[Stitcher]

I thought it would be good to move this discussion into a thread of its own, since it is so common in the community.

Hope no one gets made a me for doing this, but it was buried into other discussions.

I may not be good at discussion, but I can research and share information

Ibken: what about frozen shoulder? did anyone listening in have that before pd set in?

Caya: I had frozen shoulder BAD 10 years before I became symptomatic and 12 before I was actually diagnosed. Also, I have developed scoliosis just prior to becoming symptomatic.........and it is getting progressively worse and very painful as time goes on. It is funny that you have brought these two things up. I asked the original neuro I went to about the shoulder and back issues and if they had any relation to PD and he said NO ! I am now under the care of an MDS but have not really discussed these with him. Believe I will next time I have an appointment with him. Thanks for your input here.

Vlhperry: Hi Caya & Ibkin, I have had a frozen left schoulder for 2 years. How do you treat it? The pain is excruciating. Heat, cold and exercise are useless. Help!!

Caya: I had frozen shoulder some years back before I was even dx with PD. After ruling out torn rotator cuff and several other things, they did major physical therapy. Took close to 8 months of this therapy to get it somewhat workable again and probably close to 2 years to get it really back to normal. Matter of fact, about twice a year even now, I get the feeling it is trying to get bad on me again at which point I get out the small rubber bands and pole and the exercize diagrams and start doing them all over again for a week or two and that then usually does it for a while. I was told inactivity makes frozen shoulder worse.

jeanb: I went through the same thing with a frozen shoulder a year before my dx. It was a mystery - mri showed nothing - then a year of painful physical therapy to 'fix' it.

[Stitcher]

From MayoClinic.com
Special to CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/DS/00416.html

Introduction
Frozen shoulder, also known as adhesive capsulitis, is a condition characterized by stiffness and pain in your shoulder joint. In one stage of the disorder — the freezing stage — your shoulder's range of motion is notably reduced. Frozen shoulder usually affects one shoulder at a time, although some people may eventually develop it in the opposite shoulder.
With treatments recommended by their doctors and through self-care efforts, most people eventually regain nearly full shoulder range of motion and strength as signs and symptoms improve.

Signs and symptoms
Frozen shoulder typically develops slowly, and in three stages. Each of these stages can last a number of months:

• Painful stage. During this stage, pain occurs with any movement of your shoulder.
• Frozen stage. Pain may begin to diminish during this stage. However, your shoulder becomes stiffer and your range of motion decreases notably. Avoid extreme movements that cause pain during this stage. But, you can and should continue normal use of your shoulder.
• Thawing stage. During the thawing stage, the condition may begin to improve. Although this healing process sometimes occurs on its own, you may need the help of a doctor.

For some people, the pain worsens at night, sometimes disrupting normal sleep patterns.

Causes
Doctors don't know the precise cause of frozen shoulder. It can occur after an injury to your shoulder or prolonged immobilization of your shoulder, such as after surgery or an arm fracture. People who have diabetes have a greater risk of frozen shoulder. For this reason, frozen shoulder may have an autoimmune component, meaning your immune system may begin to attack the healthy parts of your body — in this case, the supporting structures of your shoulder. People with other health conditions, including heart disease, lung disease and hyperthyroidism, also may have an increased risk of developing frozen shoulder.

Your shoulder is a ball-and-socket joint. The round end of your upper arm bone (humerus) fits into a shallow groove on your shoulder blade (scapula), much like a golf ball rests on a tee. Tough connective tissue, called the shoulder capsule, surrounds the joint and plays an important role in movement.

When frozen shoulder occurs, the shoulder capsule becomes inflamed and stiff. The inflammation may cause bands of tissue (adhesions) to develop between your joint's surfaces. Synovial fluid, which helps to keep your joint lubricated and moving smoothly, may also decrease. As a result, pain and subsequent loss of movement may occur. In some cases, mobility may decrease so much so that performing everyday activities — such as combing your hair, brushing your teeth or reaching for your wallet in your back pocket — is difficult or even impossible.

Risk factors
Although the exact cause is unknown, certain factors may increase your risk of getting frozen shoulder. These factors include:

• Age. People 40 and older are more likely to experience frozen shoulder.
• Diabetes. For unknown reasons, frozen shoulder is more common in people with diabetes.
• Immobility. People who have experienced prolonged immobility of their shoulder — perhaps due to trauma, overuse injuries or surgery — often experience frozen shoulder.
• Systemic diseases. People with systemic disease, such as an overactive thyroid (hyperthyroidism), underactive thyroid (hypothyroidism), cardiovascular disease, or Parkinson's disease, may experience frozen shoulder.

When to seek medical advice
If you experience significant pain combined with stiffness and restricted range of motion in your shoulder, you should see your doctor to determine if you have frozen shoulder.

