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Old 06-20-2015, 11:18 PM #1
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I was just researching foods that increase dopamine last night. We are intrigued by the banana and will try it, among
other foods listed, as a daily supplement, to see if it has an effect.

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FOODS THAT INCREASE DOPAMINE PRODUCTION


Low dopamine levels can cause depression, food cravings, loss of satisfaction and motor control as well as poor attention and focus. The brain produces dopamine from an essential amino acid called phenylalanine that it converts into tyrosine in order to synthesize dopamine. Foods that contain phenylalanine or tyrosine and increase dopamine naturally include bananas and high-protein foods such as cottage cheese and meat.
HIGH-PROTEIN FOODS
Dopamine is important for motivation, sexual arousal, healthy assertiveness and the proper functioning of the immune and autonomic nervous system. The University of Maryland Medical Center reports that research indicates stress may diminish the body's capacity to make enough dopamine-producing tyrosine from phenylalanine. Eating foods high in protein is important because the body makes amino acids from protein, which raises the levels of tyrosine in the blood. Foods high in protein include chicken, turkey, soy products, fish, yogurt, cheese and cottage cheese.

According to the Franklin Institute, while eating a carbohydrate-high morning meal has a calming effect because it releases tryptophan in the blood, a high-protein breakfast that raises tyrosine levels can keep you alert, motivated and energized for hours. Your breakfast can be composed of two groups of protein foods. Complete protein foods such as meat, fish, poultry, yogurt and cheese have all eight essential amino acids, whereas legumes, grains, nuts and seeds are incomplete proteins and offer only some of the essential amino acids necessary to the production of dopamine.
BANANAS, APPLES AND WATERMELON
Bananas, especially ripe bananas, are a good source of dopamine. The brown spots on a ripe banana indicate places of high concentrations of tyrosine responsible for the production of dopamine. Ripe bananas can be mixed with yogurt or milk and honey to disguise the ripe taste some people find unappetizing.

Watermelon is another fruit that can raise dopamine levels naturally. It contains great quantities of vitamin B-6, which the body uses in its production of neurotransmitters, including dopamine. Apples contain the antioxidant quercetin that protects the body from free radicals that can destroy dopamine.
BEETS AND AVOCADOS
Beets contain the antidepressant betaine that stimulates the production of SAM-e, or S-adenoslmethionine, essential to the body's production of hormones such as dopamine. Avocados not only increase dopamine levels in the body, the healthy fats they contain increase levels of endorphines, which are also pleasure-stimulating chemicals. Because dopamine is readily oxidized, fruits and vegetables in general, because they are rich in antioxidants, help protect the neurons that use dopamine from free radical damage.
NUTS, SEEDS AND BEANS
Eating nuts and seeds, especially almonds, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds and sesame seeds, helps increase dopamine levels in the body. Beans and legumes are rich in protein and also favor the production of dopamine, in particular lima beans.
WHEAT GERM
Wheat germ is a good dietary source of the essential amino acid phenylalanine that the body uses to convert to tyrosine so that the brain can produce dopamine. Wheat germ can be sprinkled on yogurt or baked into muffins
Whatever gain in dopamine can be had from increasing tyrosine by eating meat, is totally outweighed by the effect its fatty acids crushing our dopamine. And that saturated fat remains in our brains indefintely, thus continuing to suppress dopamine indefintely, thus defeating other attempts to raise our dopamine with diet.

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Did you ever do research on the dopamine raising ability of foods?
Some of the reactions you had to foods may just be a very sensitive reaction to what your body considers not good for you individually, Steve Lord. We all probably have food sensitivities and allergies (I sure do). This does not mean a certain food has anything to do for or against dopamine levels.
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Do you have any experience with brewers yeast, and or nutritional yeast?

Any idea how they might effect dopamine?

Brewers yeast is abundant in vitamins and minerals sometimes lacking in
vegetarian diets.

Thanks for any insight. I've always wondered if these products can cause more dopamine harm than good.







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This diet raises dopamine so dramatically, continuously, that I believe it would cause in many Parkinsons sufferers total elimination of symptoms.

You can do this same test, although perhaps I am better at perceiving subtle brain changes than most if I focus my attention on it, which is necessary to assess accurately, I ate each food I could find, one at a time, waited until it hit my blood stream , in me it took only a couple of minutes, 5minutes for fats, for perhaps a slight part of the food to begin to give me a reaction telling me it was to some degree in my bloodstream, and then if it gave me a pleasureable feeling (increased dopamine) I noted that, or if it neither raised nor lowered my dopamine I noted that or if it lowered my dopamine (dulled my brain in a tell tale way, reduced how good it felt) I noted that. I figured that if the food was something we evolved eating or close enough to that, it would not make us lower our dopamine output and if it was good for us because we evolved eating it we would be encouraged to eat it again by our dopamine reward system increasing our dopamine.

