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04-10-2009, 09:04 PM | #1 | |||
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Or simply the immune system? Ran across this by accident at http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine...drome-15963-1/
Go there for the full bit as I am going to eviscerate the paragraph to keep the Info Police calm "... a new explanation for the epidemic of ...type 2 diabetes. Upon receipt of.... strong immune stimulants some individuals develop a hyperactive immune system ..... Other individuals produce increased cortisol, an immune suppressing hormone, to suppress the vaccine induced inflammation. The increased cortisol leads to type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome. " Liu, Hong, and Carvey argue that prenatal exposure to bacterial toxins (much like a vaccination) leads to a hyperactive immune response by the microglia which ultimately destroys the SN via inflammation. Dobbs et al have found elevated cortisol in PWP. Blood sugar problems are well established in PWP. Hangs together pretty well.
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Born in 1953, 1st symptoms and misdiagnosed as essential tremor in 1992. Dx with PD in 2000. Currently (2011) taking 200/50 Sinemet CR 8 times a day + 10/100 Sinemet 3 times a day. Functional 90% of waking day but fragile. Failure at exercise but still trying. Constantly experimenting. Beta blocker and ACE inhibitor at present. Currently (01/2013) taking ldopa/carbadopa 200/50 CR six times a day + 10/100 form 3 times daily. Functional 90% of day. Update 04/2013: L/C 200/50 8x; Beta Blocker; ACE Inhib; Ginger; Turmeric; Creatine; Magnesium; Potassium. Doing well. |
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04-11-2009, 07:43 AM | #2 | |||
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may be a re-posting, though unable to find it :
Can we reprogram the immune system? 28 January 2009 by Linda Geddes http://www.newscientist.com/article/...ne-system.html summary of 2 separate studies concerning immune cells which has direct implication for the use of vaccines (at least in vitro), and why they may result in dire effects. immune system more flexible than previously thought? T-helper (Th) cells "thought to be of 2 types: Th1 which sent viruses and bacteria from host cells and Th2 cells that fought parasites and bacteria in blood in other body fluids and also fought allergens." 2 new classes of cells were discovered: "regulatory T cells (T-regs) which attenuate the immune system response and Th17 cells that trigger inflammation and autoimmunity. Problem with this categorization was discovered when the T-regs behaved like Th1 cells when the T-regs cells were exposed to the molecules that normally result in a Th response. "(Immunity, COI:10:1016/j.immuni.2008.12.009)... Whoops-- In addition, study by Casey Weaver at Univ of Alabama showed that "Th17 cells can also morph into Th1-like cells" under certain conditions. Article concludes that "if Th1 cells are equally flexible vaccines may not work as they are intended, says Christopher Wilson of the Univ of Washington State in Seattle. For instance, if a vaccine against a virus triggers a Th1 response but the Th1 cells change their identity for some reason, 'the pathogen might yet subvert the protection induced by the vaccine,he says"... Occurs to me, if this happens in other than a petri dish, vaccines may result in immune responses in which the correct immune cell morphs into the wrong cell--causing inflammation or autoimmunity when none was wanted.......author cites the safety study in which 6 individuals in Northwick park hosp in london in March, 06, were given a drug that was to activate T-reg cells, but instead they were made seriously ill. author notes that "there may be serious implications for immunotherapy trials in which T-regs are injected into people with autoimmune disease to dampen their immune response"...Perhaps the T-regs morphed into Th17 causing an autoimmune response????
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04-11-2009, 07:49 AM | #3 | |||
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04-11-2009, 08:31 AM | #4 | |||
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FYI--
http://www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/55517/ Posted by Edyta Zielinska Researchers have identified a novel mechanism by which immune cells wiggle their way across the blood-brain barrier in diseases such as multiple sclerosis (MS). A type of T-cell involved in autoimmune disease leads the way, entering the brain and perhaps priming the blood-brain barrier's membrane to attract other immune cells -- opening the door for those cells to do their inflammatory damage, according to a study published online yesterday (Mar 22) in Nature Immunology.
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04-11-2009, 09:33 AM | #5 | ||
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I have always suspected a link between vaccines and PD (among others...) and posted here before about the book "The Vaccine Safety Manual" which I found both riveting and horrifying.
I recently read that in Iran, they are so adamant about vaccines that if a mother does not bring her baby in for the scheduled vaccine, they go and TAKE it for its vaccine! Not commenting on their policy (but can you imagine?), but I do think it will be incredibly interesting to compare their rates of MS, PD, ALS, Alzheimer's, diabetes, etc. now to decades down the road. Like many here have said, we are the most vaccinated country on earth, with supposedly the best health care (not health care system, note), but the sickest. I am so paranoid now that unless someone in my family has a bone sticking out of their body, we will not be going to the doc! |
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04-11-2009, 10:48 AM | #6 | |||
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"There are only four times in recorded history that the death rate actually fell. The first was in highly technologically developed Israel in 1973. During a one-month physicians' strike, the national death-rate reached the lowest rate ever. According to statistics by the Jerusalem Burial Society, the number of funerals dropped by almost half. The same thing happepned again in 1976 in Bogota, the capital city of Colombia. There, the doctors went on strike for 52 days. The death rate fell by 35% (National Catholic Reporter and confirmed by the National Morticians Association of Colombia)." http://www.ryze.com/posttopic.php?to...82&confid=2821
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Born in 1953, 1st symptoms and misdiagnosed as essential tremor in 1992. Dx with PD in 2000. Currently (2011) taking 200/50 Sinemet CR 8 times a day + 10/100 Sinemet 3 times a day. Functional 90% of waking day but fragile. Failure at exercise but still trying. Constantly experimenting. Beta blocker and ACE inhibitor at present. Currently (01/2013) taking ldopa/carbadopa 200/50 CR six times a day + 10/100 form 3 times daily. Functional 90% of day. Update 04/2013: L/C 200/50 8x; Beta Blocker; ACE Inhib; Ginger; Turmeric; Creatine; Magnesium; Potassium. Doing well. |
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04-11-2009, 04:10 PM | #7 | ||
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Rick, that's about the scariest thing I think I have ever read, and that's saying a lot, since I read just this morning that Obama's plan is now close to 4 trillion, as much as the plan from the guy from Florida who proposed giving all 50+ workers a million bucks with stipulations, the article you posted last week or so.
As my dad once said "Don't ever get stuck going to the hospital...people die there." So true. |
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