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09-10-2009, 09:24 AM | #11 | ||
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http://www.i-sis.org.uk/HPV_Vaccine_Controversy.php In the end, it is up to you.
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"Thanks for this!" says: | lynxgal (09-11-2009) |
09-10-2009, 11:51 AM | #12 | |||
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I think I would be very nervous to get a flu shot and any vaccines in general, but that's just me. For years I started having a reaction every time I got a tetanus shot. Then the last time I got it, I had a violent reaction. I got a fever that soared over 104 and I started shaking and vomiting uncontrollably. My husband got me to the ER quick. Even if I didn't have any reaction to other vaccines, it's left me nervous about it. No more tetanus shots for me now, I am apparently severely allergic to what ever is in them. This happened back in 1998...
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09-10-2009, 04:31 PM | #13 | ||
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Here's a link to the content of this years seasonal flu vaccine. From what I can tell, it contains the viruses from the last two vaccine...2007 & 2008 years and nothing new for this season. Is my interpretation correct and does it mean that if you got the flu and/or the vaccine in 2008, then you would not need it again?
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVac.../ucm162050.htm Marlene |
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09-10-2009, 05:04 PM | #14 | ||
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From what I've read and seen on the news, they are still testing the vaccine for the H1N1 flu and trying to decide if one or two shots are needed. They do say that you should get your regular (seasonal) flu shot and then the vaccination for the H1N1 flu when it becomes available later on.
http://news.health.com/2009/07/20/fd...ine-2009-2010/ I also heard on the national news that if you have had a type of flu already, you probably had the H1N1 flu. If so, then I would guess you wouldn't need any vaccine for it. They keep saying that it's not a bad flu for most people. Younger people yes, as they haven't built up immunities like older people have. I believe I have this right. You would need the regular flu vaccine for this year as well. I won't be getting any vaccines. I just heard on the news that H1N1 flu vaccine trials have ended in Australia, I believe, and they have found that one shot should be effective for adults.
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09-10-2009, 06:22 PM | #15 | ||
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AND I am of two minds...One in that I had had a 'flu' shot the first year of my neuropathy.... I am not sure if it was a 'live' or 'dead' virus but...I six years later? Have one heck of a 'knot' on my arm at the injection site...AND I Was Super sore at the site for two months afterwards.
NOW as for last year? I literally GRILLED my docs about whether to get the shots or not! I don't think any were 'thrilled' with such questioning? BUT, Heck! I don't know about anyone else here, but, I'm re-learning to walk from a fall in early summer, and I SHORE do not WANT any kind of relapse here? DUH? Now, what I gathered from all my research? And I must qualify it all as I am ON monthly IVIG...is that I can take a 'dead virus' innoculation, but not a 'live virus' one such as flu-mist. ... This all is 'unknown' vis a vis the H1N1 shots. ....I had been keeping up to date about the progress of this stuff until I'd had my fall. Rite now? I'm more concerned in re-learning to walk and get about w/o aids other than a cane for the long term future.... So HOnestly? I'm not sure if it's a 'live or dead' virus shot now! So far, my neuro is saying DO IT! As for it being in a 'thirmerisol' agent? So...What More can I get? And, if I Do? Could I prove it. I'm certainly NOT gonna get ADHD more than I already have at my age. [Over 50] I quake internally at making a decision? Last year, my not making a decision WAS a decision [BUT many 'flu' vaccines WERE Black boxed for immune sensitives. They no longer are as of about Feb of this year] YOU all have to watch, read, learn and decide for yourselves. It is really a danged if'n ya do? OR don't Situation! But, Heaven help us all, if we don't AND get it? WHO do we blame? No one but ourselves. Let's all go live in caves somewhere! - j |
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"Thanks for this!" says: | Kitt (09-10-2009) |
09-10-2009, 09:15 PM | #16 | |||
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My docs are not in agreement on the vaccines.
I never had a flu vaccine until I worked in the medical field and was forced to - still got the flu one of those years big time. I never got anything as a kid except the flu every couple of years (not even a cold) - never even had anti-biotics until my late 20's and had a very bad reaction to them - and measles, mumps, and chicken pox.... survived the swine flu and hong kong flu (1969 and 75 I think?), was pretty sick but they did pack a punch. Did continue to get flu shots after leaving medical field until started getting IVIG few years ago and they told me not to get live vaccine, didnt bother at all and got sick a couple years back with a respiratory infection (no more IVIG, it was a waste for me). My biggest challenges are my PN and gastroparesis, which has resulted in malnutrition and very physical decline, so am thinking about getting shots this year. However, being so underweight and sick now, it worries me that it will just make me sicker. (I have an extremely healthy friend who has a bad case of lupus triggered by the only flu shot she ever had - permanently disabled from it)..... Mrs D or? if someone is already really immune compromised and with malnutrition, how can potentially exposing yourself vaccines be helpful? I went into shock and got really sick just from pnuemonia shot. |
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09-11-2009, 03:02 AM | #17 | |||
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Low zinc status and low protein intake will make it difficult to even make antibodies to the vaccines.
I don't know how to answer your question, kmeb. It is going to be a personal choice in the end. What will work for one person, may not for another. I had the Asian flu in college. Very high fever, etc. but not much else happened. Hubby had the Hong Kong flu after Vietnam, and was very sick. He was not in great shape after that war when he returned home. But since the early 70's neither of us has been seriously ill. I've had bronchitis a few times, and a bronchopneumonia, because I used to be exposed to sick people all day long. All in all I don't get sick that often. I really wonder at this problem, since the media is saying that nurses are refusing this vaccine (approx 1/3 of them say no). I think our faith in vaccines has taken a serious hit, in the past 10 yrs or so.
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09-11-2009, 07:26 AM | #18 | |||
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This is rather disturbing:
http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=24869 Check out the last paragraph. I found this by searching "flu vaccine recall" on Google. I cannot vouch for that site, but it is provocative! Here is a confirming link: http://bimchat.wordpress.com/2009/03...-18-countries/ I personally know of 2 recalls... One was Parke Davis who made most of their vaccine which was inert except for the adjuvants. That was late 90's or early 2000. And a company in Europe about 3 yrs ago had a huge recall. Improper storage. Improper shaking of multidose vials, inert ingredients, and even contamination? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...102001448.html http://www.emaxhealth.com/90/19013.html http://www.newsrx.com/newsletters/TB...9223333TW.html None of this inspires confidence in the vaccine industry for me. LymeRx failure was a good example of poor design sloppy advertising, etc. The lawsuits are still going on this one: http://lyme.org/vaccine/3yrsrteslong.html So thiomersal and squalene reactions are only part of the risk of vaccines today.
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09-11-2009, 08:00 AM | #19 | ||
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Dahlek
Here's link on the various types of seasonal flu vaccines out there so in case you decide to do it, maybe you can request a specific brand. http://www.askdrsears.com/thevaccinebook/ |
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09-11-2009, 08:23 AM | #20 | |||
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So they are using the old virus strains AGAIN?
And why would flu vaccine only confer one year when other vaccines last a LONG TIME? I recall the controversy about whether the H1N1 would be ready in time. And at that time this early summer they said no other flu vaccines would be made...all efforts would go to H1N1. Guess the $$$ incentive has changed that scenario. I'll share this with you. Even PETS have vaccine problems. Inactive vials (The late Mr. Roger Caras who had a rescue had many cats die after inactive feline vaccines one year---it is in his book). Cats get soft tissue sarcomas (cancer) when injected in the hump of their neck. And now we have feline distemper causing chronic kidney failure in cats. Maybe next year there will be a NEW revelation for our furry friends as well.
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