So if it made me feel worse I didnt eat it any more. At the end of my tests , I did these tests for months, I found that only fruits and vegetables increased my dopamine pleasure , but not all of them), and most grains were close to neutral, and all animal products suppressed dopamine(except some birds, like chicken , game hen, (and turkey wasnt too bad) were close to neutral, ) , meat being the worst, Skim milk may have been ok, I dont recall.

What I found is that the key to having the highest possible dopamine was in the fats I ate, that is the part of the food that ends up in the brain I read. And if I followed a super strict diet avoiding all things that lowered my dopamine, my dopamine got so high (I do not have Parkinsons, ) that I felt like I was almost on a pleasure high all day, and my brain felt pleasuably light around the clock. My restless leg syndrome reduced almost to zero symptoms too as a result of this diet, that syndrome being caused by too little dopamine in some parts of the brain. The feeling I get from this diet throughout the day is so pleasureable that it makes life so worthwhile that this diet is worth it to me even though I dont have Parkinsons. I can just sit there doing nothing and super enjoy life merely due to the feeling.

So here is the diet and it raises dopamine around the clock to such a degree that i believe that many people with Parkinsons would not experience Parkinsons symptoms at all, and that everyone with Parkinsons would be significantly betterr, if they ate this strict diet, which unfortunately isnt easy.

Avoid all animal food to start, you could add the birds later to see if that reduced the effect. That includes dairy.

Avoid completely the following oils. This is crucial, not a drop, Safflower, sunflower, canola, some grapeseed oils, however Salute brand is good, available at health food stores or from the manufacturer, can be cooked with. Most but not all brands of olive oils are ok in small amounts because beyond a small amount , omega 9 oil in olives and nuts suppresses dopamine. Also completely avoid, not even a tiny drop, of anythng soy, it will suppress your dopamine (and serotonin) for about six hours. Soy actually was shown to have caused brain loss on MRI in the most tofu eaters in a large medical study. You can prove to yourself about soy. SOme morning when you feel tip top after awakening, with our dopamine high, take even a tiny amount of soy and all
that pleasurable feeling disappears. Safflower oil suppresses doppaminie the most. Corn oil is ok although not as ideal as Salute grapeseed oil. However a caution, I let my omega 9 get too low at first before I supplemented a tablespoon of red palm oil which is half omega 9 and this deficiency of omega 9 , although I didnt need mmuch, set off a bout of chronic fatigue syndrome or a dead ringer for it, totally relieved by a tablespoon of olive oil. My satuated fat got so low in this diet my cholesterol become so low as to be unmeasuable, which is not good, you need to have it over 110, so I had to add the red palm oil , to get enough saturated fat. So with this diet my total cholesterol went from 190 to 110, my blood pressure went from 150 over 100 to 110 over 70. No one with a total cholesterol of 150 or below in the huge two generation of an entire town of 25000 Framingham Heart Study ever had a heart attack I heard one of the Drs in the study say on the radio once.

I add a tablespoon and a half of SPectrum flax oil for omega 3, that does wonders for dopamine elevation, quite necessary to keep up the blood level of this substance, and my saturated fat is so low ini this diet I have to add a tablespoon of red palm oil , the African variety available in a lot of health food stores now and on line, when you first eat it you will get a dopamine rise due to the body rewarding the tocotrienols form of vitamine E , this version of them unavailable in any other food and they are healful, and this oil does not suppress dopamine, note we evolved eating it in the jungles of Africa, most likely.

Almost all seeds one can buy by themselves, like pumpkin, sunflower, sesame, etc suppress dopamine to some degree,---- and all nuts do IF one eats them beyond a few so as to get too much omega 9 in the blood

I also add a tablespoon of Salute grapeseed oil to supplement my omega six because with this diet it too is too low. So the only added oils I eat are one tablespoon of Salute grapeseed oil, one tablespoon for every hundred pounds of body weight of Spectrum refredgerated flax oil in health food stores, which is 57 percent (read the label ingredients to make sure it is not their version that adds other ingredients like olive oil) and one tablespoon of African red palm oil.

Sweet potatoes (also called yams) crush dopamine

The spices thyme and tumeric and cinnamon suppress dopamine_______ and all spice and nutmeg crush it for a week or more.

Vitamin B 12 must be supplemented in this vegan diet, and I learned the hard way the vegetarian form of vitamin b 12 is useless, as one can also read.

I eat lentils and beans to fill out my protein, it is a myth that one needs animal foods to get enough protein, its very easy to get enough..only 55 grams are needed. and protein is in almost all foods to some degree.