Screening and diagnosis
The primary means of diagnosing frozen shoulder is a physical examination. During the exam, your doctor may test your active movement (movement without assistance) by asking you to raise and lower your arm to the front, sides and back of your body. Your doctor may also test your passive movement (movement with assistance) by manually moving your arm and shoulder to determine your range of motion. As well, he or she may press on parts of your shoulder to see what might cause pain. Loss of both active and passive movement and a pattern of generalized (diffuse) shoulder tightness and pain are strong indicators of frozen shoulder.

Obtaining an X-ray image of your shoulder joint allows your doctor to assess the bones of your shoulder. A magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scan of the shoulder isn't necessary to diagnose frozen shoulder, but your doctor may suggest an MRI scan to exclude other structural shoulder problems.

Treatment
Most treatments for frozen shoulder involve moving and stretching the shoulder muscles — just the opposite of what most people do when their shoulder begins to hurt and stiffen.

Your doctor may recommend you see a physical therapist. He or she can show you how to maintain as much mobility in your shoulder as possible, without stressing your shoulder to the point of causing a lot of pain. Continue to use the involved shoulder and extremity in as many daily life activities as possible within the limits of your pain and range of motion constraints.

Gently and gradually stretching your shoulder muscles may not completely alleviate the symptoms of frozen shoulder. However, it may help restore enough flexibility to enable you to resume your everyday activities.

Your doctor may also recommend these treatments:

• Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs). These medications may help relieve pain and inflammation associated with frozen shoulder. Acetaminophen (Tylenol, others) also may be effective for pain relief.
• Heat or cold. Applying heat or cold to your shoulder can help relieve pain.
• Corticosteroids. Injecting these anti-inflammatory hormones into your shoulder joint can help decrease pain during the initial painful phase. However, they do little to improve your shoulder's range of motion and repeated corticosteroid injections aren't recommended.
• Surgery. In a small number of cases, surgery is an option to remove scar tissue and adhesions from inside your shoulder joint. Doctors usually perform this surgery with a lighted, tubular instrument inserted through an incision in your joint (arthroscopically).
• Shoulder manipulation. In a few people, if severe stiffness persists, gently manipulating the shoulder during a general anesthetic may help to improve motion.
• Electrical stimulation. Transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation (TENS) is a treatment that can be used to help control your pain. In this procedure, a tiny electrical current is delivered to key points on a nerve pathway. The current, delivered through electrodes taped to your skin, isn't painful or harmful. It's not known exactly how TENS works, but it's thought that it might stimulate the release of pain-inhibiting molecules (endorphins) or block pain fibers that carry pain impulses.

Newer treatment options include injecting fluid into the shoulder joint to expand the shoulder capsule and break up adhesions. Doctors still need to assess the long-term results of this treatment.

Self-care
Maintaining as much range of motion as possible in your shoulder is important. Your physical therapist can show you how to move your shoulder joint through comfortable range of motion planes to avoid further stiffening.

Once pain has lessened, you may be able to tolerate more shoulder exercises. As you progress into the thawing phase, your physical therapist can advance your stretching and strengthening program to maximize your shoulder's range of motion and function.

Complementary and alternative medicine
Acupuncture has been used effectively in some people with frozen shoulder to provide pain relief. This medical treatment, originally developed in China, has been in use for more than 2,500 years.

It involves inserting extremely fine needles in your skin to stimulate specific points that allow the free flow of energy in your body. Depending on the problem being treated and the type of acupuncture, a practitioner may use a number of needles or just a few. Typically, the needles remain in place for 15 to 40 minutes. During that time they may be moved or manipulated. Because the needles are hair thin and flexible and are generally inserted superficially, most acupuncture treatments are relatively painless.
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The Pharmaceutical Journal Vol 264 No 7085 p333-337
February 26, 2000 Continuing education
Neurology

(1) Parkinson's disease: an overview
By David Burn, FRCP, MD

A series on neurology begins with the first of two articles on Parkinson's disease, a condition that is likely to increase in significance as the average age of the population rises. The second article covers treatment (PJ, March 25, pp476-479)

Is Parkinson's disease easy to diagnose?

From the brief description above of the clinical features of the disease, coupled with the pathological findings, one might be forgiven for thinking that PD is a highly distinctive clinicopathological entity that is easy to diagnose with confidence. In reality, this is certainly not the case - two main sources of error may be found.

The first is in the early stages of evolving PD when the signs may be subtle and the symptoms protean and misleading. Thus, an early presentation with a "frozen" shoulder is common, while an onset believed by the patient (or doctor) to be acute may suggest that a cerebrovascular event has occurred. Aching pain in a limb may also be an early, and easily misinterpreted, feature of PD.

The second source of error comes from other conditions that superficially resemble PD, through the presence of bradykinesia, tremor, or both.

[wendy s]

This is one topic I know a lot about, having both experienced it in both shoulders and treated a lot of patients with it.

The above information doesn't clarify that there are two separate kinds of frozen shoulder, which require very different treatment. One kind develops after injury - the person doesn't move their shoulder because it hurts and if you don't use it, you lose it, (movement, that is). The other is called idiopathic, meaning we don't know what causes it.

