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05-12-2012, 08:44 AM | #1 | ||
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Do forum members know of any tables that show the equivalent doseages of common PD drugs?
For instance, it would be useful to be able to know the approximate effect of: 1 mg levodopa = x mg Sinemet x mg Sinemet = y mg Stalevo, where x and y are the levodopa content x mg ropinirole = y mg pramipexole This information would be useful for anyone changing drugs. It would also be useful in clinical trials and white ratting as a measurement tool by providing a common denominator, e.g. it would allow statements to be made like "this therapy has the same effect as x mg Sinemet". Annoyingly, there is a paper on the subject [1], but this is behind a pay-wall. The best reference I can find is a slide show, "Levodopa Dose Equivalency: A Systematic Review" [2], by Claire Smith, from the Clinical Trials Unit at Birmingham University, UK. This uses the concept of "LED [levodopa equivalent dose] of a drug as that which produces same anti-parkinsonian effect as 100 mg of immediate release levodopa" Levodopa (it's not clear whether this includes carbidopa, 1 mg) LED = 1 Stalevo (it's not clear how this value is calculated, 1 mg levodopa) LED = 1.33 Ropinirole (1 mg) LED = 20 Rasagiline (1 mg) LED = 100 (The slide show lists many other drug equivalences.) From these figures a daily total levodopa can be calculated. For instance, in my case: rasagilene, 1 mg (LED 100); ropinirole, 16 mg (320); Stalevo 4x75 mg levodopa (400). Giving a total daily levodopa equivalent dose of 820 mg. Please note that the numbers in the slide show are based on a literature review. The papers used are not all in agreement as to the conversion factors. Therefore, the values given above should be taken as estimates. Also, note that different drugs work by different mechanisms and have different side effects and do not always scale linearly. So they should not be thought of as directly substitutable. For instance, [3] reports that there is little marginal benefit increasing the rasagiline dose above 1 mg. [1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21069833 [2] http://www.pdmed.bham.ac.uk/investig...LED_Review.ppt [3] http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed...rchiveid=10668 John
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Born 1955. Diagnosed PD 2005. Meds 2010-Nov 2016: Stalevo(75 mg) x 4, ropinirole xl 16 mg, rasagiline 1 mg Current meds: Stalevo(75 mg) x 5, ropinirole xl 8 mg, rasagiline 1 mg |
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05-13-2012, 10:23 AM | #2 | ||
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Hello,
Paper 1 I can give you if you send me over your email in pm so I can email the pdf thanks |
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08-23-2012, 08:23 PM | #3 | ||
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Lee et al. [1] provide extra conversion factors to use when calculating a person's L-dopa equivalent daily dose (LEDD).
A person's LEDD is calculated by adding together the L-dopa equivalent of each of the drugs taken. The table below shows the conversion rates: 100 mg of L-dopa = 130 mg of L-dopa in controlled-release form = 77 mg L-dopa with entacapone = 1 mg pergolide = 1 mg pramipexole = 5 mg ropinirole = 10 mg bromocriptine Reference [1] "Daily dose of dopaminergic medications in Parkinson disease: Clinical correlates and a posteriori equation" 1Jee-Young Lee MD, 2Jae Woo Kim MD PhD, 3Won Yong Lee MD PhD, 4Jong-Min Kim MD PhD, 5Tae-Beom Ahn MD PhD, 6Han-Joon Kim MD, 3Jinwhan Cho MD PhD, 6Beom S Jeon MD PhD Neurology Asia 2010; 15(2) : 137 – 143 http://www.neurology-asia.org/articles/20102_137.pdf John
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Born 1955. Diagnosed PD 2005. Meds 2010-Nov 2016: Stalevo(75 mg) x 4, ropinirole xl 16 mg, rasagiline 1 mg Current meds: Stalevo(75 mg) x 5, ropinirole xl 8 mg, rasagiline 1 mg |
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08-25-2012, 06:53 PM | #4 | ||
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with a standard to go by and attention paid to it individuals could pinpoint their tolerance of meds in regard to dyskinesia. great post
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09-06-2012, 06:52 PM | #5 | ||
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Another conversion factor calculated from [1]:
100mg levodopa = 2mg/24hr rotigotine The paper deals with the pragmatics of what to do regarding Parkinson's meds if a patient is nil by mouth. Reference [1] "Acute management of Parkinson's patients" Joy Reid, NHS Fife, 2011 http://www.fifeadtc.scot.nhs.uk/supp...20Patients.pdf John
