I am. I'm amazed at what we do to try to rid ourselves of pain. Most people don't have a clue, do they.

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It is amazing what we do to rid ourselves of pain, well said, new friend. My name is Beth, and I just joined today. I am grateful to find this site, and my future comrades in chronic pain. I have sufferred with ON headaches for 18 yrs. I will do anything to rid myself of pain. What interventions have helped you? So far, just meds help me.

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Welcome Beth, but I'm sorry you've had to find your way here. I'm still trying interventions for my ON and neck pain so I can't really say what works since I don't know yet. There are a lot of great people on this forum and they offer a lot of knowledge and support.
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What do any of us know. We just get to live with this *&#$. I was confused and amazed when the NS said the muscles were the cause of it. I found a detailed picture of the nerves and they do exit in the muscles(probably not the best description, but all I can give right now). In theory, it makes sense, but right now, the stupid hot poker keeps getting rammed up the back of my head and I don't really like it. Anyway, my PM doctor was going to do a direct ON block and he didn't. He said that the RFA to C3 should take care of it. Time will tell, but right now, the ON's are pretty angry about all of this. I upped the dose of klonopin and I'm feeling pretty spacey too. And, I have the dizziness again that I got with the diagnostic blocks, so I'm begining to think that anything thats done to the cervicals effects more than I'd expect or my wiring is totally screwed up. I think i'd buy the latter more. And I'm watching the stupid calf muscle that keeps spazzing to see if all this has any effect on it(that may be related to the radiculopathy junk I've got going on). Oh well, our similarities are weird
I was diagnosed with ON 2 years ago.Neurontin(gabapentin) worked for 2 months only.I started treating myself with amitriptyline which my NS agreed to. Now I am being offered nerve block with alcohol/phenol injection or radio frequency neuroablation. What are the pros and cons
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Suchandra, I can't speak to the pros and cons. Both of the procedures you're describing involve deliberate damage to the nerves, just by different means. I've had direct ON blocks using steroids and anesthetic that calmed the nerves for awhile, but they can only be done so many times in a fixed period of time. The RFA I underwent was in the facet joint nerves and my doctor was hoping that it would help the ON by stopping the muscle spams and tension.

Before you go through with any procedure, please make sure the doctor goes over the risks and complications. In the US they have to get informed consent. I don't know how things are done in your country, but once the RFA is done, there is a high probability that when the pain returns, it will be worse than before it was done and since its a destructive procedure, it will have to be repeated. Take care and welcome to the forum.

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I don't know how things are done in your country, but once the RFA is done, there is a high probability that when the pain returns, it will be worse than before it was done and since its a destructive procedure, it will have to be repeated. Take care and welcome to the forum.
Is that a fact? RFA is on my future list of things to try, but this comment has concerned me. Could be a spiral downwards.
Is that a personal view or a medical one?
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Peter B, this is not my personal opinion, it is that of the medical community. Consider this link: http://www.espalda.org/english/divul.../rizolisis.asp
At the bottom of the page, it indicates "Even when it is successful, the effect of rhizotomy tends to diminish with time." I've also seen a neurosurgeon who told me the same thing so check with your doctor. The link above also references the selection criteria which are necessary steps and the US guidelines I've read indicate a lesser percent than that article states regarding the elimination of pain. I have several other links book marked discussing the same thing, but I can't locate them at the moment. I'll keep looking for them, but if you Google the subject, I'm sure you'll find them also, and note that I haven't had the RFA done directly to the occipital nerve, only to the facet joint nerves in the hopes it would free up the occipital nerves. Take care.
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Thanks EEO3.
I'll read up about it so I am a bit prepared.
I've had steroid facet injections but the new Dr says the RFA lasts much longer.
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Hi everyone,

Sorry to thread-jack EE.

Firstly - how are you doing now after the RF?

I had RF lesions (which I guess is the same thing as ablation, we just name it differntly in the UK!) to the occipital nerves bilaterally 8 days ago.

I feel worse at the moment than I did before

My head is so sore, both to the touch and internally (if that makes sense). Today I have had a really bad day - hence coming back to the forum here. My head almost feels too heavy to keep up and I struggle to find a comfortable position. If I can sit supporting my head, then it's better.

EE - I know you said that pain was worse initially after RF for you too - did that pass? How long did that take, if so? Have you had a lasting pain-free period now?

My specialist said that this would work for 12-18 months for me. He did say that the nerves may regenerate before that time is up and the procedure may have to be repeated.

I had 3 lots of steroid/local anaesthetic nerve blocks before this and they did have an almost instant relief (although it didn't last long - the longest was 10 weeks) and I was hoping for the same instant relief with this procedure. I can't believe I feel worse. It's so depressing.

Any words of comfort would be good
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