I get a rush of too much unneeded insluin ( I learned what that felt like) which is unhealthy, and makes me feel a little woozy iif I eat fruit b itself, so I alternate bites between fruit, and any grain or any vegetable, without delay, and that near simultaneous mixing avoids this problem. Doing this and doing the rest of my diet, creates so little insulin that I have to eat almost fifty percent more calories than otherwise to keep from losing weight. Same with white rice or white bread, white pasta, only whole grains avoid this insulin effect.Cucumbers, squash , pumpkin and bell peppers are fruits..

If I eat anything, like lycopene in a tomato , or omega 3 in flax oil, or lutein in Kale, or one of the lesser known carotenenoids in yellow squash or carrots, and I am deficient in it, there will be a rush of dopamine encouraging me to eat more of this , and when I get a sufficient supply of the needed substance that reaction does not occur, except in four items, which gives me that rush no matter how many times or how much I eat of them, blackberries, blueberries, black grapes and concord grape juice which does not also contain white grapes like Welches does, the lable must say only ingredient concord grape juice, available in health food stores. I glow with dopamine for an hour or however long it takes to digest all of the deficient substance, I have found with any deficieint substance. With the big four fruits, I just mentoned, it appears that the body can always benefit by more and more, the are the healthiest foods in the world therefore I believe, and the degree of dopamine release they cause is higher than any other food. You can buy frozen blueberries at costco for two dolars a pound, 3 dollars a frozen pound at Ralphs for blackberries, and I eat a pound a day from a blender for quick ease, with a spoonfull of beans or lentils to avoid the big insulin rush, and a recent medical journal article posed the theory that eating purple fruits like blueberries woulld halt Parkinsons by neutralizing the causative free iron in the bloodstream, meet by the way allows all the iron in the meat to get into the bloodstream, whereas vegetarian food has a form of iron that stops going into the body when a sufficient amount of iron is absorbed... I eat strawberries at least once a week too, organic since conventional strawberries are high in pesticides.

I add salsa to a lot of foods for flavor, check the labels for forbidden ingredients. if a label ingredient list says "spices" without saying which ones I call the manufacturer to make sure it doesnt have one of the dopamine suppressors.

So thats it, and if I forgot something, Ill add it in a later post. This is what I found, you may want to do your own tests, but I believe this die will work universally, note t matches what we would have eaten in the African jungle over millions of ears of evolution before we recently ventured out onto the African plains where we started eating meat which evidently hasnt had time to evolve to be healthy and thus is still a dopamine suppressor. Note we would have eaten some birds at least in the form of their eggs in the jungle and snails and frogs perhaps and all of them are ok to eat, close to neutral. however apparently due to so much breeding chicken eggs do suppress dopamine, although chicken itself is close enough to neutral.

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Hi The following diet followed religiously, every detail, causes an astounding effect on increasing my dopamine thoughout the day and night, such that I feel a light, almost high or actual high feeling of dopamine pleasure, well being, throughout the day and night from all the dopamine and this diet may be the answer for someone with Parkinsons. You can prove everything I am saying below with your own experimentation.

I dont have Parkinson's, But I like to experiment. I knew that dopamine is releaed when we do something that in our history we did something that aided our survival. So I ate each food , one at a time.to see which caused a dopamine release. I noticed that for each oee some I guess tiny amont of it get into the blood stream in about two minutes, and five minutes for any oil. How it gets in there so fast is a mystery but I am certain I am correct by observing multiple responses

One response is whether the food increases my dopamine, a tell tale feeling of pleasure that we get when we release dopamine, that has evolved as the system the body uses to encourage repeating that thing that helps us to survive, in the erea of food that would be food that is healthy for us. ANother is no change in my dopamine. A third is to suppress dopamine, cause me less of a pleasureable feeling.

Using that method I found that the only foods that incrased dopamine were fruits and vegatables, well most of them at least and the rest were at least close to neutral, Grains had close to a no change effect. And all animal products had a suppressive effect especially meat. BIrds including chickens came the closest to no change, except for chicken eggs which suppressed dopamine. Quail eggs were ok. That finding fits pretty close to what we have always been told about food and health. Our diet in the jungle during evolution was basically fruits and vegetables and that is what our genes prefer now. So I eat beans and lentils to get enough protein and I eat grains to get enough calories and the rest fruits and vegetables. Not a single bite from an animal.