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Born 1955. Diagnosed PD 2005. Meds 2010-Nov 2016: Stalevo(75 mg) x 4, ropinirole xl 16 mg, rasagiline 1 mg Current meds: Stalevo(75 mg) x 5, ropinirole xl 8 mg, rasagiline 1 mg |
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06-27-2013, 04:41 PM | #6 | ||
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Some additional equivalences, adapted from Wullner et al. [1]:
Total levodopa equivalent dose = regular levodopa dose × 1 + levodopa continuous release dose × 0.75 + pramipexole dose × 67 + ropinirole dose × 16.67 + pergolide dose × 100 + bromocriptine dose × 10 + cabergoline dose × 50 + amantadine dose × 0.5 + selegiline dose × 10 + rasagiline dose × 100. Where tolcapone or entapone are added, e.g. Stalevo, Levodopa equivalent dose = regular levodopa dose x 1.25 I repeat a point that I made in a previous post: these are only estimates, they vary from author to author and from patient to patient. They do not take into account differing side effects. In judging the impact you also have to estimate the duration of the effect. For instance, a dose of 100 mg of sinemet may have an effect for, perhaps, 3 hours (it will vary from person to person). Whereas a dose of 1 mg of rasagilene will last for 24 hours. In total effect both are roughly equivalent, but the Sinemet has about 8 times (24/3) the intensity. The LED approach essentially assumes that the impact of taking more drugs (both of the same and different types) is additive. This is not the case with rasagilene. For most people the law of diminishing returns applies [2]. "Mean baseline PFS score was 2.2 ± 0.9 units. At 36 weeks, patients receiving placebo showed greater progression of symptoms (0.17 units) from baseline in PFS scores compared with the 1 mg/day (0.03 units) and 2 mg/day rasagiline groups (−0.02 units); the difference versus placebo was significant for both rasagiline groups (P < 0.01)." It is also possible that the opposite is the case for some combinations of drugs. Brodsky et al. report [3]: "Pramipexole augmented the motor response to levodopa beyond a simple additive effect and increased the severity of levodopa-induced dyskinesia. When considering a combination of these therapies, an appropriate balance should be maintained regarding gain of motor function vs worsening of dyskinesia." References [1] "Transdermal rotigotine for the perioperative management of Parkinson’s disease Ullrich Wüllner,corresponding author1 Jan Kassubek,2 Per Odin,3 Michael Schwarz,4 Markus Naumann,5 Hermann-Josef Häck,6 Babak Boroojerdi,6 and Heinz Reichmann j Neural Transm, 2010 July http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2895903/ [2] "Benefits of treatment with rasagiline for fatigue symptoms in patients with early Parkinson's disease" F. Stocchi*, The ADAGIO investigators European Journal of Neurology © 2013 EFNS http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...12205/abstract [3] "Effects of a Dopamine Agonist on the Pharmacodynamics of Levodopa in Parkinson Disease" Matthew A. Brodsky, MD; Byung S. Park, PhD; John G. Nutt, MD Arch Neurol. 2010;67(1):27-32. doi:10.1001/archneurol.2009.287. http://archneur.jamanetwork.com/arti...ticleid=798841 John
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Born 1955. Diagnosed PD 2005. Meds 2010-Nov 2016: Stalevo(75 mg) x 4, ropinirole xl 16 mg, rasagiline 1 mg Current meds: Stalevo(75 mg) x 5, ropinirole xl 8 mg, rasagiline 1 mg |
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08-01-2013, 06:44 PM | #7 | ||
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PDMeasure is beginning to show some interesting results. The graph below shows the number of years since diagnosis and the amount of PD medication (measured as a levodopa equivalent daily dose, LEDD) taken by people in the survey with a diagnosis of IPD.
LEDDyDX.png There is too little data to show statistical significance. But, I do think that as a proof of concept it does show what is possible if we had more data. John
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Born 1955. Diagnosed PD 2005. Meds 2010-Nov 2016: Stalevo(75 mg) x 4, ropinirole xl 16 mg, rasagiline 1 mg Current meds: Stalevo(75 mg) x 5, ropinirole xl 8 mg, rasagiline 1 mg |
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01-24-2014, 04:19 PM | #8 | ||
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We can take the concept of levodopa equivalent dose (LED) a step further by taking into account the length of time over which a dose is effective.
