[MeAndPD]

From this link (talking about Turmeric etc):
http://borderzine.com/2013/04/everyd...p-researchers/

"In the subcontinent of Asia and India it is difficult to find anyone with Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s disease, Narayan says. India’s incidence of Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s is one-sixth that of the United States. "

Anyone know if the "one-sixth" statistic is well documented? Sounds pretty amazing if true...

[Aunt Bean]

Went to an organic growers school over a month ago and brought home my first turmeric roots to try to grow....great class and hopefully this is something I can do research with here at Bean Acres.I take a turmeric capsule every day now and know it is a good thing for me. It will be wonderful to be able to grow my own crop of it ....

[moondaughter]

Originally Posted by MeAndPD

From this link (talking about Turmeric etc):
http://borderzine.com/2013/04/everyd...p-researchers/

"In the subcontinent of Asia and India it is difficult to find anyone with Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s disease, Narayan says. India’s incidence of Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s is one-sixth that of the United States. "

Anyone know if the "one-sixth" statistic is well documented? Sounds pretty amazing if true...

Perhaps this is a reflection on the eastern culture as a whole.

[Bob Dawson]

Diet? Culture? Life-style? Belief systems? Stress? Now, now, don't be silly. Everybody is all the same.
Still, 'ya gotta wonder about this, and wonder why the world does not seem to wonder.
Sure, there's rich countries and poor countries. But pick a few and compare - try Japan and U.S.A. for Alzheimers, for example. WTF?

Death rates per 100,000 people:

Parkinson’s, world-wide:
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/c...se/by-country/

Alzheimer’s and dementia:
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/c...ia/by-country/

Influenza and pneumonia:
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/c...ia/by-country/

road traffic accidents:
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/c...ts/by-country/

suicide:
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/c...de/by-country/

falling down;
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/c...ls/by-country/

life expectancy:
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/w...expectancy-map

[Bob Dawson]

I just noticed that if you move the mouse over any country on the map, it gives the name of the country and the death rate for that disease, without having to scroll through the list of countries.

If you compare the statistics for the U.S.A. and Europe and compare them to Japan and India... or many other countries... imagine the savings in heath-care costs if we could have their statistics! There is no Pharma drug anywhere that reduces any disease rate as much as being them instead of being us.

And, how much research is done in that direction? One Pharma newsletter now says it can take up to $1.5 Billion to launch a new Pharma drug.
Fortunes are spent to gain a marginal advantage over the placebo effect.

But nobody looks across the street and says, "Errrr, we got 10 times more of this disease than they got across the street. And they don't even try. Errrr, whassup, doc.?"

[Canna]

India's life expectancy is around 62 for men and 64 for women. People die before they get PD and then there is the diagnosis conundrum. Ethiopians have an even lower PD incidence but can expect to live 58 years. They would have to have a super high YOPD rate to catch up. Japanese have a high expectancy but terrible stomach cancer rates. PD is lower but more women get it than men where the opposite is true here, I believe. Why?

[Bob Dawson]

Originally Posted by Canna

India's life expectancy is around 62 for men and 64 for women. People die before they get PD and then there is the diagnosis conundrum. Ethiopians have an even lower PD incidence but can expect to live 58 years. They would have to have a super high YOPD rate to catch up. Japanese have a high expectancy but terrible stomach cancer rates. PD is lower but more women get it than men where the opposite is true here, I believe. Why?

OUR DATA: We use the most recent data from these primary sources: WHO, World Bank, UNESCO, CIA and individual country databases for global health and causes of death.
We use the CDC, NIH and individual state and county databases for verification and supplementation for USA data.
Parkinson Disease
Death Rate Per 100,000
Age Standardized
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They standardize to account for people dying too early to get “old peeple’s diseases” but I do not know what method they use. Also, note that low life expectancy is mostly infant mortality. If you get to 20 you live to 70…
I e-mailed them to ask.;.. no reply yet
Also not, some countries make it up/;./… North korea etc…

[Bob Dawson]

