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I was going through my badly neglected journal this afternoon and found something encouraging. There is a self-rating form called the UPDRS Rating Scale. It is a bit lengthy and you rate yourself in about 35 areas. Low numbers are good and the worst you can do is 128. Counting today I have filled it in 4 times in the last three years. The following are my unmedicated totals:

11/06/05 - 78
07/05/06 - 73
11/08/06 - 72
04/20/08 - 67

Those numbers should not be dropping by the standard way of thinking. Something is working, but I can only guess at what it is. Ginseng? MJFox are you out there?
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I was going through my badly neglected journal this afternoon and found something encouraging. There is a self-rating form called the UPDRS Rating Scale. It is a bit lengthy and you rate yourself in about 35 areas. Low numbers are good and the worst you can do is 128. Counting today I have filled it in 4 times in the last three years. The following are my unmedicated totals:

11/06/05 - 78
07/05/06 - 73
11/08/06 - 72
04/20/08 - 67

Those numbers should not be dropping by the standard way of thinking. Something is working, but I can only guess at what it is. Ginseng? MJFox are you out there?
The UPDRS rating is used in many clinical trials as well as by neurologists, they have a special assistant they call in to assess you using this rating scale. So you can do it yourself, but it is also widely used professionally as well as by researchers. Just google it and you'll find lots of trials measuring the success/failure by the UPDRS rating.

Congrats on the lowering of the score, that is awesome and I hope you keep getting a lower and lower score! Thank you for sharing your white rat experiments and progress reports.
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Interesting...Did you keep up with any changes in meds ,supplements,exercise,etc that might correspond to the improvement?
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Yes, I do have a good bit of data but need to put in some time getting it organized and cleaned up. I will try to do that soon and post it.

Medications have always been limited to Sinemet, Sinemet CR, Requip, and Selegeline. A plethora of supplements have come and gone. The ones that I currently judge to be worth keeping I list in my signature line.

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I was going through my badly neglected journal this afternoon and found something encouraging. There is a self-rating form called the UPDRS Rating Scale. It is a bit lengthy and you rate yourself in about 35 areas. Low numbers are good and the worst you can do is 128. Counting today I have filled it in 4 times in the last three years. The following are my unmedicated totals:

11/06/05 - 78
07/05/06 - 73
11/08/06 - 72
04/20/08 - 67

Those numbers should not be dropping by the standard way of thinking. Something is working, but I can only guess at what it is. Ginseng? MJFox are you out there?

Just out of curiosity (and if it's not too personal), in which parts of the scale are you showing improvement? Is it global or big improvements in a couple of areas?
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And that is particularly heartening. Elsewhere I posted on my test of ginseng over the last twelve months or so (a subset of the times noted above) and noted improvements in some specific areas that I attribute to that particular herbal, primarily because there weren't other contenders to muddy the waters. I had begun ginseng in hopes pof longerm gain and was surprised at the acute effects.But after several months I had to conclude definite improvements in bladder control and GI function (no more constipation). Neither of those lend itself to just being one's imagination

While the specifics get sloppy, I have to say that there has been overall improvement while reducing medication. And that is not supposed to happen.

I have a couple of theories. One is that the ginseng has stimulated neurogenesis. Another is that it has removed blockages that were preventing same. And quite possibly both.
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It would be interesting if you can tell us your UPDRS scores on medication.
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I am going to start by pasting in the first and last UPDRS that I did. Then I will move on to a second post so that it doesn't get too long-

The earliest one=

11/06/05:
The 31 items on the UPDRS are divided into 3 major categories. Each item
is scored from 0 to 4. 0 = No impact / 4 = Major Impact.
Scoring is Medicated/Unmedicated..

Mentation, Mood, and Behavior:
Intellectual impairment = 0/3
Thought disorder = 0/3
Depression = 0/0
Motivation/initiative = 0/2

Daily Living:
Speech = 0/2
Salivation = 0/0
Swallowing = 0/1
Handwriting = 0/1
Use of eating utensils = 0/2
Dressing = 0/3
Hygiene = 0/3
Turning in bed = 0/3
Falling = 0/3
Freezing while walking = 0/4
Walking = 0/3
Tremor = 0/2
Sensory complaints = 0/2

Motor Function:
Speech = 0/2
Facial expression = 0/3
Tremor at rest = 0/3
Action or postural tremor = 0/2
Rigidity = 0/3
Finger taps = 0/3
Hand movements = 0/3
Rapid alternating movements = 0/3
Foot agility = 0/3
Arising from chair = 0/3
Posture = 0/4
Gait = 0/4
Postural stability = 0/4
Body bradykinesia = 0/4
Totals = 0/78 of possible 124



The latest one=

UPDRS Rating Scale – Date: __4__/__20__/__08__

The 31 items on the UPDRS are divided into 3 major categories. Each item
is scored from 0 to 4. 0 = No impact / 4 = Major Impact.

