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Old 09-17-2012, 01:29 PM #11
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What most people call Cat's claw is a South American vine, Uncaria tomentosa, commonly available in health food stores. The TOA-free variety is used successfully in Lyme Disease which, some say, is implicated in PD.

Gou Teng, Uncaria rhynchophylla, is a different plant, rarely used in the west. It is used in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) but is hardly ever used alone. My girlfriend is a TCM doctor who makes a formula that contains Gou Teng among many other things, e.g. Wu Gong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQPeQ...eature=related (centipede.)

I take this formula to halt the progression of the disease though it does lessen tremors quite a bit for me. She emphasizes consulting a TCM doctor before experimenting with exotic TCM ingredients. If you want to white rat yourself you can get Gou Teng at http://www.emersonecologics.com
I forgot to mention that the first article mentioned by Pwpboy refers to U. tomentosa and says it makes symptoms worse http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18836348

The second citation refers to U. rhynchophylla, a diffferent plant.
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Thank you Gerry for the clarification and the details. Gou Teng, Uncaria rhynchophylla, is 钩藤 in Chinese. Uncaria rhynchophylla has been long available as a Chinese med in China with some different combinations. I have asked my friend in China if he can find the extract granules for tea. I will let you know if I get it...
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i think this wasn't taken very seriously because your supporting articles are very weak.
http://www.rockefellernews.com/22232...ht-parkinsons/
this article was in a unknown blog by an unknown blogger. Plus he stated a lot of nonsense such as
"It should be noted that there really is a drug to fight the Parkinson’s. This drug, which goes by the commercial name of Levodopa, works by reducing the Dopamine level in the brain, thus helping the central nervous system coordinate more efficiently."

just my opinion.
So newscientist is a weak source ?
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So newscientist is a weak source ?
you asked why there wasn't more interest in your post, i gave an opinion.
IT ISN'T a matter of whether NEW SCIENTIST is reliable, it was it was a very general NEWS ITEM of which they re-publish 100's daily, not a scientific paper.

were you hoping a lot of people would want to be guinea pigs?
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you asked why there wasn't more interest in your post, i gave an opinion.
Oh, but no problem to give opinions. I just wanted to make clear though, that your opinion wasn't valid. You claimed my article came from a blog. 1 of them indeed. But the other one came from a strong source. So your opinion wasn't actually valid.

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IT ISN'T a matter of whether NEW SCIENTIST is reliable, it was it was a very general NEWS ITEM of which they re-publish 100's daily, not a scientific paper.
Well, newscientist is quite a reliable source. Anyway, the results were published in a scientifical journal, the journal of chinese medecine which is a journal with a steep increasing impact factor:

http://www.jcm.co.uk/research-archiv...-disease-1879/

So your second opinion was again not valid, but I can understand the confusion. Anyway, no need to give a third opinion . There have already been several posters that reacted on it. Some even tried the substance and revealed it helped with their tremors. Anyway, I appreciate your helpfulness.
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OK, I noticed I confused the journal with the American journal of Chinese medecine. So it wasn't published in a big journal, but only on a conference. Anyway, this still was reviewed though I have to admit it is much more easy to get something published in a conference than in a journal. On the other hand, many times things published in a journal can be crap while things in a conference can be much more interesting. Probably they will publish it in a big journal once they finished the tests on the rodents. I guess this is the standard step these researchers have to take before considering a publication in a big journal. Everything has to be tested in fruit flies, cultures and PD rodent models.

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please note that the article refers to a formula containing quo teng. And thee herb would be used to address some symptoms of PD which not all of us have. No symptoms no need for the herb as I understand it
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Yes, I have used cat's claw on and off for several years. Plan to make tea with it tommorrow, because I feel my body has a need for it again ...don't know why I get "gut feelings about what I should take at times, but I do and try to listen. (sometimes it tells me ..don't eat that! Like the Sugar cookies I made for dad's 87th birthday with butterscotch chips....yumm, so good.....I ate some anyway, but now don't feel so good.
It is best NOT to have Sugar in THE House!! I went after those chips!
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I concur its usefulness in a Parkinson's case where Lyme is a factor.
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Yes, I have used cat's claw on and off for several years. Plan to make tea with it tommorrow, because I feel my body has a need for it again ...don't know why I get "gut feelings about what I should take at times, but I do and try to listen. (sometimes it tells me ..don't eat that! Like the Sugar cookies I made for dad's 87th birthday with butterscotch chips....yumm, so good.....I ate some anyway, but now don't feel so good.
It is best NOT to have Sugar in THE House!! I went after those chips!
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Auntie Bean, I could not concur more. For about two weeks ,I started eating ice cream, gelato, in particular, even though I have never been one for sweets. After two weeks of nightly gelato, my hand tremor went crazy. So,,,, no more refined sugar for this white mouse...ever!
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