The other foods that suppress dopamine and that I avoid like the plague, even a tiny bit of them because even a litttle will suppress my dopamind , and I check each lable to make sure and dont eat out so I wont know whats in the food, are anything with any soy in it, if the label says the word soy , I dont eat it, salflower oil, canola oil, sunflower oil, sessame oil , chia oil or more than a small amount oilive oil or nuts becauset too much omega 9 suppresses m dopamine too. There are some other foods that suppress dopamine , presumably due to a foreign to us fatty acid, tumeric, thyme, curry sweet potatoes , and all spice and nutmeg , I avoid the latter two like the plague My cholesterol gets too low if I dont get enough saturated fat, which a vegan diet and avoiding those oils can do and it is also if I dont eat any nuts or olives or their oils become deficient in omega 9 fatty acids so the too little sat fat causes my cholesterol to be unmeasurable low,like below 80 which is dangerous and a deficiency of omega 9 can also cause problems so since I eat no nuts or olive oil, for the omega nine, or enough saturated fat in that diet, I need to supple or a tablespoon and a half of
a day of red palm oil from Whole FOod Market etc or Amazon on line, a and its becoming more know how healthy it is and I need to supplement a table spoon a day of grapeseed oil , to get enough omega 6 which is deficient in this high dopamine diet and essential to have in our diet and some grepeseed oils obviusly depending on the grapes suppress my dopaminen, but Salute brand never does, you can experiment with different brands to see, I can tell because if its one that does, and you are on this otherwise perfect diet you will after five minutes of ingesting it feel an uneasy somewhat nerve jangling feeling which also includes dopamine suppression rather than the otherwise smooth light marelous feeling this diet provides. You can cook with that grapeseed oil too, rather than loading up on olive oil which again suppresses dopamine if too much of it is eaten, even a table spoon of it if I am eating that red palmoil will decrease my dopamine a little.and the more I eat of it the more suppression of dopamine I geet, same with nuts and all the large seeds one can buy by themselves do too in any amount like suflower or sesame seeds and peanuts also suppres dopamine in any amount even though they are a legume, perhaps due to the arachadonici acid content, and in addition it increases my dopamine to take a tablespoon of flax seed oil , SPectrum or Jarrows are good in bottles of liquid for that, fish oil capsules suppress my dopamine, keep flaxsee oil refredgerated.

The four black fruits, 100 percent CONCORD grape juice found in all organic brands I have seen,and no non organic brands like Welsch's which contain other than concord grapes, like green I think, the labels will say grape juice not 100 percent concord grape juice, get the latter, trader Joes having the cheapest organic brand, , ,and also blackberries, blueberries and black (not the red which are ok but not as good for raising dopmane if eaten daily as black ones do), raise dopamine each time I eat them, to the maximum, so I eat them at the end of each meal, the last bite of the day creating more dopamine than if that same bite is not eaten as the last bite.

Try it yourself. Eat one of the four dark fruits I listed above on an empty stomach,after not eating for 8 hours over night, wait for the dopamine rush, and then take any amount of food with soy of safflower oil etc, in it, a teaspoon of soy oil or soy oil being one of the ingredients, or soy milk, etc. After about five minutes of taking one of the dopamine suppresors, , for me, whack, that marvelously pleasureable feeling I was getting from the 4 dark fruitsc disppears same for all the foods I mentioned that suppress dopamine, dairy and birds being the lesst offensive although still some suppression especially cream, cheese or butter, and milk deranges my immune system and causes autoimmune symptoms in me, and several studies conclude that those who drink the most milk are more likely to have Multiple Sclerosis.

So thats the high dopamine diet.

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Hi steve,

I'm very interested in your post. I will be trying your diet from tomorrow.

Can you enlighten me on what to look out for with regards to vitamins and supplements as I take a lot of these.

Also. What about caffeine? Im British and we drink a lot of tea which I think helps me with accessing my dopamine stores but what's your experiences around caffeine?

What about exercise as well. Surely that's good for dopamine?

Also do you have any suggestions regarding products to buy as we don't have the same brands etc. As you do in the usa.

Lastly, I think if you posted this on other health forums you'd get a lot more interest.

Thanks

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Im sure no one has experienced this diet because I find that to get the full effect I have to be perfect. IF I eat just one thing that is on the suppression dont eat list, half to all the effect of pleasure throughout the day is lost. Thus if anyone were to test this I would recommend eating only fruits and vegetable , no seasoning, tablespoon of flax oil, no sweet potatoe, no soy read all lables, no olive oil or olives,no nuts dont eat out or someone elses cooking, no other oil except red palm, and flax for say 3 days, 5 days longer than that one would have to add grapeseed for the alpha lenoleic oil requirement but only certain brands are acceptablee like Soeur or salute being rigid like that just to make sure one didnt ruin the test by eating a forbidden food. Actually it might take a week to go to the highest level of dopamine, maybe taking that long to exchange that bad fat in the brain with the good fat.

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Question: How are you assessing that your dopamine levels are, or are not, being raised by the foods in this diet? Is it by judging your feeling of happiness, or by a more objective method (and in that case, what method)?

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check this article:
The Best Ways to Increase Dopamine Naturally

L-phenylalanine tyrosine quercetin betaine L-theanine Blueberry extract Noni juice Curcumin
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