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Default Advice on seeing a Naturopath

I am hoping to hone in on a regime of natural supplements to hopefully see some results after sticking to a core group for at least 6 months or a year. Thus far, I have been dabbling with different things but want to get serious with it, so I will be seeing a Naturopath for guidance.

I have decided to focus in on a course of treatment based on the theory that we have an auto-immune basis, so the key is to control inflammation.

Some key must haves are:

Curcumin
Green Tea extract
CDP choline
B supplement
Ginseng (American or Chinese?)
Omega 3 oil with Flaxseed and Primrose

oh, plus that 30-40 min. of intense daily exercise
1/2 teaspoon Dextromethorphan at night

Is there anything else that I have overlooked? Is a Vitamin D supplement just as important as the B? I have also read good things about the Ayurvedic plant Bacopa Monnieri.

I will look at the supplements thread too but appreciate more input here especially from anti-inflammatory approach.

Thanks!

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Yes, the Vit D is very important.

Have you been tested? Do you know your level?
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Yes, the Vit D is very important.

Have you been tested? Do you know your level?
I'm still floored that not one neurologist has ever ordered a complete blood panel to check for levels of anything. I take it that these are done through our primary care doctors?

Do Naturopaths prefer to do their own workup or expect you to have it done?

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I'm still floored that not one neurologist has ever ordered a complete blood panel to check for levels of anything. I take it that these are done through our primary care doctors?

My experience exactly, but have seen no evidence that primary care and neuro's pool info ........ hmmmmmm

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I don't think that neuros know enough in that area to order the tests. I tried to find info about the possibility that electrolytes such as potassium were out of kilter in PD. As best I could find, no one had ever done the research. As important as electrolytic issues are to movement, no one has asked if there is anything odd about them in PD.

As to your plan, may I suggest that you think of it as three. Substances can stop progression, reverse damage, or relieve symptoms or any combination. Symptom relief is the easiest to verify because it is short term. The others are going to require more time to make any judgements about.

The best test that I have found for subjective measurement of motor symptom relief is to time myself balancing on each foot, best out of five. Specifics are not so important as consistency. I do it standing in a doorway with shoulders turned 90 degrees. This gives me a number that reflects my muscle stength, balance, even walking ability.

Some suggestions-
Alpha Lipoic Acid plus Acetyl L Carnitine: This combo boosts mitochondria. I have seen it double the balance time in as little 48 hours.

B Complex- I have recently added this and, while I didn't get a balance for baseline, I have found a definite value in shorter times to come On.

Potassium-Magnesium- Same comment as B complex.

Since you are looking at symptom relief with these, consider testing just one for a week followed by a week washout. Then the next, etc. Check the balance daily (I use the time of day when I feel best). Then try combinations of the three.

Report back here and we Rats will emerge from the shadows to confirm your findings.
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I am hoping to hone in on a regime of natural supplements to hopefully see some results after sticking to a core group for at least 6 months or a year. Thus far, I have been dabbling with different things but want to get serious with it, so I will be seeing a Naturopath for guidance.

I have decided to focus in on a course of treatment based on the theory that we have an auto-immune basis, so the key is to control inflammation.

Some key must haves are:

Curcumin
Green Tea extract
CDP choline
B supplement
Ginseng (American or Chinese?)
Omega 3 oil with Flaxseed and Primrose

oh, plus that 30-40 min. of intense daily exercise
1/2 teaspoon Dextromethorphan at night

Is there anything else that I have overlooked? Is a Vitamin D supplement just as important as the B? I have also read good things about the Ayurvedic plant Bacopa Monnieri.

I will look at the supplements thread too but appreciate more input here especially from anti-inflammatory approach.

Thanks!

Laura
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Following is my list. I call it my list of placebos because i dont know if any of them is really doing any thing at all. THE LIST OF MY INTERNET ORDER EVERY TWO MONTHS.


VITAMIN D2

Curcumin Complex 900 MG 60 Caps

Dual Ginseng Plus 120 Caps

Super-Strength Magnesium Citrate 225 MG 120 Tabs

Vitamin C w/Rose Hips 1,000 MG 250 Caps

Valerian Root 475 MG 100 Caps

Ginkgo Biloba Extract 60 MG 120 Caps

Milk Thistle 250 MG 120 Caps

Super EPA Fish Oil 100 Sgels

Whey Protein Powder 36.5 oz (1,035 grams) Pwdr

Bioperine Nutrient Absorption Enhancer 10 MG 60 Caps

Balance B-100 100 Caps

CoQ10 120 120 MG 50 Caps

Resveratrol Plus 60 Vcaps

CREATINE

NAC

MACUNA (ZANDOPA)

MULTIVITAMIN

ALPHA LIPUIC ACID


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I'm still floored that not one neurologist has ever ordered a complete blood panel to check for levels of anything. I take it that these are done through our primary care doctors?

Do Naturopaths prefer to do their own workup or expect you to have it done?

Thanks
Hi Laura,
When you have the blood test make sure it's done by your G.P. and that he/she and your neurologist knows what supplements you're on when you decide what to take.
Give a copy of results to your alternative therapist too.
Make sure the request form has things like a fasting glucose test, cholesterol, red blood cell, etc.as well.
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Hi Laura,
When you have the blood test make sure it's done by your G.P. and that he/she and your neurologist knows what supplements you're on when you decide what to take.
Give a copy of results to your alternative therapist too.
Make sure the request form has things like a fasting glucose test, cholesterol, red blood cell, etc.as well.
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Lee, Rick, Imad, everyone, thank you for the suggestions. Does a complete blood workup normally check for vitamin deficiencies or do I have to make special requests for those?

Also I am wondering, is this something I should have done on an annual basis? Or should I treat it as a baseline and have done less frequently?

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It may be necessary to request specific tests, especially if you hope your insurance will cover it. If you are going to have to pay out of pocket, you might look at some of the Life Extension offerings. Frequency, too, is cost determined. Were it me and money was a factor, I might get as wide a test set as I could for a baseline and repeat it after a year. Then I would figure out the rest.

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Lee, Rick, Imad, everyone, thank you for the suggestions. Does a complete blood workup normally check for vitamin deficiencies or do I have to make special requests for those?

Also I am wondering, is this something I should have done on an annual basis? Or should I treat it as a baseline and have done less frequently?

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