If someone comes in with the first kind, we go straight to work to get the movement and strength back with fairly strong (as tolerated) stretches, joint mobilization (sliding stretches done by the therapist), exercises, etc. It usually takes about 3-4 months of 2-3 visits a week and a lot of self exercise to get most of the movement back.

The idiopathic frozen shoulder doesn't respond to that kind of treatment until you're well into the thawing phase. If you try it in the first two phases, it's extremely painful and doesn't help. You just have to wait it out, control the pain and try to get enough sleep, and eventually, according to the textbooks, you'll recover. It may take 12 to 24 months to go through all phases, and I don't think the shoulder gets back good movement unless you really work at it in the thawing phase. It took me a year of regular therapy to get back about 90% of my movement. When my family dr. discovered that I'd gone through it, he was very upset that I hadn't taken large doses of anti-inflammatories and had a cortisone injection into my shoulders, but he couldn't provide me with any evidence that it would help at all. I'd done enough research to know that it wouldn't.

Two things that happened during my recovery made me wonder just what the heck was really going on. When I was pretty much over the pain with movement, but was still very limited in movement, I went back to my PT, and with one technique (a myofascial unwinding) I regained about 50% of my forward movement in one movement. And while I was at a Mulligan course, the instructor did a certain sliding stretch on my shoulder and I went from 45 - 180 degrees of sideways movement. I hadn't been able to move my shoulder much for about 6 or 7 months by then. If it was a true tightening of the capsule with adhesion formation, that shouldn't have been possible.

There are therapists of varying kinds who claim to be able to stop this from developing, but there doesn't seem to be any published evidence.

[Ibken]

for moving the thread and for the info.

And Wendy, I am really interested to hear your FS experience. I had an injury kind, about 25 years before the freeze up just prior to PD symptom onset. When I injured it - by falling off a horse (who also fell down!) - I landed on my L shoulder. It was extremely painful and I couldn't move it at all for a few days. I remember wearing the same shirt for awhile!
My tremor first showed up on the L side, after a period of about 6 months of watching my arm draw up and weaken...while I wondered what was happening. I got back into Yoga but it worsened. That was 8 years ago. Presently I'm bouncing from PT's and LMT's of many varieties, including myofascial release work. I'm off tomorrow for yet another technique and will report back when I can. I have been googling lots of therapies that address FS specifically. One guy claims to 'release' FS in one session.

I'm not saying that Frozen Shoulder "causes" PD but in my case it is implicated. When I took my sudden downturn T'giving I think caused by a minor slip/bump while exercising, overnight I experienced increased rigidity, tremor, gait probs - originating in my L shoulder. But I'm just now putting two and two together. Better late than never, I hope!

I'll be back in a few days. Onward with the research....!

Ibby

[Ibken]

My scoliosis is worsening, too. Structural collapse is one term for it. Vicki, join the google FS therapy force. There is a lot out there that seems promising.

As far as neuro's noticing or knowing or doing anything about it, forget it. They don't even know we have bodies, just dead brain cells. Which, BTW, I choose not to believe. They are just exhausted.

[Stitcher]

Wendy, thanks for reminding me of the appointment I have on Tuesday.

I know this isn't about shoulders, but if anyone lives in this region of Maryland or the SE corner of Pennsylvania they might be interested.

Dr. Shulman has referred me to The Parkinson's Disease and Movement Disorder Program (rehab therapy) at the Kernan Orthopaedics and Rehabilitation Program in Baltimore (part of Kernan Hospital)

I am going there on Tuesday so that they can begin help me to walk better, especially in the waring off parts of my 3-hours of meds. It will be interesting.

[paula_w]

I had shoulder pain in my right back shoulder blade for as long as I can remember - my 20's maybe. It got bad post PD diagnosis, and after Physical Therapy and the cortizone shot, I was scheduled for surgery. I didn't like my osteo whatver he was....the surgeon. Arrogant, blew off my questions, patronizing. When a doctor calls me young lady when I have at least ten years on him, I do a mental recoil.

This shoulder, however, was very useful in explaining the early PD symptoms when I wasn't out yet.

So I just didn't get the surgery, and it went away on its own. Now it's replaced with it's extremely evil variation - dystonia.

Carolyn, about me getting unlocked .....what is it about upside down that you don't like...lol.

paula

[girija]

I had shoulder tendanitis first, evolved into rotator cuff tear two years prior to PD. I had shoulder surgery 2 years ago to repair rotator cuff tears and that helped to ease my pain.


Seems like frozen shoulder and PD are linked. Any ideas as to how and why?

Girija

[Stitcher]

Paula...hummm...

It all depends on which end of the room I enter when you are upside down.

It's either or

to ya Paula

[Ibken]

Sounds like just the gut we need to see, ladies

http://www.orthomassage.net/published_articles

Ibby