The length of the effective period depends in part on a drug's half-life, but it also varies from person to person. For instance, depending on the number of dopamineric vesicles remaining, and the intensity of exercise. My estimates of the length of the effective period for me are: rasagiline (Azilect), 24 hours, ropinirole extended release (Requip XL), 24 hours; Stalevo, 3 hours Sinemet, 3 hours A rough measure of the potency of a Parkinson's drug is given by its LED/hr: 1mg rasagiline has a potency of 100/24 = 4mg LED/hr 1mg ropinirole extended release = 16.67/24 = 0.7mg LED/hr 100mg Stalevo = 125/3 = 42mg LED/hr 100mg Sinemet = 100/3 = 33mg LED/hr These figures show, for instance, why many people don't notice the effect of rasagiline: its hourly LED is less than one eighth of that of Sinemet. It does have the advantage of keeping LED/hr levels consistently higher during the whole 24 hour period, thus reducing the impact of an "off" and reducing the chance of levodopa induced dyskinesia. The next stage is to graph the changes to the hourly LED during the day taking into account the time it takes for a pill's levodopa to reach the brain. This is affected by gastric emptying and competing protein transport through the blood brain barrier. I've no empirical data for this, but one would expect a graph like this for a person taking a mixture of medications. LED/hr |-------------------------- levodopa induced dyskinesia |..................... |..................... |..................... |..................... |..................... |..................... |..........SSSSSSSSS |..........SSSSSSSSSS |..........SSSSSSSSSSS |.........SSSSSSSSSSSSS |.........SSSSSSSSSSSSS |.........SSSSSSSSSSSSS |-------------------------- on-time threshold |.........SSSSSSSSSSSSSS |........SSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. |RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE --------------------------- Time(hr) |000000000011111111112222 |012345678901234567890123 Example: LED/hr graph E=endogenous dopamine production, a=Azilect, r=ropinirole, s=Stalevo The graph makes it clear why moving from Sinemet to Stalevo could lead to levodopa induced dyskinesia: the 25% extra strength could take one over the LID threshold. Analysing such graphs offers a way of estimating the rate of production of endogenous dopamine (dopamine produced naturally) that still remains. If this is measured over time, the changes can be used to give an estimate of disease progression. John
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Born 1955. Diagnosed PD 2005. Meds 2010-Nov 2016: Stalevo(75 mg) x 4, ropinirole xl 16 mg, rasagiline 1 mg Current meds: Stalevo(75 mg) x 5, ropinirole xl 8 mg, rasagiline 1 mg |
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11-05-2014, 07:15 PM | #9 | ||
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I've come across a paper (mainly written in Spanish, which I don't speak - but let's not stop there) which points out that there is no agreed conversion factor between levodopa and other PD drugs.
For each drug and each method of calculating the equivalence Cervantes-Arriagal et al. [1] give the conversion factor. I precis their table as follows: Drug/Lowest conversion factor/Highest conversion factor/Weighted average L-dopa/1/1/1 L-dopa CR/0.70/0.77/0.74 Pergolide/100/100/100 Cabergoline/66.6/100/80.12 Bromocriptine/10/10/10 Stalevo/1.2/1.33/1.25 Pramipexol/67/100/89 Ropinirole/16.67/33.3/21.3 Lisuride/100/100/100 Apomorphine/8/10/8.25 (N.B. the l-dopa entry is for l-dopa with carbidopa.) What sticks out to me is the large range for ropinirole: a factor of two difference between the highest and lowest estimates. Also, so many of the estimates are "round numbers", such as 100, which suggests that the estimates are very rough. That said, I think it is very useful to have an idea of the relative power of drugs. Reference [1] "Cálculo de unidades de equivalencia de levodopa en enfermedad de Parkinson" Amin Cervantes-Arriaga1, Mayela Rodríguez-Violante1, Alejandra Villar-Velarde, Teresa Corona Arch Neurocien (Mex) Vol. 14, No. 2: 116-119; 2009 http://www.medigraphic.com/pdfs/arcn...09/ane092f.pdf John
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Born 1955. Diagnosed PD 2005. Meds 2010-Nov 2016: Stalevo(75 mg) x 4, ropinirole xl 16 mg, rasagiline 1 mg Current meds: Stalevo(75 mg) x 5, ropinirole xl 8 mg, rasagiline 1 mg Last edited by johnt; 11-05-2014 at 07:23 PM. Reason: Typo |
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03-25-2015, 04:48 PM | #10 | ||
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The FDA have released a file "Full Prescribing Information" for Rytary:
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsa...312s000lbl.pdf Table 1 of the file shows the dose of Rytary for people converting from immediate release carbidopa-levodopa. Total daily dose (mg) Levodopa,Rytary 400-549,855 550-749,1140 750-949,1305 950-1249 ,1755 >=1250,2340 or 2205 The relationship between Rytary and levodopa is non-linear. Anyone know why? But, roughly speaking: 100mg levodopa = 170mg Rytary John
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Born 1955. Diagnosed PD 2005. Meds 2010-Nov 2016: Stalevo(75 mg) x 4, ropinirole xl 16 mg, rasagiline 1 mg Current meds: Stalevo(75 mg) x 5, ropinirole xl 8 mg, rasagiline 1 mg |
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