Scoring is two numbers: Medicated/Unmedicated (i.e. At your best and at your worst)

Mentation, Mood, and Behavior:
Intellectual impairment =0/3
Thought disorder =0/3
Depression =0/1
Motivation/initiative =0/2

Daily Living:
Speech =0/1
Salivation =0/0
Swallowing =0/1
Handwriting =0/1
Use of eating utensils =0/3
Dressing =0/3
Hygiene =0/2
Turning in bed =0/1
Falling =0/3
Freezing while walking =0/2
Walking =0/2
Tremor =0/2
Sensory complaints =0/1

Motor Function:
Speech =0/1
Facial expression =0/2
Tremor at rest =0/2
Action or postural tremor =0/2
Rigidity =0/3
Finger taps =0/2
Hand movements =0/3
Rapid alternating movements =0/3
Foot agility =0/3
Arising from chair =0/3
Posture =0/3
Gait =0/3
Postural stability =0/3
Body bradykinesia =0/3

Totals = 0/67
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Currently (2011) taking 200/50 Sinemet CR 8 times a day + 10/100 Sinemet 3 times a day. Functional 90% of waking day but fragile. Failure at exercise but still trying. Constantly experimenting. Beta blocker and ACE inhibitor at present. Currently (01/2013) taking ldopa/carbadopa 200/50 CR six times a day + 10/100 form 3 times daily. Functional 90% of day. Update 04/2013: L/C 200/50 8x; Beta Blocker; ACE Inhib; Ginger; Turmeric; Creatine; Magnesium; Potassium. Doing well.
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In addition to the UPDRS, I use a simplified day tracker to record my subjective state from hour to hour. Since this is a much simpler form I have more of them. I am going to do first and last as before but add in one or two between.

9/12/05
Tracking scale (0 = Wheelchair/ 5 = Obvious to 3rd party / 10 = Ballet dancer}
Arising = 6
9 AM = 10
3 PM = 8
5 PM = 3
7 PM = 7
11 PM = 3
Turning in bed = 7
Hours of sleep 6 to 8
Avg times up to pee 2


12/15/05
Tracking scale (0 = Wheelchair/ 5 = Obvious to 3rd party / 10 = Ballet dancer}
Arising = 6
9 AM = 10
11 AM = 9
1 PM = 7
3 PM = 9
5 PM = 9
7 PM = 8
11 PM = 7
Turning in bed = 7
Hours of sleep 5 to 8
Avg times up to pee 2


3/19/06
Tracking scale (0 = Wheelchair/ 5 = Obvious to 3rd party / 10 = Ballet dancer}
Arising = 5
9 AM = 7
11 AM = 8
1 PM = 7
3 PM = 7
5 PM = 7
7 PM = 8
11 PM =
Turning in bed = 6
Hours of sleep = 10
Avg times up to pee = 4


7/05/06
Tracking scale (0 = Wheelchair/ 5 = Obvious to 3rd party / 10 = Ballet dancer}
Arising = 5
9 AM = 8
11 AM = 10
1 PM = 10
3 PM = 10
5 PM = 10
7 PM = 8
11 PM = 6
Turning in bed = 5
Hours of sleep = 7
Avg times up to pee = 2



11/08/06
Parkinson’s Tracking scale / Date:_11/_08/_06_

(0 = Wheelchair/ 5 = Obvious to 3rd party / 10 = Ballet dancer)

Arising = 4
9 AM = 6
11 AM = 10
1 PM = 10
3 PM = 10
5 PM = 10
7 PM = 9
11 PM = 3
Turning in bed = 6
Hours of sleep =7
Avg times up to bathroom = 3


12/31/06
Parkinson’s Tracking scale / Date:_12/31/06

(0 = Wheelchair/ 5 = Obvious to 3rd party / 10 = Ballet dancer)

Arising = 5
9 AM = 8
11 AM = 8
1 PM = 8
3 PM = 7
5 PM = 7
7 PM = 7
11 PM = 5
Turning in bed = 5
Hours of sleep =8
Avg times up to bathroom = 0


4/20/08

Parkinson’s Tracking scale / Date:_

(0 = Wheelchair/ 5 = Obvious to 3rd party / 10 = Ballet dancer)

Arising = 4
9 AM = 9
11 AM = 9
1 PM = 8
3 PM = 7
5 PM = 7
7 PM = 7
11 PM = 4
Turning in bed = 8
Hours of sleep =8
Avg times up to bathroom = 1


The changes aren't as dramatic but they are in the right direction. If one averages the first and last groups of hourly ratings, you get about six on the first and about seven on the last. Very subjective of course.

Finally, I will add some other data in one more post.
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I also record a couple of other easy bits of data.

One is simply the number of steps it takes to cover a hundred feet in a relaxed manner. Shortening of stride is considered a sign of deterioration so lower numbers are good, higher bad.

4/20/08----35 steps
10/23/07-----36 steps
1/10/07---------35 steps
11/25/06-------38 steps!!!

I definitely will look at that short period at the end of '06.

Finally, I also use a "balance on one foot" test as a measure of balance and leg strength and for testing new supplements.
4/20/08------on right foot 18 sec / on left 44 sec
2/20/07-----------rt 25 / lft 78
1/21/07-----------22 and 50
12/31/06---------18 and 43
12/19/06---------5 and 18!! Again the end of '06.

Now, at last, some useful data-
"12/19/06
Still doing better overall but not as good as at first. Have been skipping all supplements so that may be cause. Will restart today.
Adding A-lipoic acid; ALC; Carnosine; Fish oil; multi; green tea; ginger"

I remember that turnaround because it was so dramatic and also the first time I used the balance tactic. It was the combo of alpha lipoic acid, acetyl-L-carnitine, and L-carnosine and it happened over about a three day period.

"1/21/07

Baseline info: I am taking every two hours or so; Requip 4 mg (1X) and Sinemet CR 25/100 (1X) for a daily total of 28 mg Requip and 700 mg levodopa

In addition I take 5 mg Eldepryl with my first dose and sometimes a single Sinemet 10/100.

Supplements: Alpha Lipoic Acid; Acetyl-L-Carnitine; L-Carnosine; Green Tea Extract; going to drop Ginger since Turmeric duplicates; Fish Oil; Flax Oil; just started Creatine

I am doing moderately well and much better than I was last month. Sleeping 7 to 9 hrs; polyuria mostly gone and am up avg of two times per night (occasionally none); good bladder control in daytime for the most part. Turning in bed has improved noticeably."

Well, for what it is worht. It was interesting to compile the mess.
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