Originally Posted by Bob Dawson

Age Standardized[/B]
……………………………..
They standardize to account for people dying too early to get “old peeple’s diseases” but I do not know what method they use. Also, note that low life expectancy is mostly infant mortality. If you get to 20 you live to 70…
I e-mailed them to ask.;.. no reply yet
Also not, some countries make it up/;./… North korea etc…

Canna, I was stumbling around looking for words. You have correctly alerted us to always pay attention to the quality of statistics. Basically, "modern" industrialized wealthy societies collect statistics fanatically and with great accuracy. Americans, Canada, Europe, Aussies and Kiwi's, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Chile and others can be relied on to report their numbers in fantastic detail. China is fast improving their data collection; not easy to deal with because of the sheer quantity of numbers, with a population of 1.3 billion, and because of the old habit of local commissars fudging the numbers in their district to make it look like they are following the 5-year plan, which in fact they are going around. I don't know how accurate the stats are for India.
And in the jungles of the Congo, in the midst of a civil war, nobody is counting. Whoever estimated the suicide rate in Syria is braver than me. But some of the comparisons are startling, between countries that maintain the best stats - Japan, USA, Singapore, South Korea, New Zealand, U.K., Argentina, etc. And for India, even if their rate of Parkinson's is 2 or 3 times higher than they say...
To me, the world comparisons re-inforce this lingering suspicion I have that none of us know what we are talking about!!! Medical orgs and systems are local or national; and seem to have zero contact with each other, and we are left puzzled by survival rates that seem to depend, not on the treatment you get, as much as where you are.
It's another Alice in Wonderland wonder; that the biggest determining factor seems to be the one we ignore.

[Bob Dawson]

The site replied already! :

In a message dated 4/22/2013 12:52:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Bob Dawson writes:
"Age standardized" How do you do that for diseases of the elderly, such as Parkinsons (and in poor countries they die too young to get elders diseases ..?

TRLmedia replied at 4:30 a.m. EST:

That is the purpose of age standardization...it levels the "playing field." There are old people, young people, sick and healthy in all countries. There must be age standardization and population adjustments to make comparison possible. We do not make these Calculations...They are International Standards calculated by the World Health Organization. All countries use them...even US States use them.

(So we still don't know how they adjust the statistics; they are not the ones doing the calculations; we would have to find out the International Standards used by World Health Org., CIA, etc.
Is there a statitician in the house? How do you estimate old people's diseases (young onset -your turn will come!) if lots of people don't get old enough to be old? What are these international standards and does anybody think these are good stats, or "9 out of 10 dentists recommend Colgate" stats.

[backpacker11500]

[QUOTE=Bob Dawson;976867]Diet? Culture? Life-style? Belief systems? Stress? Now, now, don't be silly. Everybody is all the same.
Still, 'ya gotta wonder about this, and wonder why the world does not seem to wonder.
Sure, there's rich countries and poor countries. But pick a few and compare - try Japan and U.S.A. for Alzheimers, for example. WTF?



India and Se Asia like other low PD incident countries consume far less animal protein ie: meat than we do. Mitochondria canot keep up with western style meat diet and instead of sweeping the toxic by-products out of our system the excess toxins are being stored as Lewy Bodies in our brain. "A slightly starved biological system operates at its optimum and has the best longevity" Bio 101. India and SE Asia both are lacking in excessive food availability and meat/ dairy. Eat sparingly, never eat until your full, use meat as more of a condiment, treat or side dish. Additionaly western countries consume more dairy. Milk is for babies and growing kids etc. Past that, consumption of milk/cheese is flooding your system with high fat "baby food"....not intended for adults. Coupled with the data on pesticide use in intensive agriculture in areas like UK, Aus, US, and the amount of foods grown where the aquafer comes close to the surface (well water) like in US midwest, there is a trend toward PD incidence being higher in "Fat" Intensive AG industrialized countries. this also coincides with worldwide stats indicating that drinking well water increases your risk of PD by quite alot. We ar3e not all the same, we use different food growing techniques, plastic for everything, and intensive AG watered by subsurface water carrying expensive "rich country" persistent pesticides. Highest rate of PD in US is NE Nebraska where coincidentally everyone lives on beef and the Ogallala aquafer comes closest to the surface thereby more heavily contaminated with persistent pesticides etc.........my 2cents.

peace