Vicky, when somebody abandons the issue due to running out of evidence and instead attempts to falsely criticise the person they disagree with, then it can only be assumed to be a personal attack.

There have been some personal attack due to strong opinion on this thread. It's been removed.

Please keep responses to the orginal topic *without flaming another*.

If you have a personal issue with another member's comments on the thread, please send a PM.

Thanks!

KD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9MY0bbO0qw

Daffy, I don't know about Ethiopians, but I do know about gypsies, and let me tell you: they are the world's leaststressed out community!!! There's no way in the world a gypsy will get PD if the cause is stress. They follow no one's rules but their own, to the point that many do not send their kids to school, because they have to get up so early. I have a friend who's an elementary school teacher in a part of town with a large gypsy population and the average absentee rate is above 60%. At the beginning she tried to pick up the smaller kids at home and drive them to school herself, but she soon gave up when the mothers very politely and tenderly assured her that getting up at 8 o'clock was too soon for the little ones. You will find many playgrounds full of gypsy children during school hours, who run off when they see the Police approaching (school attendance is mandatory for everyone's children under 16). I'm not judging anybody, just telling it like it is, and having said this, I believe gypsies are right in their vital attitudes, only today's Society will cast out anyone who doesn't play by the rules. So, you either bend or break...only trouble is that you can also break from bending too much!

Follow no one's rules but their own. Don't like getting up early. Never stressed. Think that school's a waste of time.

I reckon I must have Gypsy ancestry.

and see them every day, (not Bulgarian gypsys I grant you).

They live in and around Evesham due to the high amount of agricultural work on offer.

Given the relationship between PD and pesticides, agricultural insecticides, etc, shouldn't gypsy PD incidence be high ?

Daffy, given your last comments re. gypsys, I hope you are not planning to get a new drive anytime soon.

Neil.

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Stress is relative...it's not what happens to us, but how we respond. There is clearly an element of individuality that plays a key role. The central questions in my mind are: who are we really? What is the meaning of life? I feel like I suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and life would have been a whole lot more do-able if I were made out of rubber! (the really hard Indian kind that those balls we had as kids were made of...they bounced like crazy!) ...well the girls had them anyway. I personally, am highly suspicious of the PD label. But not having had any other serious illness, I don't know that I wouldn't have the same suspicious attitude toward whatever dis-ease was upon me. "Like seeing through a glass darkly" ....love that phrase Paul uses to describe this life. Oh, I've used up my 2 cents...damn! I was just getting started!

When cortisal rises and genetic mutations can be found in the Parkin gene you bet we are affected by stress. Many of us probably respond by trying to control how we react to stress by not exposing it by losing our temper, but because we practice self control, cortisal levels do not fall and Parkin mutations do not disappear. call it what you want, but the stress does phsyciologically exist.

My two cents,
Vicky

I agree with Rosebud. It's not the stress - or any other contributing factor per se, but in how the individual responds to it. In Ayurveda, PD is considered a Vata disorder. My type is mainly Vata. There are lots of sites that provide little quizzes to determine your Dosha - type. And there are lots of other ways of classing bio-whatever types.

Whatever creates the huge unrelenting demand for dopamine in our bodies is the 'cause' of PD . After a while we can't keep up with the demand as it eventually exceeds our capacity to supply it....voila! symptoms! Physical trauma, emotional issues, stress of any & all kinds, illness, mean people, dirtry air, war, etc, ...

There are a lot of ways out there to help with all these things...and I am always on the lookout.

WE need a pd motel where we can meet and figure it all out and get some healing herapies while we're there. Really. There needs to be a PD Patient Healing Gathering Place.....

Sweet Dreams...Ibby