Alcohol induced neuropathy

Wide-O · 02-16-2015, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by newstown

That doesn't hurt, wanna, at least i don't see how it could. Thats a fairly standard test.

I wonder if we are all talking about the same tests. I had it done 3 times (to measure progress if any), and while it didn't really hurt badly - compared to the PN itself - it did involve sticking needles into my leg. Second time there was even a little bit of blood, which is how I know it was needles and not just a sensor. I'm assuming he was trying to get as close to the nerve as possible and then measure the conductivity lower in the feet.

That said, I'm not convinced an EMG changes much to the diagnose. In my case the larger nerves (sural) were damaged, so he could easily measure it, but in some cases when it's just the small fibres an EMG will not necessarily pick it up (if at all).

In any case, it will not make the cause (or causes) any clearer. But if alcohol was ever involved, it's a fair bet that it's the cause or part of the cause.

Wide-O · 02-17-2015, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Icehouse

1279 days sober.

No pain. Minor discomfort here and there. Nothing real exciting.

Well, had to wait until today then: 979 days sober.

For some reason I'm still lagging behind, no matter how hard I try!

It's not fair.

Icehouse · 02-17-2015, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Wide-O

For some reason I'm still lagging behind, no matter how hard I try!

It's not fair.

Maybe you are not trying hard enough!!

Feels good, right?

Bobby78 · 02-27-2015, 10:41 PM

Could someone elaborate, wiki version? I've read this thread and vitamin thread as well. Confused a little, sorry.
Should you take Benfotiamine AND a B-complex AND B-12?

Currently taking - Krill oil, Mutli-vitamin, and diet improvements with juicing. Would like to maximize with adding:
Benfotiamine
R-lipoic acid or alpha lipoic (maybe)
Vit D supplement

Thanks!

mrsD · 02-28-2015, 08:46 AM

Yes, I would do both. The multivitamin has trace nutrients in it that you need. But using both forms of thiamin is safe. Not to worry.

newstown · 03-01-2015, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Wide-O

I wonder if we are all talking about the same tests. I had it done 3 times (to measure progress if any), and while it didn't really hurt badly - compared to the PN itself - it did involve sticking needles into my leg. Second time there was even a little bit of blood, which is how I know it was needles and not just a sensor. I'm assuming he was trying to get as close to the nerve as possible and then measure the conductivity lower in the feet.

That said, I'm not convinced an EMG changes much to the diagnose. In my case the larger nerves (sural) were damaged, so he could easily measure it, but in some cases when it's just the small fibres an EMG will not necessarily pick it up (if at all).

In any case, it will not make the cause (or causes) any clearer. But if alcohol was ever involved, it's a fair bet that it's the cause or part of the cause.

Perhaps I did get stuck with needles, wide o, kinda bugs me that I can't remember exactly, but I had the EMG and the nerve conduction tests, got the concise little 2 page report around here somewhere. In any event, personally I didn't find it at all unpleasant. I was probably so preoccupied with what the results might be that I wasn't paying much attention.

Icehouse · 03-02-2015, 07:35 AM

1307 days sober

For those in the recovery process via "meetings" there is something known as "making amends". I am still doing that.

I finished another letter last night that I plan on sending today (but I have been writing this letter for over a year) and this will almost complete this portion of my life.

Regret, shame and selfishness consume a majority of alcoholics and this has been the hardest part in my journey upwards. But, for me, it is a process that I must complete to be, well, complete.

I saw a post on FB the other day that said something about "green" fruits helping with nerve issues. Any truth to this?

newstown · 03-03-2015, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Icehouse

1307 days sober

For those in the recovery process via "meetings" there is something known as "making amends". I am still doing that.

I finished another letter last night that I plan on sending today (but I have been writing this letter for over a year) and this will almost complete this portion of my life.

Regret, shame and selfishness consume a majority of alcoholics and this has been the hardest part in my journey upwards. But, for me, it is a process that I must complete to be, well, complete.

I saw a post on FB the other day that said something about "green" fruits helping with nerve issues. Any truth to this?

I have never seen anything about green fruits and nerve tissue, Icehouse, but then that doesn't mean much. Don't see it in a Medline search either.

I have a question too: Can Tramadol tapering and cessation aggravate PN symptoms? I have a long standing script for the stuff and use it as necessary, which I keep at a minimum because I dont like the moodiness of it all. I have back and knee pain problems and sometimes the over the counter stuff just doesn't cut it. I weaned myself off over few weeks and am on day 5 of no intake, but my PN is off the dial. I did feel a little better today so I resumed a VERY light workout. 20 minutes of very light bike riding at the gym. I have muscle twitch and all sorts of unpleasantness. Any thoughts from Mrs. D or anyone else? Many thanks!!

mrsD · 03-03-2015, 07:17 PM

Tramadol works on both serotonin receptors and mu opiate ones.

It can take a while to taper off and resettle the neurotransmitters.

Tramadol has a more specific action on nerve pain, too, according to some experts.

You might try the magnesium lotion on your legs to help with your exercise:

http://www.amazon.com/Morton-Epsom-L...n+Epsom+lotion

Also at local WalMarts and some Walgreen's but not at all stores.
Use about a quarter's diameter divided between both legs. Do the fronts and calves below the knee and include the ankles.
The magnesium helps with pain by blocking the NMDA pain receptors. Apply once a day (at night is a good time)
and rub it in well, so the magnesium gets absorbed.

WannaGetFeelingBack · 03-03-2015, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by newstown

I know....What?? yep, I added this little number to my mix of supplements I take in my effort to go where no man has gone before, maybe, in trying to heal PN...I found them at Swansons, at a seemingly decent price. Just FYI....

"Int J Med Mushrooms. 2012;14(5):427-46.
Neuroregenerative potential of lion's mane mushroom, Hericium erinaceus (Bull.: Fr.) Pers. (higher Basidiomycetes), in the treatment of peripheral nerve injury (review).
Wong KH1, Naidu M, David RP, Bakar R, Sabaratnam V.
Author information
Abstract
We present a model case study of the activity of aqueous extract of Hericium erinaceus fresh fruit bodies in promoting functional recovery following crush injury to the peroneal nerve in adult female Sprague-Dawley rats. The aim was to explore the possible use of this mushroom in nerve repair. The activities of aqueous extract were compared to activities exhibited by mecobalamin (vitamin B12), which has been widely used in the treatment of peripheral nerve disorders. Analysis of walking track indicated that return of hind limb function and normal toe spreading occurred earlier in treated groups than in the negative control (non-treated) group. Regeneration of axons and reinnervation of motor endplates/neuromuscular junction in extensor digitorum longus muscle of rats in treated groups developed better than in the negative control group. Further, immunofluorescence studies also showed that dorsal root ganglia neurons ipsilateral to the crush injury in rats of treated groups expressed higher immunoreactivities for Akt and MAPK signaling pathways as well as c-Jun and c-Fos genes compared to the negative control group. Akt cascade plays a major role in mediating neurotrophin-promoted cell survival, while MAPK cascade is involved in mediating neurite outgrowth. Immediate early gene expression was also involved in the cascade of events leading to regeneration. Local axonal protein synthetic machinery was also enhanced in the distal segments of crushed nerves in treated groups. Therefore, daily oral administration of H. erinaceus could promote the regeneration of injured rat peroneal nerve in the early stage of recovery.
PMID: 23510212 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"

Hey, Newstown, I was reading your recent posts and thought of the lion's mane mushroom post you made a couple months ago. Has it helped at all? Any side effects?

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